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I think that's exaggerating it a bit.
You need to read her posts from a few years back.

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Jan 16, 2010, 05:53 PM
 
Apple hire people based on their personality. What you look like is pretty much irrelevant.
     
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Jan 16, 2010, 05:58 PM
 
Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Could you actually live with yourself shilling for Apple and giving company lines instead of what you believe to be true? What happens if someone asks you if OS X is the best OS? What happens if someone asks you if the iMac is a good hardware buy? You feel okay lying?
Just because you may not think an iMac is for you does not make that machine a "bad buy." I like mine because it does what I want and I could afford it. I'd get another in a heartbeat-for what I do, not for what YOU do. Good sales people don't lie. They may direct the discussion toward their products, but any time a sales person lies, they risk losing a sale because of it, and the good ones know it. What is "true" about things like "the best OS" and "is this a good buy" is very much dependent on the situation and the customer. Many times a customer is there only to pick up what he/she's already decided on, but other times a customer may have entirely wrong ideas about the products he/she's looking at; a good sales person can educate the misinformed person without sounding condescending or browbeating.

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Jan 16, 2010, 05:59 PM
 
Originally Posted by dedalus View Post
Apple hire people based on their personality. What you look like is pretty much irrelevant.
Once hired, yes. But shif is talking about a group interview. Standing out (just enough) is a good thing in that situation. "Clone, clone, clone, real person!!, clone, clone, clone..." That real person gets noticed, remembered, and if they don't screw up, probably hired.

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Jan 16, 2010, 06:00 PM
 
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You need to read her posts from a few years back.
Maybe she has changed ?

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Jan 16, 2010, 06:03 PM
 
When I worked retail, there were several times when I directed a customer to the competition when I knew that a competing product would better suit the customers needs. Quite often, those customers would come back later and spend even more money at our store because they trusted us to tell them the truth.
     
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Jan 16, 2010, 06:09 PM
 
Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
Quite often, the best sales people are the ones who are aware of their product's weaknesses. When I was working on product education programs for the auto industry, several of the companies wanted a lot of the focus to be on informing sales people about where competing products were superior.

I'm more than likely to buy from a sales person who says "yeah, Windows is good at X, but Mac is better at Y" than from someone who says "Windows sucks, buy Mac!". The first sales person sounds more honest and informed to me.
Also, having a worldview that isn't completely black-and-white is a sign of intelligence in general.

I, for one, think that shifuimam would be a great Apple tech. Heck, she already takes apart and reconfigures iBooks on her own time. I love many of Apple's products, but these types of people that are always "Apple rules, anyone who ever competes with Apple on anything automatically sucks" make me throw up in my mouth a bit, and I'm not sure I'd want someone like that working on my computer if I had to bring it in. Just IMO.

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Jan 16, 2010, 06:22 PM
 
Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
Once hired, yes. But shif is talking about a group interview. Standing out (just enough) is a good thing in that situation. "Clone, clone, clone, real person!!, clone, clone, clone..." That real person gets noticed, remembered, and if they don't screw up, probably hired.
That's pretty much my biggest concern here. From what my Vancouver friend told me, they basically put you all in a room and run you through various group and role-playing activities in order to weed out the "trainwreck" types who look good on paper but couldn't possibly function in a people-heavy sales and end-user customer service environment.

It seems like you want to stand out just enough in these interviews so that you leave an impression without making them wonder if maybe you'd be better off in a padded room somewhere away from the normal people.

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Also, having a worldview that isn't completely black-and-white is a sign of intelligence in general.

I, for one, think that shifuimam would be a great Apple tech. Heck, she already takes apart and reconfigures iBooks on her own time. I love many of Apple's products, but these types of people that are always "Apple rules, anyone who ever competes with Apple on anything automatically sucks" make me throw up in my mouth a bit, and I'm not sure I'd want someone like that working on my computer if I had to bring it in. Just IMO.
Heh, thanks for the vote of confidence. I'm actually pretty excited at the prospect of getting to work with computer hardware all day. It beats sitting at a desk doing web development for nine hours a day.

I'm also a ninja at upselling products. I managed to score a nearly $1,000 sale when I worked at Starbucks, and the customers were just visiting Indianapolis for the holidays. I set them up with our incredibly overpriced automatic espresso machine, a bunch of coffee, and all the accessories to get them started.
     
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Jan 16, 2010, 06:37 PM
 
You don’t want to ‘upsell’ Apple products. The nice thing about Apple Stores is that the customer does not get the ‘hard sale’ treatment. You’re just supposed to be pleasant, knowledgeable and there for the customers when they need you, otherwise just let them play around, that’s the whole point.
     
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Jan 16, 2010, 06:41 PM
 
Oh, they work the upsell on AppleCare.
     
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Jan 16, 2010, 06:48 PM
 
And apparently the "creative personnel" are to upsell their software, like Aperture and iWork.

By upsell I don't mean "force the product on the person". I mean "jovially show them how awesome the product is".

Shocking as I'm sure it will be to most of you, I am extremely personable to customers. I know how much I appreciate good customer service, so I try to do the same when the roles are reversed.
     
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Jan 16, 2010, 07:08 PM
 
Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
Playing the game in corporate America is easy. You say what it takes to make the job, even if you don't believe in the words that are coming out of your mouth.
LOL WUT allcaps

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Maybe you just shouldn't lie in job interviews...or ever...
     
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Jan 16, 2010, 07:09 PM
 
Well, you did brag about setting up customers with ‘incredibly overpriced’ merch, that’s not exactly the sort of ‘skill’ I would be looking for if I ran an Apple Store, to be honest.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
I've only ever heard Shif defend Windows a little bit and criticize certain aspects of OS X/Apple, but I don't see how this can be construed into opinions about OS X not being the "best OS", or the iMac not being good hardware.
LOL WUT

More importantly, she didn't ask for advice in this area. For some reason on the internets people seem to have this Judge Judy reflex where they feel like they need to straighten everybody out by weighing in on everything and anything, no matter what, and often in a pretty hostile manner.
How very Judge Judy of you.
     
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Jan 16, 2010, 07:20 PM
 
Obviously I don't know you, and people can be different from their online personas, but I don't think you would like working at an Apple store for long. I've had a few friends that worked at the Fair Oaks and Tysons stores in VA, and their experiences were pretty miserable. There was SERIOUS pressure for Apple Care and mobile me attach rates- regardless of customer desire. From their reports, there were employees who enjoyed it and thrived, and there were employees that wanted to do right by the customer rather than hit a target. They believed they were being asked to sell in a way that was borderline unethical by people they did not agree with on many levels.

You seem like the kind of person who would bristle and being told to do something you thought was either wrong or just stupid. Which is a good thing. I think Apple is a good company that has good products, but at the end of the day, the stores are electronics retail which is about as unpleasant as it gets.

They talk a good game in the interviews- but be careful. Someone with your brains and drive should be able to do better.

There is (or was) a place in Chantilly called MacHeaven that used to do a lot of corporate work and not so much of the retail bullsh1t. I'm not sure if that's too far for you (can't remember where in NoVa you ended up) but you might try them. The owner was a real good guy named George something. Look them up. I'll try and remember some other places along those lines that may need good techs- Apple or otherwise.

I don't agree with a lot of your views, but you seem too clever and too principled for retail.
     
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I thought this was the accepted norm



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it's showing you how Apple can fire you on a moment's notice based on what you've written on the internet.
I think you give the internet way too much credit.
     
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/ignoring the cacophony

GOOD LUCK, Shif.

I hope it goes well for you, and that if you decide you want the job, you get it. Keep us posted! Oh -- and when is the interview, anyway?
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Originally Posted by dedalus View Post
You don’t want to ‘upsell’ Apple products. The nice thing about Apple Stores is that the customer does not get the ‘hard sale’ treatment. You’re just supposed to be pleasant, knowledgeable and there for the customers when they need you, otherwise just let them play around, that’s the whole point.
Apple is ALL about the upsell. every product is incredibly well differentiated and priced so that the slightly better graphics card, or the fire wire interface, or whatever always happens to be on the next machine up which is only a few $$ extra (for a given definition of few)
     
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Originally Posted by Paco500 View Post
There is (or was) a place in Chantilly called MacHeaven that used to do a lot of corporate work and not so much of the retail bullsh1t. I'm not sure if that's too far for you (can't remember where in NoVa you ended up) but you might try them. The owner was a real good guy named George something. Look them up. I'll try and remember some other places along those lines that may need good techs- Apple or otherwise.

I don't agree with a lot of your views, but you seem too clever and too principled for retail.
If I remember correctly from her "I'm moving to DC" thread, I think she is in Alexandria, maybe the Landmark area on Little River Turnpike.

As for MacHeaven, we used them a couple times at my previous employer and they were just OK. (Although, we were hiring them to do work onsite and I think they were more of a work-in-the-shop kinda place.)

Another company that we had good luck with is called MacMedics. They are out near Baltimore (410 area code) and offered both on-demand and contracted service agreements. And they always came to you, which was nice.

Shif could easily work for MacMedics as a DC-area tech and do lots of computer fix-it stuff without having to be in sales or be a corporate tool for Apple.
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I think you give the internet way too much credit.
Ask Ca$h how easy it is to be tracked down for something you say on the internet.


As for what you say in your private life being used against you in your professional life: It happens ALL the time. Whether it involves an inappropriate posting on Facebook or Twitter or supposedly anonymous postings to a message board employers can and do keep tabs on their employees to make sure they stay "on message" and don't bring any unwanted attention to the company/brand. And, unless the employer hires someone to get non-public information on you, everything the employer does in this regard is completely legal as social networking sites and the intarweb in general are deemed public "spaces" from a legal rights perspective.
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Originally Posted by Paco500 View Post
Obviously I don't know you, and people can be different from their online personas, but I don't think you would like working at an Apple store for long. I've had a few friends that worked at the Fair Oaks and Tysons stores in VA, and their experiences were pretty miserable. There was SERIOUS pressure for Apple Care and mobile me attach rates- regardless of customer desire. From their reports, there were employees who enjoyed it and thrived, and there were employees that wanted to do right by the customer rather than hit a target. They believed they were being asked to sell in a way that was borderline unethical by people they did not agree with on many levels.

You seem like the kind of person who would bristle and being told to do something you thought was either wrong or just stupid. Which is a good thing. I think Apple is a good company that has good products, but at the end of the day, the stores are electronics retail which is about as unpleasant as it gets.

They talk a good game in the interviews- but be careful. Someone with your brains and drive should be able to do better.

There is (or was) a place in Chantilly called MacHeaven that used to do a lot of corporate work and not so much of the retail bullsh1t. I'm not sure if that's too far for you (can't remember where in NoVa you ended up) but you might try them. The owner was a real good guy named George something. Look them up. I'll try and remember some other places along those lines that may need good techs- Apple or otherwise.

I don't agree with a lot of your views, but you seem too clever and too principled for retail.
That really depends on the store. Some stores are as pushy as auto salesmen, but stores like mine don't care at all. I've watched people buy new Macs and the specialist never even mentions AppleCare or MobileMe. In fact, the only time I've seen a specialist make the "discount with new Mac" offer for MobileMe was when a customer bought a new MacBook Pro and iPhone and asked about having the same email on both. In the end he told her to get Gmail.

That being said, it's a lot easier for hardcore Apple fans to find a niche in third-party retailers. You sort of have to dumb yourself down to work in the Apple Store. For someone like me, that's fine. But it's not for everyone. And again, a lot of the experience depends on the staff and management of that store. My local store still has most of the original employees who came down from Denver to start the Colorado Springs store. They're very knowledgeable people who have been in the Apple Retail business for quite a while (some have been there for 5 years or more, which is a lot in retail). If you can find your niche, I think you'll really enjoy yourself. If you can't, you won't have much fun.
     
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Don't you think you should be a bigger fan of OS X than Windows if you plan to work at an Apple Store? I agree with starman.

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Don't you think you should be a bigger fan of OS X than Windows if you plan to work at an Apple Store? I agree with starman.
Not at all. I think you should know the selling points of OSX, understand the OS inside and out and be able to understand customer needs, but a good sales person doesn't need to be drinking the koolaid.
     
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Originally Posted by Paco500 View Post
You seem like the kind of person who would bristle and being told to do something you thought was either wrong or just stupid. Which is a good thing. I think Apple is a good company that has good products, but at the end of the day, the stores are electronics retail which is about as unpleasant as it gets.

They talk a good game in the interviews- but be careful. Someone with your brains and drive should be able to do better.
I'm also looking for work elsewhere in the area (mostly contracting firms like Lockheed-Martin), but it could be months before I hear back on any of that stuff. I desperately need a job at this point; the cost of living in this area is bleeding my savings account dry. Boyfriend and I have put together a reasonable budget and are resolving to sticking to it, but the last few months have been extremely financially strenuous for us.

At this point, having a job is better than not having a job. Having a job with benefits is even better, which is why Apple was on my list of places to apply to. I also may end up shooting for a second round with Starbucks, if any locations in the area are hiring shift supervisors or assistant store managers. Baristas make pretty shitty pay, but shifts in Indianapolis started at $11/hr five years ago (before the company increased base pay nationwide), so I imagine the hourly rate will be slightly better out here.

There is (or was) a place in Chantilly called MacHeaven that used to do a lot of corporate work and not so much of the retail bullsh1t. I'm not sure if that's too far for you (can't remember where in NoVa you ended up) but you might try them. The owner was a real good guy named George something. Look them up. I'll try and remember some other places along those lines that may need good techs- Apple or otherwise.

I don't agree with a lot of your views, but you seem too clever and too principled for retail.
Hey, I appreciate the good thoughts. I'm going to look more at other places where I can work as a hardware tech. Funny as it may sound to some of you, I want to be a tech, at least for the time being. I'm burned out on corporate drone desk jobs. It's mind-numbing work, and at least if I'm a tech I can work with my hands all day.

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/ignoring the cacophony

GOOD LUCK, Shif.

I hope it goes well for you, and that if you decide you want the job, you get it. Keep us posted! Oh -- and when is the interview, anyway?
It's before the end of the month. I'm pretty excited about it, TBH.

My boyfriend told me today that he thinks I'm more a Mac fangirl than any other technology or computer company, except maybe Microsoft (I love Windows 7, my Zune Flash, and we even ponied up for a TechNet subscription awhile back). I may not worship the almighty Apple, but I do own a lot of Macs for being not a fangirl...

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If I remember correctly from her "I'm moving to DC" thread, I think she is in Alexandria, maybe the Landmark area on Little River Turnpike.

As for MacHeaven, we used them a couple times at my previous employer and they were just OK. (Although, we were hiring them to do work onsite and I think they were more of a work-in-the-shop kinda place.)

Another company that we had good luck with is called MacMedics. They are out near Baltimore (410 area code) and offered both on-demand and contracted service agreements. And they always came to you, which was nice.

Shif could easily work for MacMedics as a DC-area tech and do lots of computer fix-it stuff without having to be in sales or be a corporate tool for Apple.
Thanks for the info. I'll look more into other opportunities this week. I've only just begun aggressively looking for work, so this is just the start.

We live in Fairfax - a bit east of Alexandria, but not as far east as the Fair Lakes area. I'm not entirely averse to working in Maryland, although when we moved here, we arrived during morning rush-hour in Baltimore. It was hell on wheels, believe me.

It would suck less if the metro system here didn't double their rates during rush hour and not provide any monthly or annual discounts (wtf).
     
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I've spent decent chunks of time in that Alexandria-DC-Baltimore corridor and you have my sympathies. It is horrendously busy and expensive.
     
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I’ve seen some pretty fugly people working at the Apple Store; there was a guy at the Pasadena store that was covered in tats, it was disgusting
     
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Originally Posted by imitchellg5 View Post
That really depends on the store.
I'm sure- which is the reason I was careful to give the names of the stores she worked in.
     
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Originally Posted by RAILhead View Post
/ignoring the cacophony

GOOD LUCK, Shif.
Yeah, me too. I hope you do OK.
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
I know a guy who works at the local Apple Store who is a Windows user at home. I know a developer at Microsoft who loves his Macbook. I know a Ford salesman who drives a GM. It's a bit naive to assume to all Apple employees are die-hard Apple-faithful. You don't have to drink the koolaid to sell a product.
Exactly, it's not a religion... Why would Apple even care what Shif uses at home, so long as they can sell Macs and help people with problems?

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Exactly, it's not a religion...
Unlike Linux, for some

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Unlike Linux, for some

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I know this is a winky thing, but if you really think I'm a fanboy of Linux, you do have me all wrong.

I'm a supporter/appreciator of nothing except open source protocols and interoperability, Linux and FreeBSD on servers, the Unix shell/CLI environment, ZFS, and my penis, but in a perfect world I'd be picking the best bits out of each of these things anyway because none are perfect, except for my penis, so calling me a fanboy of any of these things except for my penis would be going too far.

Oh, I'm a fanboy of my wife too, but she doesn't really relate to this discussion about computers.
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I know this is a winky thing, but if you really think I'm a fanboy of Linux, you do have me all wrong.
No, besson, I don't have you in the Linux fanboi camp.
This comment wasn't targeted at you

We all know you like poop much more than Linux, right ?

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No, besson, I don't have you in the Linux fanboi camp.
This comment wasn't targeted at you

We all know you like necromancy much more than Linux, right ?

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You guys don't even know the half of me, I'm that deep.
Into poop or Obama's tushie?

Back to the OP, I'm still debating whether or not nice jeans are appropriate. I may go over to that store sometime this week and check out what the staff is wearing, although I would have thought there's some standard dress code across all stores?
     
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If I remember correctly from her "I'm moving to DC" thread, I think she is in Alexandria, maybe the Landmark area on Little River Turnpike.

As for MacHeaven, we used them a couple times at my previous employer and they were just OK. (Although, we were hiring them to do work onsite and I think they were more of a work-in-the-shop kinda place.)

Another company that we had good luck with is called MacMedics. They are out near Baltimore (410 area code) and offered both on-demand and contracted service agreements. And they always came to you, which was nice.

Shif could easily work for MacMedics as a DC-area tech and do lots of computer fix-it stuff without having to be in sales or be a corporate tool for Apple.
I looked on the MacMedics site right now. They're actually hiring at their DC location, but the website seems to realllly want a hardcore koolaid-addicted fanboy...it has the sort of attitude that says that a support person who uses anything but Macs would be unwelcome.

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If your idea of a good day is decommissioning a Microsoft Exchange server, converting an office full of sick and sad PC's with new Macintosh computers, then you might be who we're looking for! ... If you’re an under-appreciated/under-paid Mac fanatic, then MacMedics is where you need to be!
What are your impressions of the people who worked at the Baltimore location? Were they rational IT people or rabid fanboys or something in-between?

The benefits sure look nice - full health/dental/retirement, a MacBook, paid iPhone, and paid home Internet. I'm betting this kind of job is way more competitive than working in Apple retail.

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Ask Ca$h how easy it is to be tracked down for something you say on the internet.

As for what you say in your private life being used against you in your professional life: It happens ALL the time. Whether it involves an inappropriate posting on Facebook or Twitter or supposedly anonymous postings to a message board employers can and do keep tabs on their employees to make sure they stay "on message" and don't bring any unwanted attention to the company/brand. And, unless the employer hires someone to get non-public information on you, everything the employer does in this regard is completely legal as social networking sites and the intarweb in general are deemed public "spaces" from a legal rights perspective.
Oh, believe me, I know the dangers of putting incriminating things on the Internet - I actually got in trouble for exactly that when I worked as an on-site tech at my university. However, my supervisors loved me, and I didn't get fired over it.

If you did some serious sleuthing, you could put two and two together and figure out who shifuimam is IRL, but there's actually not that much that's terribly incriminating about me on the Internet. I'm actually way more concerned about a potential employer, including Apple, taking into account that I'm a Christian and a registered Republican with a strong political viewpoint in that direction. I can legitimately see someone choosing not to hire me based on that, rather than on whether or not I'm into Mac fanboyism.
     
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Jan 17, 2010, 08:01 PM
 
Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
What are your impressions of the people who worked at the Baltimore location? Were they rational IT people or rabid fanboys or something in-between?
More something in-between. But they do have that annoying chipperness about them that comes with anyone who is super-positive about a given matter. They just love talking about Apple like some people love talking about yoga or the latest diet fad or a particular religious figure or Amway products or . . . you get the idea.


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If you did some serious sleuthing, you could put two and two together and figure out who shifuimam is IRL, but there's actually not that much that's terribly incriminating about me on the Internet. I'm actually way more concerned about a potential employer, including Apple, taking into account that I'm a Christian and a registered Republican with a strong political viewpoint in that direction. I can legitimately see someone choosing not to hire me based on that, rather than on whether or not I'm into Mac fanboyism.
Oh, don't worry. Those of us with the Google Fu already know who you are in real life.

As for not being hired because you are a Christian and a Republican, there is nothing you can do about that. Employment is at will in this country so an employer has the right to choose what is or is not acceptable for their employees. Only the federal government *has* to take anyone and everyone. (Now, once you are hired you can't be discriminated against based on your religious beliefs but an employer can certainly use religious beliefs as a reason to *not* hire you and do so legally.) But, it's not like Christians or Republicans face any more hiring discrimination than any other group. You will find there are plenty of employers in the DC metro area who would not hire someone non-religious/atheist or liberal in their politics.
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Into poop or Obama's tushie?

Back to the OP, I'm still debating whether or not nice jeans are appropriate. I may go over to that store sometime this week and check out what the staff is wearing, although I would have thought there's some standard dress code across all stores?
Speaking generally about Apple Stores (not this one in particular), I'd say jeans would be good for the interview *if* they're fashionable. No Old Navy or Levis. The goal, IMO, is to be professionally trendy and fashionable jeans can accomplish that nicely. *If* you can pull it off, it should work perfectly.
     
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Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy View Post
As for not being hired because you are a Christian and a Republican, there is nothing you can do about that. Employment is at will in this country so an employer has the right to choose what is or is not acceptable for their employees.
Oh, I know. It hasn't been a problem for me yet, but I can see a recruiter thinking "oh no, she's a fundie" and immediately tossing my resume because of the stigma that comes with that.
     
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Jan 17, 2010, 08:53 PM
 
I haven't read the whole thread but have you tried going into an Apple store and seeing what they are wearing? Just wear something that is a little more dressed up than they are or.... if you want to show them you are serious about wanting the job you can wear exactly the same thing they are with an Apple logo name tag for the finishing touch.

Also tell them that you sleep in that outfit and during the day you walk around town telling everyone you meet about how they should buy Apple products. I'm sure that will get you the job. I'm sure...
     
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Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy View Post
More something in-between. But they do have that annoying chipperness about them that comes with anyone who is super-positive about a given matter. They just love talking about Apple like some people love talking about yoga or the latest diet fad or a particular religious figure or Amway products or . . . you get the idea.
This is part of what they're paid to do, and they're actively schooled in it.

It's really off-putting in their European stores, because people here really don't work that way.
     
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
Speaking generally about Apple Stores (not this one in particular), I'd say jeans would be good for the interview *if* they're fashionable. No Old Navy or Levis. The goal, IMO, is to be professionally trendy and fashionable jeans can accomplish that nicely. *If* you can pull it off, it should work perfectly.
The right shoes can make or break a pair of jeans.

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I haven't read the whole thread but have you tried going into an Apple store and seeing what they are wearing? Just wear something that is a little more dressed up than they are
And this is why you read the whole thread.
     
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Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
Oh, I know. It hasn't been a problem for me yet, but I can see a recruiter thinking "oh no, she's a fundie" and immediately tossing my resume because of the stigma that comes with that.
Is there a stigma that comes from being a "fundie" that is different from the stigma that comes from being an atheist/non-believer?

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How is a recruiter going to know you are a "fundie" merely by looking at your resume? Do you have your religious beliefs listed on your resume? I hope not. That type of information doesn't seem really relevant to being hired for a job unless the job is with a religious organization with an explicit religious-mandated mission.
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Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy View Post
Is there a stigma that comes from being a "fundie" that is different from the stigma that comes from being an atheist/non-believer?

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How is a recruiter going to know you are a "fundie" merely by looking at your resume? Do you have your religious beliefs listed on your resume? I hope not. That type of information doesn't seem really relevant to being hired for a job unless the job is with a religious organization with an explicit religious-mandated mission.
I was mostly referring to what dirt someone might be able to dig up on me if/when they figure out that my Internet persona is shifuimam. When it comes to hiring in corporate America, it seems like my conservative religious and political leanings could be more damning than my dislike of certain CEOs.
     
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Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
Into ponies and rainbows or Obama's tushie?
Oooohh.... erotic!

The thought of me tapping our first black president's tushie...wooowsers! Mmm.... our favorite black Jesus... Delectable sweet black powerful ass! Mmmm.....
     
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Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
I was mostly referring to what dirt someone might be able to dig up on me if/when they figure out that my Internet persona is shifuimam. When it comes to hiring in corporate America, it seems like my conservative religious and political leanings could be more damning than my dislike of certain CEOs.
Why? Aren't most people self-reported Christians? About half the ideological population is Republican... You'd be worse off if you were a less popular religion and neither Republican nor Democrat most likely! Plus, there was that one time 7 or 8 years ago where you told us that you've had sex with an animal before...
     
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When is the interview Shif?
     
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Jan 18, 2010, 09:16 AM
 
How about jeans and a black turtleneck? Do women wear this stuff?
     
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When is the interview Shif?
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It's before the end of the month. I'm pretty excited about it, TBH.
     
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Oooohh.... erotic!

The thought of me tapping our first black president's tushie...wooowsers! Mmm.... our favorite black Jesus... Delectable sweet black powerful ass! Mmmm.....
It's the ass of Change™.
     
 
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