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Jun 9, 2013, 07:39 PM
 
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Anyone have any specific name of irrelevant side characters and their related plots that have bugged them? I'm drawing a blank at the moment. Put in spoiler tags, of course.
All of Feast of Crows. Also a lot of the side plots in A Dance with Dragons, like
 
. Why can't he show them his usual brand of mercy? In the older books... It's been a decade and a half, close enough - I don't remember what bugged me, other than that they spent too much time on
 
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Errr, re: Brienne (beware spoilers for the curious!)
 
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Errr, re: Brienne (beware spoilers for the curious!)
 
 


     
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Jul 9, 2013, 11:30 AM
 
Finally got around to watching the entire series. Having read the books, it's quite interesting to see how they manage to leave the thread of the books and yet still get back to hit all the main points in the series.
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Just finished book 3. I hope they do justice to the second half of that book for season 4. I'd like some MAJOR battles, LOTR-film style.
     
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May 2, 2015, 06:49 PM
 
I finally binged and caught up to the present with the TV series. Here's a question for the book readers, since the TV series doesn't explain it.

In the Nights Watch. Why does Alliser Thorne stick by Janos Slynt? Janos has all the traits Thorne hates in recruits: cowardice, weakness, unreliability. After Thorne trusts him with command on the Wall, then with running his election campaign, Janos screws up further. Why are these two friends at all, much less still close in High Sparrow (S5, episode 3)?
     
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May 2, 2015, 07:59 PM
 
That part doesn't follow the books very well (nothing does, at the moment - Sansa is going WHERE?), but in the books it plays out like this:

 
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May 11, 2015, 03:56 AM
 
I like tonight's episode.
 
     
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For those not reading the books or keeping track, the TV show is now ahead of the books on several plot fronts. Very unfortunate but actually more exciting for TV viewers. This was predicted from the outset to be a problem and the answer just seems to be the obvious "well we're definitely not stopping the show". This season so far has been excellent, although we won't see what's happened with Bran north of the wall until next year.
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May 11, 2015, 12:37 PM
 
Strictly speaking the last scene with Bran from the last series was ahead of what has been published, although that chapter has been published on GRRMs website for a decade or so by now.
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May 11, 2015, 04:30 PM
 
I'd wondered why Bran hadn't made an appearance yet, even though we're halfway through Season 5.
     
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May 25, 2015, 04:32 AM
 
Didn't care much for last week's ep, though it had interesting moments.

I like this one though; The Gift.
 
     
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For those not reading the books or keeping track, the TV show is now ahead of the books on several plot fronts. Very unfortunate but actually more exciting for TV viewers. This was predicted from the outset to be a problem and the answer just seems to be the obvious "well we're definitely not stopping the show". This season so far has been excellent, although we won't see what's happened with Bran north of the wall until next year.
GRRM pretty much quit writing as soon as HBO picked up the series.
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May 25, 2015, 11:44 AM
 
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I'd wondered why Bran hadn't made an appearance yet, even though we're halfway through Season 5.
I reckon that's because Martin hasn't figured out where the story goes from here (according to a friend who has read all the books what happened in the last episode of season 4 goes beyond what is in the books).
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May 25, 2015, 01:25 PM
 
I believe it was announced that Bran wouldn't be in this season at all.
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May 25, 2015, 02:01 PM
 
GRRM originally planned three books: A Game of Thrones, A Dance with Dragons, The Winds of Winter. He rather quickly added a fourth, A Clash of Kings as a new book 2, and eventually A Storm of Swords as the third. After that third book he planned to skip ahead about 5 years and pick up the story again with slightly older characters, and let us understand what had happened between the lines. After about two years, he gave up on this plan, and wrote A Feast for Crows as an account of those five years, and eventually split it into two, with some of the characters going into A Dance with Dragons, along with part of what was supposed to happen in those books.

The problem is that these two, books 4 and 5, each took about five years to write, and book 6 is now taking something like that as well. Meanwhile, the series has used up books 1-3 on 4 seasons, and has now moved on to the boring period in A Feast for Crows. This is why the show is now diverging from the books - those books are a bit dull as not a lot of important things are happening.

It also means that there are whole chapters of The Winds of Winter, written before A Feast for Crows was even started in 2003, that have been teased on GRRMs site for years and read by him at conventions. One of them is a Bran chapter which was used for the last episode of season 4. In fact, more than half of the book has apparently been teased at one time. I avoid such spoilers myself, but if you have been patient, you could have read most of the book by now.
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Didn't care much for last week's ep, though it had interesting moments.

I like this one though; The Gift.
 
 


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You may have missed something I missed initially too. Recheck the Cersei / Lancel reunion conversation in S5 ep 1.
 


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Admittedly I'm not caught up with the show, but...

 


This matters less than you think. If there is one thing the show has made clear it is that the throne is taken by whoever wins the civil war, claims be damned. Robert inherited based on an aunt who was the daughter of some king 100 years ago, but liked to say that his warhammer was his claim.

 
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You may have missed something I missed initially too. Recheck the Cersei / Lancel reunion conversation in S5 ep 1.
 
 


 
 
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Shaddim, have you read the books? Because

 
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You may have missed something I missed initially too. Recheck the Cersei / Lancel reunion conversation in S5 ep 1.
 
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I should have been more specific, but that's what I was talking about when I said that's what he's training for.
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I guess this is confusing for those who have not read the books - and the fact that the show has to change some narratives - but no,
 
You haven't met him yet, but I would think that it happens fairly soon....


Edit: put stuff in spoilers. Also, if you want to investigate further, P and I had this conversation at the bottom of page 1/top of page 2. It's sort of funny that at that time, it was something that I/we had thought about but was "interesting mild speculation" on what GRRM could be cooking up.....I haven't checked, but at this point I'm sure it's the subject of thousands of hours of online rabid fan speculation. Ahhh television....


Edit 2: Oh....you've read the books? What, you forgot about the entire Aegon plotline?
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Saw tonight's episode: Hardhome.

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This. This was the episode we've been waiting for, for FIVE YEARS.

And there are two episodes left.

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Am I right in thinking that we never learned what happened to Ned's brother? I forget his name but way back in season one he went out on patrol north of the wall and never came back if I recall correctly.
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He disappeared. That was the motivation for the ill-fated excursion with Mormont - they were trying to find out what had happened.

Maybe we'll see him with blue eyes. Or not.
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I'm not sure where it was revealed that it can be forged again. I thought it was some complicated magic process which involved dragons. It could be that is where they are going, but has the forging ability yet been confirmed at all?
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Two swords were reforged from Ned Stark's last season.
     
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Yeah but that was just re-using existing steel - it was Valyrian in the first place - and they didn't create any new V-steel. (Brienne and Tommen have those two now I believe? Hahaha....I choose Brienne in that head to head.) And that was only because Ned's sword was a monstrous size in the first place.

Even if they go around melting down all the existing huge swords and making smaller ones, it won't take them very far. I don`t know off the top of my head, but there probably are less than a dozen Valyrian steel swords referenced in the books - some of them lost/missing.
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Two swords were reforged from Ned Stark's last season.
Yup. Ned Stark had the Stark ancestral blade, the one he used to execute a criminal in the first season, and Tywin Lannister had it reforged into two smaller blades. He gave one to Jamie, who gave it to Brienne. The other was given to Joffrey, and is now presumably in Tommen's hands.

 
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Am I right in thinking that we never learned what happened to Ned's brother? I forget his name but way back in season one he went out on patrol north of the wall and never came back if I recall correctly.
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He disappeared. That was the motivation for the ill-fated excursion with Mormont - they were trying to find out what had happened.

Maybe we'll see him with blue eyes. Or not.
Benjen Stark was First Ranger. Jon has since promoted a new First Ranger, so Benjen is presumed dead. Two of his men were found dead, but they were burned before Maester Aemon could examine them. Something about one of them attacking the Lord Commander in his quarters ...

So we don't know the cause of death. If they were ambushed by Walkers, or by Wildlings and later found by the Walkers.
     
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Even if they go around melting down all the existing huge swords and making smaller ones, it won't take them very far. I don`t know off the top of my head, but there probably are less than a dozen Valyrian steel swords referenced in the books - some of them lost/missing.
By name, yes, but there are quite a few. Most of the noble families have one - the Lannisters are special in that they did not, before Tywin appropriated Ned's. They're rare, but not THAT rare - a quick google shows that there are apparently at least 200 in the Westeros alone.

There are also shorter blades of Valyrian steel - the dagger used in the assassination attempt on Bran, and subsequently traced to Littlefinger and then Tyrion (thereby setting up his capture, and therefore the outbreak of the war) was Valyrian steel.
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Also someone should trademark V-Steel......it's a marketing wet dream
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By name, yes, but there are quite a few. Most of the noble families have one - the Lannisters are special in that they did not, before Tywin appropriated Ned's. They're rare, but not THAT rare - a quick google shows that there are apparently at least 200 in the Westeros alone.

There are also shorter blades of Valyrian steel - the dagger used in the assassination attempt on Bran, and subsequently traced to Littlefinger and then Tyrion (thereby setting up his capture, and therefore the outbreak of the war) was Valyrian steel.
Yeah the Lannisters lost their sword. A great shame to Tywin of course.

I figured Sam Tarly might find out the secret to making new steel in his old books. TBD perhaps. Anyway, it's possible there's a couple hundred, but only a couple are ever referenced in the books. And that's not very many spread out through a continent of course.
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I'm not sure where it was revealed that it can be forged again. I thought it was some complicated magic process which involved dragons. It could be that is where they are going, but has the forging ability yet been confirmed at all?
Ahhhh sorry, upon re-reading I see that I was just rephrasing what you had said. Damn spoilers are inconvenient! I say we just make this thread spoiler-free and get on with it, because at this point the show is spoiling the books, not the other way 'round!

It's actually quite nice, but I would love to see what GRRM's sales for the final books will be like. Will they plummet again now that we have the answers? Hahaha.
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Surprised no-one else has bumped this one yet.

Holy shit.

 
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I feel like this was a major blueball of a season. I should start binge-watching this show instead of waiting week to week.
     
 
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