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Just wondering if any of you can help me.
We might have several TB of flow every month on our servers. This payload simply exceeds even advertised robust business Internet plans. At a point where I've been calling the big guys (AT&T, Rogers, Bell, and Telus) and the response has been brutal. Yes, they have negotiated, dedicated business solutions but everyone seems to be all confused and I have to wait several days for a quote, which I don't put much faith in.
Any tips to save on bandwidth and the big question, how much is data at a good rate? Like, per MB or TB?
Typical business plans and even consumer plans for $250 per month give you 1 TB of data. Obviously we need likely over 20 TB per month of data, and $250 per TB here is way too expensive for us as a business, since we'd have to pass on the cost to our customers.
Interesting tidbit: I heard Google pays next door to zero for their data on YouTube since they own a portion of the network where that handles much or all of the load.
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I have no idea what you do on your servers, but have you looked at either Amazon S3 or Rackspace Cloud Files?
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Originally Posted by besson3c 
I have no idea what you do on your servers, but have you looked at either Amazon S3 or Rackspace Cloud Files?
Haven't, but I will. I'm really trying to stay away from anyone and trying to do it myself. I want to control it all and build it up, hence looking for wholesale prices.
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Originally Posted by freudling
Haven't, but I will. I'm really trying to stay away from anyone and trying to do it myself. I want to control it all and build it up, hence looking for wholesale prices.
Either way you'll be at the whim of the bandwidth/network you have available. I'd definitely look at businesses like Amazon and Rackspace that are in the business to provide gobs of bandwidth as opposed to businesses like AT&T that are in the business of being lame when it comes to this sort of stuff. Nobody will ever need to know that you are utilizing these services, just as customers of Dropbox are oblivious to the fact that Dropbox files are on Amazon S3.
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Originally Posted by besson3c
Either way you'll be at the whim of the bandwidth/network you have available. I'd definitely look at businesses like Amazon and Rackspace that are in the business to provide gobs of bandwidth as opposed to businesses like AT&T that are in the business of being lame when it comes to this sort of stuff. Nobody will ever need to know that you are utilizing these services, just as customers of Dropbox are oblivious to the fact that Dropbox files are on Amazon S3.
Good points... Since I'm in a city with fibre optic... and since our growth could be big, I'm still leaning toward doing it ourselves. But yes, I understand what you're saying.
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Originally Posted by freudling
Good points... Since I'm in a city with fibre optic... and since our growth could be big, I'm still leaning toward doing it ourselves. But yes, I understand what you're saying.
If you can get fibre, great, but not if their support services are super lame. I just got a call from Comcast the other day from some lady that wanted me to upgrade to "20 megs", and didn't know the difference between megabits and megabytes. I would strongly suggest a company where it is easy to traverse through their support hierarchy and easily skirt around these sorts of stooges, and call me cynical, but I just don't see some of the companies you've listed accommodating this.
It is super frustrating when the payoff has hit the fan and you have to deal with morons.
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I was looking at Rackspace Cloud Files the other day and I initiated a chat with a live agent on their site (or whatever they are called), and I was pleasantly surprised that they knew their stuff and were very no-nonsense. Perhaps trying the support services of whatever company you are interested in would be a good idea, if you can think of some sort of fairly technical question to ask?
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Originally Posted by besson3c
If you can get fibre, great, but not if their support services are super lame. I just got a call from Comcast the other day from some lady that wanted me to upgrade to "20 megs", and didn't know the difference between megabits and megabytes. I would strongly suggest a company where it is easy to traverse through their support hierarchy and easily skirt around these sorts of stooges, and call me cynical, but I just don't see some of the companies you've listed accommodating this.
It is super frustrating when the payoff has hit the fan and you have to deal with morons.
This is exactly the experience I've been having. I mean, I'm looking for massive enterprise solutions and I'm running into so many morons.
You've nailed it.
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You can buy a T-carrier line (DS3.) It'll cost you a few grand per month, but there are no caps and it has guaranteed uptime and 24/7/365 service. It'd be marginally cheaper than your $250/TB at 20 TBs, and you'd have unlimited bandwidth should you decide to expand.
45Mbits synchronous, static IP block.
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Originally Posted by freudling
Just wondering if any of you can help me.
We might have several TB of flow every month on our servers. This payload simply exceeds even advertised robust business Internet plans. At a point where I've been calling the big guys (AT&T, Rogers, Bell, and Telus) and the response has been brutal. Yes, they have negotiated, dedicated business solutions but everyone seems to be all confused and I have to wait several days for a quote, which I don't put much faith in.
Any tips to save on bandwidth and the big question, how much is data at a good rate? Like, per MB or TB?
Typical business plans and even consumer plans for $250 per month give you 1 TB of data. Obviously we need likely over 20 TB per month of data, and $250 per TB here is way too expensive for us as a business, since we'd have to pass on the cost to our customers.
Interesting tidbit: I heard Google pays next door to zero for their data on YouTube since they own a portion of the network where that handles much or all of the load.
Metrobridge services the downtown with good high usage plans. I used Radiant Communications in the past when the mail and web servers where in house. I can't remember the costs cuz its been 5 years now but I do remember doing between 15-30TB a month in data.
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http://broadband.radiant.net/bi/sure...ness_ethernet/ might be your best option right now.
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Are we allowed to know what you are doing that requires this much bandwidth? Just curious 
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Originally Posted by olePigeon
You can buy a T-carrier line (DS3.) It'll cost you a few grand per month, but there are no caps and it has guaranteed uptime and 24/7/365 service. It'd be marginally cheaper than your $250/TB at 20 TBs, and you'd have unlimited bandwidth should you decide to expand.
45Mbits synchronous, static IP block.
This information is sick. Thanks. Any idea where a good place to guy one of these lines would be?
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Originally Posted by besson3c
Are we allowed to know what you are doing that requires this much bandwidth? Just curious
Ya: there would be a set of files that we would have to host and a ton of downloads on each one of those files.
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I'd suggest colocation or CDN. Transfer is the same price either way; typical rates we're seeing are $50/TB. If you go with colo you also have the option of paying by the megabit (95th percentile billing, typically $20/Mbps) which works well if you have consistent traffic levels.
Unless you really want to get in the business of running data centers, colocation makes electricity and cooling and physical access and fire prevention someone else's problem (and they're generally better at reliably delivering it than you are).
If you really want to run the server in your basement, get the cheaper business line and use a CDN. They've got physical presence worldwide so the downloads are super fast to your clients.
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Originally Posted by freudling
This information is sick. Thanks. Any idea where a good place to guy one of these lines would be?
T3/DS3 line would be through your local phone company.
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Originally Posted by olePigeon
T3/DS3 line would be through your local phone company.
or companies like Radiant which I posted above who partnership with Telus
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Originally Posted by Athens
This information is also sick!!! I'm on the phone with these guys and liking what I'm hearing. Thanks Athens! Sick!!!
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