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Apr 20, 2013, 05:51 PM
 
This movie is really coming together.

I like the idea that Lois has been tracking the story of a mysterious super-being long before the public knows of him. I also like the idea that the Fortress of Solitude is really a buried Kryptonian spacecraft.

Those last shots of someone punching someone else over and over again in flight shows why Snyder was the right man for this.

i wonder if they are gonna address the issue of why Kryptonians and Earthlings look exactly alike.
     
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Apr 22, 2013, 09:11 AM
 
I could give a rat's ass, but between Snyder and the positive buzz regarding his handling, I'm mildly interested.
     
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Apr 22, 2013, 04:43 PM
 
Really? I didn't know you were that big a fan of Snyder. I would have guessed Nolan's involvement as your biggest reason for any interest in a Superman movie.

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May 6, 2013, 03:11 PM
 
Man, I hope this movies delivers. Iron Man 3 was a letdown and I don't think I can sit through another shitty Superman movie. Let's hope Synder/Goyer/Nolan hit this one out of the park.

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May 6, 2013, 03:16 PM
 
I couldn't muster any enthusiasm for Iron Man 3. Iron Man 2 was meh, Don Cheadle was a terrible replacement for Terrence Howard, and the trailers for 3 showing Stark's home being destroyed reeked of overdoing it in the last outing. I'll watch it on Netflix.
     
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May 6, 2013, 04:02 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
I couldn't muster any enthusiasm for Iron Man 3. Iron Man 2 was meh, Don Cheadle was a terrible replacement for Terrence Howard, and the trailers for 3 showing Stark's home being destroyed reeked of overdoing it in the last outing. I'll watch it on Netflix.
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May 6, 2013, 04:05 PM
 
The handling of Mandarin was the worst thing of the movie, for me. That was my biggest letdown.
     
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May 22, 2013, 12:54 AM
 
Trailer #4 is up.

Man of Steel - "Fate of Your Planet" Official Trailer [HD] - YouTube

Whoa whoa there Lois Lane. Settle down.


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Jun 6, 2013, 02:34 PM
 
One more week. I have my tickets for Thursday night at 7pm. I really hope it lives up to the hype.

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Jun 6, 2013, 08:02 PM
 
Looks incredible.
     
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Jun 6, 2013, 10:10 PM
 
That's a trailer. Doesn't give things away, just bits and pieces of curiousity causing chaos.
     
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Jun 17, 2013, 03:44 AM
 
I thought Man of Steel was a let-down, although some of it had some potential.

The most intriguing parts of the movie were sort of what I was hoping for: plot development of the whole idea of a God living among men who at times aspired to be more human while the humans aspired to be Gods. The movie sort of got into the former, a little... This whole premise opens up possibilities including religion, and benevolent dictators - interesting stuff to build a story around, I think. The first half of the movie was sort of holding my interest within this general framework, but then it just devolved into a Michael Bay-esque brainless action movie with stupid violence and explosions and liquor stash. So I can - typical Hollywood dreck.

Maybe this sets up a sequel where some of this subject matter can be explored a little more, but I doubt it. The way the next Superman movie should be made is without any intimidating bad guys that pose a serious threat to Superman. Superman is pretty much invincible, so this will lead to more brainless Michael Bay idiot circus brigade crap. Instead, it should be about society turning against Superman, sort of like the Heros TV show, or Superman's struggles being Superman. Obviously there needs to be some sort of villan, but I hope it isn't central to the plot, or else they make that villan extremely complex like the Joker from Dark Knight.

Overall, the movie was a big meh, sadly. I think the last superhero movie that really excited me was Dark Knight... Maybe I'm still just tired of the genre.
     
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Jun 17, 2013, 12:10 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Overall, the movie was a big meh, sadly. I think the last superhero movie that really excited me was Dark Knight... Maybe I'm still just tired of the genre.
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Jun 17, 2013, 01:37 PM
 
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You're getting old(er).
Did you like Man of Steel? Has anybody seen this movie yet? This thread seems dead
     
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Jun 17, 2013, 01:59 PM
 
I was more disappointed with the characters. I didn't care about anyone except for Supes and maybe his parents.

Lois - First scene shows she has moxie. For the rest of the movie she is a typical damsel in distress, reacting to events, no control over her own fate.

Perry White - Not much to do. Lawrence Fishburne had ONE look, near the end, that almost made me care for his character. But c'mon, give the audience something to hold onto.

Zod - If his character description was "mindless military man, dedicated to one cause at the sake of all else (including personality)" then congrats, well done.

There was no humor, no levity. We had contemplations on god, on our purpose in life, on genetics, on hubris, but no real humanity. Instead they filled it with punching people through buildings. Superman discovers a temporary weakness in Zod? Let's have him chat about it, tell Zod the solution, and THEN punch him. Yes, that makes perfect sense. For a movie with so much action, they did a remarkable amount of telling, not showing.
     
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Jun 17, 2013, 02:32 PM
 
I've been really depressed with this crop of summer movies. Iron Man 3, Star Trek, and now Superman were basically the same freaking movie: evil dudes with lots of powers causing a lot of violence out of some generic source of unexplored evil.
     
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Jun 18, 2013, 05:46 PM
 
Saw it yesterday. I liked it a lot. I might see it again.

It's not flawless. A bit too heavy on the "disaster porn." A bit too much shaky cam. The stuff about the "codex" and Kal-El's natural birth was both confusing and unnecessary. I also didn't quite follow the whole "breathing the right atmosphere" bit. And as you've heard, it's pretty humourless.

I expected a superhero/alien invasion hybrid film, but really, it's more like a superhero/alien invasion/disaster porn hybrid. It's hard to tell if it's excessive. On the one hand, I guess this is what would really happen if a bunch of gods fought like hell in the middle of a city. On the other hand, Superman doesn't appear too concerned about collateral damage. On the other hand, how could he be? It's hard to worry about anything else when fighting for your life. Should they have spoon-fed us a line about how he needs to focus on winning rather than worrying about the buildings collapsing everywhere?

Contrast this with Superman II. There, Superman leads the villains away from the city to his fortress. That seems like the "Superman" thing to do. But he can't do that in this film.

Lots of stuff to like though. The design work was excellent. Everything is novel and memorable, all the Kryptonian stuff especially, from the technology to the suits to the world of Krypton itself. And the new Superman suit looks much, much better on camera than in pictures.

In some ways, the film seems constructed to appease a certain mindset. For instance, some people complain there's too much emphasis on the love interest in superhero films, and that the love interest is barely a character at all. In this film, they both strip down the love story to the bare minimum while at the same time giving Lois Lane a lot more agency. It's a design choice I'm glad they made, even though it makes Lois into a smaller part.

Also, some people wanted less boy scout Superman and more brawler Superman. Well, they got it. Though the film has lots of Kal-El saving people in the early part of the film, once he puts on the suit, he's there to bash skulls. In some ways, Faora looks the best here, because she kicks the crap out of several soldiers in rapid motion, and it looks awesome.

Everyone is well-casted. Everyone plays their part well.

 


I recommend everyone go see Man of Steel. He's hoping for many sequels.
     
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Jun 18, 2013, 06:12 PM
 
Originally Posted by lpkmckenna View Post
Contrast this with Superman II. There, Superman leads the villains away from the city to his fortress. That seems like the "Superman" thing to do. But he can't do that in this film.
I was thinking the same thing. The other crazy unrealistic thing was when they were fighting they would go way up in the air, fight using satellites and crap, and then come down to the exact same spot they originated from, which just happened to be right by the Daily Planet.

In some ways, the film seems constructed to appease a certain mindset. For instance, some people complain there's too much emphasis on the love interest in superhero films, and that the love interest is barely a character at all. In this film, they both strip down the love story to the bare minimum while at the same time giving Lois Lane a lot more agency. It's a design choice I'm glad they made, even though it makes Lois into a smaller part.
I liked a lot of design decisions in this movie, including this one. My problems seem to be in the execution and plot category, and of course the excessive CGI crap.
     
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Jun 19, 2013, 03:36 AM
 
I'll give my review after I see it this Saturday in IMAX 3D.

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Jun 19, 2013, 03:43 AM
 
Originally Posted by lpkmckenna View Post
I recommend everyone go see Man of Steel. He's hoping for many sequels.
WB has already fast tracked the sequel. The movie has made $214 million worldwide in 4 days.

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Jun 19, 2013, 05:31 PM
 
Movie was good, CG was shit.
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Jun 19, 2013, 05:41 PM
 
Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
Movie was good, CG was shit.
Too much of it? Bad quality?


Aren't you guys a little concerned that movie studios will be less likely to take risks on more creative/artistic type movies when they can crank out a Superman-type movie and make $200m? Like or dislike the movie, I'm sure we can all agree that it certainly didn't break new ground. It's not the kind of movie that most are going to be thinking about for weeks to come.

After all, Spielberg has said that his movie studio almost didn't agree to do Lincoln, it may had been HBO that did it instead, because they didn't think it would do that well.
     
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Jun 19, 2013, 06:48 PM
 
giving Lois Lane a lot more agency
What does this mean?
     
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What does this mean?
That she is the instigator of the events that happen to her, rather than being the passive subject of events that happen to her.
     
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Originally Posted by lpkmckenna View Post
That she is the instigator of the events that happen to her, rather than being the passive subject of events that happen to her.
Thankyou for the explanation.
     
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Jun 24, 2013, 02:03 AM
 
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Too much of it? Bad quality?
Yes and yes. Alternating between bad CG versions of characters and the real actors between cut scenes was just painful.

I'm sick of paying $12.50 for a film with a $200M+ budget that has the visual effects quality of a 1st year film school student. It's the last time. Any movie that WETA did the VFX for is now a $1 rental at RedBox. I hate that company.
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Jun 24, 2013, 09:19 AM
 
Watched it over the weekend. It was good, definitely not as bad as some are making it out to be. And it is definitely light years better than 'Superman Returns'. The lead characters did a fine job IMHO.

Having said that, it wasn't 'awesome'. My main criticism is the score/music. It was just way too 'tense' and loud for the latter half of the movie. I wasn't impressed by the villain either; although i should state that my point of reference is the Joker(Dark Knight).

It would be unfair to compare this movie to the classic Chris Reeves' movies; but the obvious, noticeable difference is there is a heck of a lot more frowning in this movie.

I'm not sure if this movie has the 'staying power' for the generation being introduced to Superman for the first time, like the original Chris Reeves movies had on me. But it was a decent summer flick.

 
     
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Jun 24, 2013, 11:14 AM
 
I've watched it twice now, I'm not seeing where all the animosity is directed. It's a good movie, much better than most other popcorn flicks.
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Jul 17, 2013, 11:53 PM
 
Haha. I love these "How it should have Ended/Super Cafe" videos.

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Jul 21, 2013, 09:18 AM
 
Snyder's MoS 2 announcement at ComicCon Superman/Batman Movie announced at Comic Con 2013(Video) by Harry Lennix - Exclusive Video - YouTube

"I want you to remember, Clark, in all the years to come. In all your private moments. I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember, the one man who beat you."

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Snyder's MoS 2 announcement at ComicCon Superman/Batman Movie announced at Comic Con 2013(Video) by Harry Lennix - Exclusive Video - YouTube

"I want you to remember, Clark, in all the years to come. In all your private moments. I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember, the one man who beat you."
That gave me chills, for real.
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Jul 24, 2013, 02:51 PM
 
I can't believe anyone would argue against a Superman/Batman film, but for some crazy reason, people are doing just that.

The Batman/Superman friendship is one of the most compelling in pop culture. It makes Kirk/Spock look like Amos and Andy.

Here's a plot point I hope they explore: it is not Lex Luthor who discovers Kryptonite, but Bruce Wayne. It would tie nicely to the idea that Batman has a plan for everything, including beating Superman if necessary.

I want a Clark-Lois-Bruce love triangle. I can just see Bruce failing to understand why Lois prefers Clark to him, not knowing that Lois knows Clark is Superman.

I also want to see Bruce and Lex working together to "protect the Earth" from this mysterious super-alien, until Bruce realizes he's picked the wrong side. Watching Superman and Batman transition from suspicion to friendship is what will make this film work.

Batman is "the world's greatest detective." This needs to be a focus of the character, as Batman discovers Clark is Superman, and Batman uncovers that Lex is really a criminal, not a fellow business magnate. Batman wasn't enough of a detective in the Nolan films.

Don't focus on the Batman back-story. We've all heard it. But it should be relevant: Superman becomes even more suspicious of Batman because he is motivated by the murder of his parents, which makes him look like a vengeful vigilante rather than a hero.

This needs to be a Superman film with Batman as a supporting character.

The film needs to end with Superman and Batman fighting Lex in the Kryptonite-powered suit. It has to be clear that they each couldn't beat Lex alone.

My choice for a title: "Man of Tomorrow"

Oh, and I need to see the grey and blue Batsuit this time. It works in the Arkham games, so put it on the damn screen. And give Superman a red and gold utility belt, but go with the gold oval buckle, not the stupid red shield buckle in the New 52. (Ok, I'll stop now.)
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Jul 24, 2013, 04:16 PM
 
I think I'd be more interested in exploring how Batman and Superman fit in among society. I mean, these movies focus on the superheros, virtually ignore the rest of humanity (humans are basically ants), and the casualty damage is irrelevant. What would human society be like with two gods with the power to be benevolent (or malevolent) dictators?

Granted, I think lpkm's ideas are stronger than what the movie will probably become: an Avengers clone. Avengers was successful, but it was also oddly light and funny. I don't think you can repeat that formula.

The producers should also decide in advance some sort of conservative restraint on the number of minutes/seconds of CGI this movie should have. Superman + Batman could easily turn into a Michael Bay-esque movie.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
I think I'd be more interested in exploring how Batman and Superman fit in among society. I mean, these movies focus on the superheros, virtually ignore the rest of humanity (humans are basically ants), and the casualty damage is irrelevant. What would human society be like with two gods with the power to be benevolent (or malevolent) dictators?
Which is what made Marvels interesting. But this is obviously not Zack Snyder's strength. He wanted us to care about Perry White because he was Perry White, not because we knew anything about his character (who had all of 3-4 lines before he was put in danger). So...yeah.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
I think I'd be more interested in exploring how Batman and Superman fit in among society.
I completely agree. This should be primary factor of character motivation. Lex doesn't think Superman "fits" our world, and Superman doesn't think Batman "fits" the kind of hero society needs.

And Lois doesn't think ultra-powerful businessmen like Lex and Bruce "fit" with society either, and is writing a piece on how these 1%ers are ruining America by trying to undermine Superman.

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But this is obviously not Zack Snyder's strength.
Uh, the guy who filmed the "unfilmable" Watchmen can't tell a story about superheroes affecting society?
     
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I don't think, at least in Superman's case, he told a story in which we CARE about the people in the society being affected. Sure, the superheroes affect things. They smash buildings, they have careless disregard for humanity, etc. But we're expected to care about the humans just because. As if caring by default is effective storytelling.

Watchman had some of the same problems. It hit all the beats of the comic, even miming the framing, but it was without feeling. I never got a sense of the paranoia and fear and MOOD of their alt 1980s. It was all colors and light and fury. It was costumed people solving a puzzle. The rest of the world felt like an afterthought.

So yes, I believe that Man Of Steel has a lot of character issues. Did you actually care one lick about Perry White? If so, it wasn't due to anything his character said/did, but because of his history in the comics/movies. The only bit that made me care about him, even a little bit, was a look that Laurence Fishburne gives Jenny Olsen at one point. That look did more for his character than any dialogue or scenes or setup prior to it. Still, it was like 40 minutes after the film assumed I cared if he lived or died. Far too late.
     
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I believe, honestly, that Snyder thought Fishburn himself is likeable enough to make people care. I know that I like Larry no matter what role he's playing.
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