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Jun 20, 2012, 10:54 AM
 
In the best Ocean Marketting tradition:
Lawyer demands $20,000, so webcomic raises $100,000 from the Internet | Ars Technica
The controversy goes back to last June, when Inman got fed up with his comics appearing on user-generated humor site FunnyJunk, often without attribution.

"I realize that trying to police copyright infringement on the internet is like strolling into the Vietnamese jungle circa 1964 and politely asking everyone to use squirt guns," he wrote in a blog post last year. "I know that if FunnyJunk disappeared, 50 other clones would pop up to take its place overnight, but I felt I had to say something about what they're doing."

So he said something, which included negative comments about FunnyJunk's business model
That little excerpt above about FunnyJunk's business model? Defamation, said Carreon, who demanded that Inman remove every reference to FunnyJunk from his website—and "deliver to me a check in the amount of $20,000 payable to the order of FunnyJunk, LLC."
When "The Oatmeal" webcomic creator Matthew Inman got the recent lawyer letter demanding $20,000 of his money, he just did what came naturally—drew a picture of the lawyer's mother seducing a Kodiak bear.

Then he turned to the Internet to find the cash, which would be donated to charity rather than sent to the lawyer. Inman raised the money in an hour; within a day, people had pledged $100,000.
 


Angry “Internet lawyer” sues The Oatmeal, bears, and cancer research | Ars Technica

Lawyer Charles Carreon has personally filed a lawsuit against the creator of the webcomic The Oatmeal for events surrounding the comic's charitable fundraiser, "Operation BearLove Good, Cancer Bad." Carreon's suit names Matthew Inman (aka "The Oatmeal"), the Indiegogo website Inman used to raise the money, and Inman's two charities of choice, the National Wildlife Federation and the American Cancer Society. Did we mention that Carreon sued 100 anonymous "Does" in the same suit, too?

Doubling down: FunnyJunk lawyer to subpoena Ars, Twitter | Ars Technica

After filing a lawsuit targeting 100 anonymous Internet "Does" (among others), Carreon has announced that he plans to unmask at least one of them and name the person in his complaint, even if it means subpoenas to Twitter and Ars Technica.
"It might not have seemed very dehumanizing when Walt Disney made Japanese people look silly with buck teeth and big glasses who could not pronounce their 'R's or their 'L's," he said. "But it was dehumanizing, and the purpose was to direct evil intentions against them, which ultimately resulted in the only nuclear holocaust that ever occurred in the history of humanity. I don't think Truman would have ever done that if we hadn't so dehumanized the enemy. When you dehumanize someone, that is the first step to inciting people."
For Carreon, who has long made a stand on First Amendment freedom of speech principles, the entire avenue of attack here is hard for his colleagues to fathom. Try to shut down money to charity? Make incitement claims against Inman? Sue random Twitter imposters who operated for a couple days?

Marc Randazza, the lawyer whose firm played a key role in bringing down Righthaven, knows Carreon—and can't understand what's come over the man.

"Charles wrote what I thought was one of the most ill-considered demand letters ever sent out on a lawyer’s letterhead," Randazza wrote on his blog this week. After The Oatmeal's response to Carreon's "unsupportable legal position," Carreon sued and "just made himself a meme—and not in a good way," Randazza added.

"This will not end well for him. I just want to say that I tried. I really tried to get him to come to his senses. I tried really, really hard."
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Jun 20, 2012, 11:00 AM
 
I shouldn't be, but I'm always amazed when a highly-educated professional speaks and acts like a complete moron.

When he suggested that Disney was partly responsible for the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, I felt some of my sanity evaporating out through my ear.
     
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Jun 20, 2012, 11:04 AM
 
It sees to be a common theme that people start digging large holes when the internet turns against them.
     
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Jun 20, 2012, 02:27 PM
 
Well the internet would require a big hole if you wanted ti bury it.
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Jun 25, 2012, 02:50 PM
 
FunnyJunk attorney ropes California Attorney General into The Oatmeal lawsuit | Ars Technica
The astonishingly tenacious Arizona attorney Charles Carreon, apparently not satisfied with his original filing last week, has now amended his case against Matthew Inman et al. to now include California State Attorney General Kamala Harris.
Check this shit out:



Photo courtesy Charles Carreon
Holeeeeeeeee sheeeeeeeet
     
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Jun 25, 2012, 03:53 PM
 
Plaintiff has received voice mails from Dominos pizza wanting to confirm his ordering of pizzas that he in fact did not order,” Carreon writes in the new filing. “Plaintiff never experienced any such invasions of his privacy and quiet enjoyment before the Bear Love campaign.”
Will he sue me if I say publicly that I find this quite amusing, albeit puerile?
     
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Jun 26, 2012, 08:44 AM
 
Well, that explains the crazy ass pictures some.
     
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Jun 26, 2012, 09:53 AM
 
mentally. deranged.
     
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Jun 26, 2012, 09:59 AM
 
Does anyone find it as disturbing as I do that she's five pages deep into a thread with no response (I didn't check all the pages)? There's so much about that that leaves me scratching my head.
     
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Jun 26, 2012, 10:03 AM
 
She is talking to herself, certainly. And comparing inman to hitler.

completely unhinged.
     
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Jul 2, 2012, 09:05 AM
 
Still going...
FunnyJunk lawyer aims to halt distribution of “BearLove” money | Ars Technica
On Saturday, Charles Carreon updated his federal lawsuit against Matthew Inman (creator of the humor website The Oatmeal). Carreon's suit now calls for a temporary restraining order, asking the court to mandate IndieGoGo not transfer any of the more than $220,000 raised as of Monday, June 25. If the court sides with Carreon, funds would not go to Inman or to the target charities, the National Wildlife Foundation (NWF) and the American Cancer Society (ACS).

“If IndieGoGo pays Inman the money in the Charitable Fund, and Inman personally donates the money to NWF and ACS, he will be unjustly enriched by receiving a large tax write-off that should properly be allocated pro-rata to the 14,406 small donors who contributed to the Charitable Fund,” Carreon writes. “Pilfering very small amounts of money from very large numbers of people is a stock mechanism for conducting computer and Internet fraud. Preventing Inman from exploiting the giving public in such a fashion is in the public interest.”
Love the title.


The Oatmeal fights back, snaps photo of cash, sends money to charity | Ars Technica
Matt Inman, creator of The Oatmeal webcomic, has snapped his promised picture of a huge pile of cash—but using his own money, not donated funds.
As for Charles Carreon, he's been making his anti-Inman arguments in legal filings. His wife, however, continues to crusade publicly on his behalf.
     
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Jul 2, 2012, 03:58 PM
 
Who is going to hire this guy as a lawyer after this?

Then again, people are scary.
     
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Jul 3, 2012, 06:29 AM
 
He'll be suing Jesus before this is over.
     
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Jul 3, 2012, 07:19 AM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
He'll be suing Jesus before this is over.
He'd be a sensible target for any litigator since:
A) He gets a lot of donations from churches every Sunday and all those televangelists, has been for years and
B) Jesus saves. So he won't have spent much of it.
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Jul 3, 2012, 08:58 AM
 
Doesn't this guy have a day job?

Former allies turn on Carreon, sue to halt his threats | Ars Technica
An attorney representing Satirical Charles, the person behind a satirical website mocking pugnacious Arizona attorney Charles Carreon, has filed a lawsuit in federal court in San Francisco, seeking a preemptive declaratory judgment in the case after Carreon indicated his interest in finding and then suing Satirical Charles by name. The legal move asks the court to declare that Satirical Charles has done nothing wrong.
In his complaint, Levy reveals more of Carreon's normal bombastic rhetoric. He quotes Carreon's threats to draw out this litigation, threats in which Carreon talks about his "known capacity to litigate appeals for years" and adds that "Public Citizen might well be unable and/or unwilling to provide [Satirical Charles] with representation until the resolution of such an extended course of litigation."

Carreon is further quoted in the complaint as telling Levy that he is "utterly disgusted to see the organization [Ralph Nader] founded leaping to the defense of someone who is in league with a person who has harnessed the lowest impulses of puerile, vituperative Internet youth to generate a Charitable Fund that has been used to bribe two major charities into tacitly endorsing a campaign that is utterly devoid of charitable purpose, and is a mere cover for a hate campaign."
     
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