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Mar 24, 2014, 06:47 PM
 
There is an excellent reason why escalators are for pedestrians only. Subway cars do not fit, and weigh too much.

They shouldn't allow subway drivers to drink on the job.
     
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Mar 24, 2014, 07:05 PM
 
The NTSB has told the local news the train was "going too fast".
     
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Mar 25, 2014, 12:13 AM
 
Kind of weird. I thought that the train is computer controlled to run at the same speed every time.
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Mar 25, 2014, 12:26 AM
 
I don't think ours has that. There is an auto-stop, but I'd guess it malfunctioned or wasn't installed in the "engine" car.
     
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Mar 25, 2014, 04:21 PM
 
The info thus far:

Most evidence points at the engineer being asleep.
The first car hit the final "interlock" before the station at 25mph, which is the the speed it's supposed to be going.
If it doesn't slow down past that interlock, "trip-arms" fly out to slow the train down. Not clear whether those tripped.

If whatever happened to launch the train up the escalator didn't happen, you would have had a bad accordion situation.

The best theory as to how that occurred is the trip-arms slowed the train down enough to make the sleeping engineer lurch forward. If her hand was on the throttle when that happened... zoom zoom.

Edit: the emergency brakes were engaged.
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Mar 25, 2014, 05:47 PM
 
We keep hearing about people paid to sleep on the job. Air traffic controllers, train operators, subway operators, FISC judges, TSA employees in the voyeur viewing room. Though from what I've read, they're more often couples making out than sleeping.

Still, how come we never get job offers like that? Sleep-at-work positions are always for someone elsewhere.
     
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Mar 25, 2014, 07:03 PM
 
We have lawsuit. We have lawsuit.
     
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Mar 25, 2014, 07:38 PM
 
Ding! Ding! Ding! Lawsuit number two.
     
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Mar 26, 2014, 03:52 PM
 
I like how they do a "wonder-twins, activate!" before fleeing.
     
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Mar 26, 2014, 04:18 PM
 
Huh, just noticed. The older guy fled directly away, like he can outrun a subway train. In the movies, the train would have continued a couple blocks, carried by magic inertia.

The security guard has the right idea. Flee sideways.

The driver is dang lucky that station wasn't full. They could have lost 20-30 people on the escalators, easy.
     
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Mar 26, 2014, 04:54 PM
 
That really pisses me off in movies. You have a superior turning radius. use it.

I'm looking at you, Prometheus.
     
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Mar 26, 2014, 09:11 PM
 
The guy fleeing for his life. In the wrong direction, who took time to pull his luggage with him. It better be his oxygen tank.
     
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Mar 27, 2014, 07:53 AM
 
I'm really interested to find out what the various investigations conclude on this. If the emergency brakes were engaged and the train still continued out of control, that could sort of point away from "sleeping engineer" and turn toward "engineer fighting the controls," which makes me happier. And with the various safeguards that seem to have failed, it's looking more (to me, anyway) as a technology problem, not a "sleeping engineer" problem.

Not to say there haven't been plenty of reasons to suspect the operator of sleeping on the job or otherwise being at fault, but there have also been plenty of reasons to suspect the operator of being a hero here, a la "Sully the Airline Pilot..."

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Mar 27, 2014, 08:23 AM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
That really pisses me off in movies. You have a superior turning radius. use it.

I'm looking at you, Prometheus.
That was a really bad part of the movie. If she was in a string bikini we could have forgiven the lack of common sense shown. Shame on you Mr Director.
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Mar 27, 2014, 02:01 PM
 
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That was a really bad part of the movie. If she was in a string bikini we could have forgiven the lack of common sense shown. Shame on you Mr Director.
Well, that scene had to compete against not sending any ****ing probes to the planet, taking off the helmet for your environment suit only because there's oxygen, deciding to play grabass with the first alien life form ever discovered, and, and...

That ridiculous looking guy in a rubber suit Alien at the end. Really? Really?


Edit: all that said, the opening sequence is still one of the most haunting scenes in cinema.
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Mar 27, 2014, 02:10 PM
 
@Glenn

I've been saying "the evidence appears" as shorthand for "the engineer was so rattled afterwards she flat-out admitted that's what happened, to the passengers, at the scene". Refreshing from a pursuit of truth perspective, but box of rocks dumb from a liability perspective. Her union, etc. are now all going with that story.

It has also surfaced this isn't the first time her sleeping on the job has occurred. She fell asleep before and blew through a stop.

The CTA used to have a fleet of drivers and engineers sit around on duty, and take over for absences. That cost too much, so they changed to an "on call" system. This is partially the result of that. She didn't have this as a regular route, and she didn't work a regular third shift.
     
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Mar 30, 2014, 11:27 AM
 
Asleep at the switch is still no excuse for multiple safety systems to fail. At the end of the line they should stop the train, report the engineer to the authorities, and then ring the BIGGEST ALARM IN THE WORLD right in the engineer's compartment. Instead they seem to have let her snooze while the train practiced gymnastics with an escalator.

I admit I was writing "in hopes" that there was something relatively benign going on, like the engineer fighting with the controls, but those hopes were slim at best. But I am a technical person at my core; safety systems don't deserve that name if they don't work at all, which is what seems to be the case here.

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Mar 30, 2014, 04:43 PM
 
That's why I'm pinning my hopes on the "lurch forward" scenario. While the safety systems should be able to handle any scenario, it sorta makes sense they weren't equipped to handle max throttle.
     
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Mar 30, 2014, 07:15 PM
 
Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
There is an excellent reason why escalators are for pedestrians only. Subway cars do not fit, and weigh too much.
I just wanted to ride the express elevator... oops, I mean, express escalator
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Mar 30, 2014, 07:20 PM
 
I don't want to be that guy, but isn't the train trying to take the stairs?
     
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Mar 31, 2014, 06:18 PM
 
Here is an exact quote from the union rep.

"C'mon, we've all dozed-off driving a train."

I don't think that's what he was trying to say, but that's what he said. I've heard the tape.
     
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Mar 31, 2014, 06:33 PM
 
I'm listening to this on the radio, hence hearing the tape of the quote, and a caller claiming to work for the CTA confirms the idea dozing-off while driving a train is fairly common.

Yow.

Not really a surprise I guess, but not something I want to think about too hard. I actually take the train fairly often.
     
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Mar 31, 2014, 10:45 PM
 
Here's more Whoopsie...







Amazingly, driver survived w/o scathe.

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Apr 1, 2014, 04:31 AM
 
Wow, that BMW driver sure is lucky. It seems that the crazy/drunk people on car chases almost always escape with minor injuries, while the innocent people always end of dying. Is there a study to confirm/acknowledge this?
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Apr 1, 2014, 09:28 PM
 
OK, that's certainly not going to buff out. And the upholstery is obviously a complete loss. It looks like an illustration for the driving edition of "Hold My Beer and Watch This!"

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That's some impressive air.
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