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Jun 22, 2014, 01:15 AM
 
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The mask looks great, as of the last pic. The goggle is chrome, which is the problem. Suggest you add the goggle, then do a little paint brushing on it to tone the chrome down, bring it closer to the mask.
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That's one of my potential branches of exploration. I'm pushing it lower on the list than I want to, since if I can maintain the peripheral vision the goggle provides, the singer may be willing to go "full zombie". That means contact lens with no pupil on the other eye, so totally blind in that eye. That and "tunnel vision" on the other eye is asking too much.
     
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Jun 22, 2014, 01:29 AM
 
Can we see a pic with the google in place?
     
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Jun 22, 2014, 01:47 AM
 
It'll only be after a fashion.

It's the one I posted a pic of earlier, but with yucky silver drybrushing and an even ickier black wash.

Also... somebody (I won't name names) hot glued a chopstick in the way.

Gimme a sec.
     
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Jun 22, 2014, 01:50 AM
 
The problem is less pronounced in this pic than it is in reality.

     
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Jun 22, 2014, 03:10 AM
 
I'm giving a shot to the "Metallic Silver", as opposed to the "Silver Metallic".

It's TOS Cyberman silver vs. current series Cyberman silver.
     
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Jun 22, 2014, 03:40 AM
 
Here's a few quick p/shop ideas. I think adding some gloss black is interesting.



     
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Jun 22, 2014, 10:14 AM
 
Can you sand the goggle to get it to have softer edges? Or clay it up a little? I like FA's rightmost mockup. Painting the bottom/top edges of the goggle black will also blend into the mask more and integrate them. Er, what GH said.
     
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Jun 22, 2014, 03:57 PM
 
You breathe on the goggle wrong and the mirror plating comes off.
     
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Jun 22, 2014, 04:19 PM
 
And unfortunately, extensive use of black is something the director expressly asked me not to do. I get the impression he'd rather have copper, despite the attendant thematic issues.

I have some hope for the bright silver. Big question is will the shit ever dry.

Thank you for the comps, Face Ache! They give me ideas...
     
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Jun 22, 2014, 05:46 PM
 
A "solution" may have just fallen into my lap.

These goggles are surprisingly variable. I have a pair which uses black, instead of blue, as the "smoke" color in the goggle, and said pair has almost no mirroring on the side.
     
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Jun 22, 2014, 10:33 PM
 
Tone down the goggle! If it's supposed to be somehow related to the rest of the appliance, it shouldn't have a lot of shine anyway. Think about something to set the goggle frame apart without making it seem totally alien to the rest of the gadget. One thing that came to my mind was the way something like a motorcycle exhaust pipe reacts to being heated - it takes on a variety of colors:

Note the colors around the Allen screws at the right... You can do that with a cheap airbrush and a variety of metallic colors, or even with the right colors of paint pens.

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Jun 22, 2014, 11:58 PM
 
I really like the exhaust discoloring idea, unfortunately I had the singer, unprompted, beg me not to cover any of the goggle.
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 12:21 AM
 
The quote was... "I'm very klutzy without my vision".
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 12:48 AM
 
This is my current favorite (replicable) basecoat with the black goggle.



Not all it needs by any stretch, but I feel the two work better together.
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 03:15 AM
 
I think modelling paint will get you closer to an actual metallic finish.
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 03:57 AM
 
Agreed on that. Zero airbrush experience though.

I'm thinking of trying copper by hand on just one of the plates to see how that works.

I think the overall key is making it appear it's made out of multiple types of material. Then the goggle is just "yet another material".


In that department, been working on the headtubes. Apparently nothing, be it paint or glue, wants to stick to them. I can deal with the first problem by filling it with paint. The second is tougher. I don't know how to plug them. Had hot glue seem to work on the first tube, but luckily I realized it wasn't before my cyborg had a "hydraulic leak". I could pinch them off in some fashion, but I'd like the holes going into the mask to be snug with the tubing. Pinching will make the diameter of the ends different than the hole I drill.

Cel Vinyl may stick to the tube, then they wouldn't need to be filled with actual liquid. I'd be worried about it separating from the inside of the tube and blowing the effect.

Now that I think about it... how the **** am I going to anchor in the tubes? Nothing wants to stick to them. I was contemplating hot glue cocoon, but now I think that may slip out.
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 04:10 AM
 
Chop off a bolt head, leaving a little bit of shaft. Poke the shaft into the tube, glue the bolt head to the mask.
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 04:56 AM
 
Sounds "yank-outable".
     
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Or dremel off the top of a cap nut (I'd do the lower one), drill a hole into the stub that's the same diameter as the hose, and put the hose in the hole.

Putting the paint in the tube is the way to go. Pour in, slosh about, drain.

Also, modelling paints come in small spray cans.
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 10:31 AM
 
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Sounds "yank-outable".
If you can't find a working adhesive, then you need a press fit. Not ideal, but friction can replace missing glue.

Choose a bolt with slightly larger diameter than the tube interior. If you do Face Ache's cap nut, drill the hole a hair smaller than the tube. Or use a threaded nut, with slightly smaller hole size, and thread it onto the tube end.

ps - besides direct glues, try MEK. It's a solvent, and will soften / fuse some plastics. If you could fuse the tube to a disc of nylon or PVC for example, then you might have luck gluing the disc to the mask.
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 03:39 PM
 
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Or dremel off the top of a cap nut (I'd do the lower one), drill a hole into the stub that's the same diameter as the hose, and put the hose in the hole.

Putting the paint in the tube is the way to go. Pour in, slosh about, drain.

Also, modelling paints come in small spray cans.
I'm all over those ideas, but none of them will work.

The plan always was to drill holes into the mask for the tubes, the problem is once I've put the tube through the hole, there's nothing holding it in. I can't hot glue it. The glue won't adhere.

Likewise, the plan was to fill up the tube with paint, slosh, let dry. The problem is nothing I've tried adheres to the tube. Paint, glue, nothing.
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 05:01 PM
 
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Also, modelling paints come in small spray cans.
But... not within the city limits.
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 05:19 PM
 
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I'm all over those ideas, but none of them will work.

The plan always was to drill holes into the mask for the tubes, the problem is once I've put the tube through the hole, there's nothing holding it in. I can't hot glue it. The glue won't adhere.

Likewise, the plan was to fill up the tube with paint, slosh, let dry. The problem is nothing I've tried adheres to the tube. Paint, glue, nothing.
Acrylic paint should adhere, I would have thought. You could mix some PVA glue with it.

Drill a hole the exact same size as the hose, or slightly smaller, and wedge the hose in. If in doubt, instant contact adhesive will hold that sucker in.
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 05:21 PM
 
Krazy Glue... of course!

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Jun 23, 2014, 05:42 PM
 
Now why didn't I suggest superglue?
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 06:25 PM
 
Annnnd... my putty doesn't adhere to the goggle. I sanded it first too.

Glad I checked before putting it in the mask. I think I can put something in hole for the strap, and then build a putty "ring" around that.
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 07:54 PM
 
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Now why didn't I suggest superglue?
Superglue probably wouldn't work well with anything flexible.

I use this stuff for almost everything...



Bonds almost instantly. Sticks anything to anything. Super strong and remains slightly flexible when dry.
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 08:14 PM
 
I may need it for the goggle...
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 09:21 PM
 
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This is my current favorite (replicable) basecoat with the black goggle.



Not all it needs by any stretch, but I feel the two work better together.
The goggle doesn't really stand out like a sore thumb, as it seemed to in your earlier description. Still, it might look more like a unit if you used the base coat on the parts of the goggle lens that touch the rest of the piece, and then maybe the next level closer to the actual lens could have some cool exhaust pipe colors, leaving the actual lens (I'm assuming the side of the goggle is transparent from inside) just that shiny black. Just a thought...

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Jun 23, 2014, 09:30 PM
 
Here's a paint tester for the "multiple material" look. It's not finished, but I like it. However, not integrating well with a piece of plastic.



My wash was pretty hardcore.


I'm with you Glenn. I'm seeing what I can do to the goggle itself right now. I'm worried it won't take paint.
     
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Jun 23, 2014, 09:53 PM
 
The goggle may cut it if I paint the "V" (or "less than") shape on the side of the goggle, and then give it the brutal wash.

I'm painting a tester which has the goggle part cut out with the above paint job so I can see for sure.
     
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Jun 24, 2014, 12:05 AM
 
Lost me with the copper. That's a soft metal and no good for cyborg zombie construction, no matter what your stupid director says.

I think the trick is to separate the eye, rather than try to integrate it. Make it stand out by putting a darker (almost black lol) colour around the outside of it.
     
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Jun 24, 2014, 01:14 AM
 
Well, ****...

I added more.



Looks like she runs a little sooty, too.
     
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Jun 24, 2014, 02:32 AM
 
Also, I'm pretty sure it's Necrotaniumâ„¢, which just happens to look like copper.
     
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Jun 24, 2014, 03:14 AM
 
They have that shade at the dark art supply store.
     
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Jun 24, 2014, 09:35 AM
 
I've worked a good 13-14 hours on the test painting stage. Time to call it a day.

Here's tester MkII:




With goggle:



This may actually work...
     
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Jun 24, 2014, 12:51 PM
 
Digging the copper.
     
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Jun 24, 2014, 06:13 PM
 
Thank you!
     
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Jun 24, 2014, 06:39 PM
 
Director digs it! He actually wants the tester instead of whatever I'm going to paint tomorrow.
     
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Jun 24, 2014, 11:31 PM
 
Ironically, I kinda don't like it in terms of the "beats" it's hitting WRT the band.

Now, if it was supposed to be a Fallout cyborg, I'd say I knocked it out of the ****ing park.
     
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Jun 25, 2014, 12:29 AM
 
Things are starting to get tight. Final rehearsal is Thursday night. Show is on Friday. We need to do a full application of a 95% finished product at the rehearsal and hopefully work out any kinks.

Since I can relax a little about the paint job, it's back to headtubes.

The minimum nut the tube fits through is ¼", which is ginormous. I'm trying to devise some type of fake headtube boot.

I'm stymied for a protective coating for the whole mask. It really needs some form of protection, if only to make it feasible to remove makeup which gets on it. The whole band wears whiteface. Cyborg zombies included.


Edit: I would like to note today would have been more productive if I didn't have to drive the **** out of the city to buy spray paint.
     
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Jun 25, 2014, 01:38 AM
 
Headtube boot idea number one:

Heat shrink tubing, which pokes out of maybe a centimeter's worth of spring I just happen to find of exactly 3/16" ID.

At least in general, I think the heat shrink tubing will have application to this. May act as something grippy I can put on the vinyl tubing and then anchor off of that.

I'm going to have to go on a wider search for instant contact cement. All I could find at the hardware store was the non-instant kind. I need something instant for the goggle. Can't think of a way to have it stay in the same place for drying once it's placed. It's going to need to be set and use.
     
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Jun 25, 2014, 02:29 AM
 
Headtube placement test.





Edit: No dice on snug fitting heat shrink tubing.
     
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Jun 26, 2014, 01:11 AM
 
T-minus about 7 or 8 hours before I need the mask painted, and dry enough to handle for the fitting of the goggle.

I've given up on using adhesives. I'm going to use the guts of some parachute cord and wrap them around the hole for the strap. Then, I twist the guts through the putty. I figure at worst, I get a loose goggle in the future, which is a vast improvement of having it suddenly fall off.
     
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Jun 26, 2014, 05:24 AM
 
Pre-wash paint job. Following the same pattern as the two testers.

     
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Jun 26, 2014, 10:57 AM
 
This is it. I'm calling it. Time to drive out and fit the goggle.

     
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Jun 26, 2014, 02:17 PM
 
Goggle's on. I had to do it at a farmer's market, so I was a little under the gun. I hope it stayed in place while I transferred it to my car.
     
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Jun 26, 2014, 05:58 PM
 
Spotted in the wild!

     
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