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Mar 24, 2016, 04:07 PM
 
I just walked by a Civic. It didn't seem particularly "nose out". Weird.
     
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Oh yeah, the Mini is 35.4', right there with everything else.
     
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Mar 24, 2016, 04:57 PM
 
Yeah... for whatever reason I felt a spatial awareness problem in the Civic I haven't experienced in other cars.
     
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Mar 24, 2016, 05:27 PM
 
I like Civics because they make it easy to check the calibration of my motorcycle speedometers on the highway.

     
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The way the dash was set up exacerbated the spatial awareness problem. It made the windshield feel really far away.
     
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Mar 24, 2016, 08:00 PM
 
That makes sense. I don't particularly like the old dashboards either - feel a bit gimmicky to me. The 2016 is the new redesign and is super nice I must say. I'm generally a Japanese car guy - but almost all of the compact class is pretty stellar nowadays.
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Mar 26, 2016, 08:07 PM
 
I guess she's gotten over the parking hump, and has bumped her budget up to $15K.

She has her eyes set on an A3, but that seems just a touch out of range. I peg that as a car for a $20K budget. Personally, I don't like them, because my knee rubs against the center column.

I've got more dog transport happening, so this Tuesday I've got a Mazda3 all day.
     
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Mar 26, 2016, 10:05 PM
 
Audi. Solid cars, though I'd put their reliability below BMW (mostly for small things, I've noticed, but those add up and can become a PITA). $15k definitely puts her into a nice Mazdaspeed3, which is a very fun little hot hatch. Used Mazda MAZDASPEED3 For Sale Chicago, IL - CarGurus
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Mar 26, 2016, 11:04 PM
 
Any opinion on the plain Mazda3s? Looks like she could get one with low miles and plenty of warranty left.

I'm sure it's not as fun as the Mazdaspeed, but is perhaps more fun than comparable cars?
     
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Mar 26, 2016, 11:45 PM
 
The CarGurus listings for the 3 are interesting.

Tons of 150hp "i" models, but almost no 180hp "s" models between 2010 and 2015.

People must like them.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
Any opinion on the plain Mazda3s? Looks like she could get one with low miles and plenty of warranty left.

I'm sure it's not as fun as the Mazdaspeed, but is perhaps more fun than comparable cars?
Stay away from the MazdaSpeed. For a generic "I'd like a sporty car" person, it's a terrible choice. Harsh suspension, low ground clearance, and absolutely garbage gas mileage. They're only available with a six speed manual, and the clutch is heavy. It's a car for enthusiasts that know what they're getting into, not a normal person who thinks they want a sporty car.

$15k would get you into a higher mileage second generation (2010-2013) model at best, which is totally out of warranty. No way I'd recommend a non-car person buy a turbocharged, "highly-tuned", sporty car that far out of warranty. You're asking for trouble.

The regular 3 would be fine there, and 15k would get you decently equipped and low milage, though the interiors look and feel cheap (if you're picky about that sort of thing).
     
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Audi. Solid cars, though I'd put their reliability below BMW
I know you hate data, and I profusely apologize for bringing it up in a conversation about...data.



Audi is up there, though Audi can either go better or worse than a Mazda.
     
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Mar 27, 2016, 10:17 PM
 
Yep, that exactly mirrors my experience (with an exhaustive, absolutely representative pool of one Audi and one BMW)



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I know you hate data, and I profusely apologize for bringing it up in a conversation about...data.
I wasn't about data, but thanks?
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Yep, that exactly mirrors my experience (with an exhaustive, absolutely representative pool of one Audi and one BMW)

Mechanically they've been fine for me, it's all the peripheral systems and electronic gizmos that crapped out (I'm pretty sure that's what I said... yep, it is).
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Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
Yep, that exactly mirrors my experience (with an exhaustive, absolutely representative pool of one Audi and one BMW)



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I wasn't about data
Yes we know.
     
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Yes we know.
Feeling schizophrenic today?
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Mar 28, 2016, 08:52 PM
 
Ooo ooo! Do that thing where you accuse me of doing drugs! That was super effective and a valid argument tactic!
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Yes we know.
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Feeling schizophrenic today?
Schizophrenia is commonly mistaken for multiple personality disorder, it is in no way a related condition.

Secondly, there are many studies that conclude the exact opposite of the one you posted, that THC inducing schizophrenia in people is bunk and an old wives tale.
     
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Mar 28, 2016, 10:47 PM
 
Or, she could just do what I did.........buy a 12-year-old Honda Civic for a few thousand bucks and drive it into the ground. Of course, like I said it only made sense because I was willing to put some elbow grease into maintenance and stumbling around trying to do my own work.

Anyway, my personal anecdotal non-data opinion is to stick to a Honda or Subaru. I love both of mine, haha.
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Schizophrenia is commonly mistaken for multiple personality disorder, it is in no way a related condition.
"Feeling like you have multiple personality disorder today?" doesn't have the same ring to it.

Secondly, there are many studies that conclude the exact opposite of the one you posted, that THC inducing schizophrenia in people is bunk and an old wives tale.
The pro-pot lobby wants everyone to believe it can cure anything and the anti-pot groups, including the feds, want us to believe the opposite. It's mostly propaganda on both sides.
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Mar 29, 2016, 05:34 AM
 
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It's mostly propaganda on both sides.
Sort of like this thread.
     
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Mar 29, 2016, 08:37 AM
 
The Mazda3 interior doesn't feel so much "cheap" as "non existent". My van feels like it has more frills.
     
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Mar 29, 2016, 09:57 AM
 
Haven't driven for very long, but I think those extra horses in the s model would bump it from "perfectly serviceable" to "fun".
     
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Mar 29, 2016, 10:00 AM
 
I do like the hood-to-ass ratio.
     
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Mar 29, 2016, 10:21 AM
 
Sedan or hatch?
     
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Not hatch.
     
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Mar 29, 2016, 11:23 AM
 
I'm going to tell her to check this one out.



50K miles, but with the all-important extra horses.
     
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Mar 29, 2016, 12:15 PM
 
I like the hatch.

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"Feeling like you have multiple personality disorder today?" doesn't have the same ring to it.
The constant mis-representation of the illness doesn't do those who suffer from it any good. I have an uncle with paranoid schizophrenia, and another Uncle had it but he passed away several years ago. Once he (passed away uncle) brought his car in for routine service and eventually was pressured into buying a new car due to his extreme paranoia and anxiety. Luckily my grandfather (WWII Vet) stormed into the dealership and made those opportunistic ****s reverse the deal.

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The pro-pot lobby wants everyone to believe it can cure anything and the anti-pot groups, including the feds, want us to believe the opposite. It's mostly propaganda on both sides.
As with most things that devolve into extremes the truth lies comfortably somewhere in the middle.
     
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We ordered a pair of Tesla Model 3s for the office, to replace the company cars (a Infiniti G37 sedan and a much-reviled Honda Odyssey). Easy decision at @$29k each. Wow, Tesla's going to sell a lot of them, aren't they?

The official unveil is tonight, BTW. https://model3.tesla.com/
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Mar 31, 2016, 10:55 PM
 
Just for entertainment value, predict when one will be able to get one for $15K used.
     
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https://model3.tesla.com/

$15k used? 5 years?
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Mar 31, 2016, 11:09 PM
 
Interesting. I thought maybe they'd hold their value a little longer.
     
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Mar 31, 2016, 11:18 PM
 
I don't believe it'll be quite like the Model S for resale value, which haven't depreciated much at all, because there'll be so many more of them.

Now I'll 3 of their 4 models (no interest in an X).
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They're seriously adorable. I'm betting they'll look more "Apple" than the Apple car.

The Tesla Model 3 arrives with 215 miles of range for $35,000
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I like it, but the lack of grille makes it look like the car equivalent of a Ken doll.
     
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I like it, but the lack of grille makes it look like the car equivalent of a Ken doll.
That's because electric grills suck. Gas powered, FTW

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This was what I was talking about earlier. They're out there and you can find them if you're patient.

2001 BMW 330Ci conv, 5-spd, M sport pack, 75k miles: $7000 (he took $6500 cash)



Pluses:
everything works (for real)
straight body w/o dents, 8/10 paint (garage kept)
interior is clean w/o tears, 7/10
service is up to date w/ all records, no fluid leaks, clean Carfax
75% tread on Michelin Pilot SS tires, and a recent alignment (no strange wear)
drives and sounds the business

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aftermarket Koni coilover shocks, anti-roll bars and braces (driven by boyracer?)
K&N cold air intake (yeah, boyracer, though OEM is included)
exhaust noise valve is jammed open with a golf tee (heh)
has the original top (though it doesn't leak and looks okay)
numerous interior bits and bobs upgraded with M3 parts, including shifter and steering wheel

Overall though, it's a very nice car for the $ and at least he didn't dink with the engine.
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For a non-enthusiast on a budget's only car? Stay the **** away from that.
     
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We ordered a pair of Tesla Model 3s for the office, to replace the company cars (a Infiniti G37 sedan and a much-reviled Honda Odyssey). Easy decision at @$29k each. Wow, Tesla's going to sell a lot of them, aren't they?

The official unveil is tonight, BTW. https://model3.tesla.com/
Why the hate for the Odyssey? It's by far the best-driving minivan I've ever driven, and I've done a lot of ski trips so I've tried almost all of them. If I was driving enough people to warrant a minivan, it's the one I'd pick.

I'm out on the Model 3, although I was initially interested. Unless it's a second driver or daily commuter, the range really isn't good enough IMO, at least for here in Canada. About 3 hours of driving, and likely a lot less than that in winter temperatures? I like my road trips far too much to have such a limitation.
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I like my road trips far too much to have such a limitation.
Yeah, for the time being, electric vehicles are commuter cars only.

I wouldn't wanna do a road trip with it. The hassle of having to meticuleasly plan each recharging stop would annoy me.

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For a non-enthusiast on a budget's only car? Stay the **** away from that.
Why would a non-car enthusiast buy it in the first place? Anyway, what you do is buy the car and put back $3500, as if you actually paid $10000. You'd be hard pressed to find anything else that nice, that drives that well, for $10k.

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Why the hate for the Odyssey? It's by far the best-driving minivan I've ever driven, and I've done a lot of ski trips so I've tried almost all of them. If I was driving enough people to warrant a minivan, it's the one I'd pick.

I'm out on the Model 3, although I was initially interested. Unless it's a second driver or daily commuter, the range really isn't good enough IMO, at least for here in Canada. About 3 hours of driving, and likely a lot less than that in winter temperatures? I like my road trips far too much to have such a limitation.
They hate the thing, to the point they won't use it. So might as well ditch it and get something else. At most they do ~150mi /day, so the range is fine (they'll have an ER version too, for a little more, that will raise it up to 260).
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I mean, if I didn't really need to drive a minivan, I wouldn't. And I don't.

If I needed to comfortably haul family or office friends on a daily basis, and/or take regular road trips with lots of gear, I'd be all over the Odyssey. It's as sexy as a minivan can get at this point, it drives like much less of a boat than other minivans, and it's super comfortable. We borrowed one for a 11-hour ski trip to Quebec this winter - 4 people and ski gear for all 8 of us, and it was fantastic.
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Why would a non-car enthusiast buy it in the first place?
You're the one making the recommendation in a thread asking for recommendations for a car for a non-car enthusiast.

Anyway, what you do is buy the car and put back $3500, as if you actually paid $10000. You'd be hard pressed to find anything else that nice, that drives that well, for $10k.
And after two years when that $3500 has disappeared due to maintenance and repairs, what then?
     
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Yeah, for the time being, electric vehicles are commuter cars only.

I wouldn't wanna do a road trip with it. The hassle of having to meticuleasly plan each recharging stop would annoy me.

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Fifty-seven percent of US households have two or more cars. The average commuter does 25 miles per day averaging 25 miles per hour.

Those two+ vehicle households could VERY EASILY replace one car with a Tesla, or heck, even a Leaf. For those once a month road trips, take the regular car.
     
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Chapter 8 Household Vehicles and Characteristics - Transportation Energy Data Book

Fifty-seven percent of US households have two or more cars. The average commuter does 25 miles per day averaging 25 miles per hour.

Those two+ vehicle households could VERY EASILY replace one car with a Tesla, or heck, even a Leaf. For those once a month road trips, take the regular car.
Sure. Charging is the bigger problem. Not every household with two cars has a garage or dedicated car port.

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You're the one making the recommendation in a thread asking for recommendations for a car for a non-car enthusiast.
Wants a GTI, shops manuals, she IS a car enthusiast. You're already hitting it that early in the day? Good for you.

And after two years when that $3500 has disappeared due to maintenance and repairs, what then?
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She saw a CX-3, and now wants to take out a loan.

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