[Eug]

OK, what will we look for to justify an upgrade? For me:

iMovie 3:
1) More supported file types for video and audio imports. iMovie 2 won't accept MPEG-2 files for instance.
2) Proper JPEG support. iMovie 2 still has the irritating file TYPE limitation which means it can't handle tons of JPEGs out there. This MUST be corrected.
3) Proper OS X standard compliant menu bar.
4) Export to .DV function, but on the hard drive. I don't see the logic of having .dv export only to tapes, especially when iMovie will import .dv files

iDVD 3:
1) Chapter support
2) Increase the file types supported. The ability to import audio and video files separately instead of having to pre-mux them.
3) Ability to burn to DVD-RW without the famous iDVD trick.
4) Ability to save completed VIDEO_TS folders without burning a DVD.

iPhoto 2:
1) Increased stability
2) Increased stability
3) Cleaner WYSIWYG for books
4) Ability to save backups directly, complete with the original filenames.

If necessary I'd be willing to pay for iMovie Pro 3 and iDVD Pro 3.

[Phanguye]

iPhoto 2:
1) Increased stability
2) Increased stability
3) Faster Startup
4) Faster Response when you try to do anything
4) iTunes-like file naming

[mishap]

i just want iPhoto to run faster (with 1000+ photos) and maybe some more organizing options with colors etc.

i dont want the burn photo cd feature.

I use FCP not iMovie and i dont have a dvd-burner so iDVD is usesless...

and i will not pay $50 for iPhoto if the only feature it has that i want is to run at a decent speed.

[Eug]

Originally posted by mishap:
i just want iPhoto to run faster (with 1000+ photos) and maybe some more organizing options with colors etc.

Yeah, I never really noticed the slowdowns in iPhoto as much as some of you, because I find iPhoto too unstable and restricting to warrant dumping that many photos into it and leaving the photos there.

I end up just loading 100 photos into it, doing what I need to do, and then deleting them again.

ie. After usage my iPhoto image database is always empty.

[clarkgoble]

I hate how iMovie puts a window that fills up the entire screen and goes under the Dock, obscuring various commands. Why not use regular OSX windows?

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by clarkgoble:
I hate how iMovie puts a window that fills up the entire screen and goes under the Dock, obscuring various commands. Why not use regular OSX windows?

Trust me it is so much better this way. With video apps screen real estate is precious and most screens are 1024 x 768.

Premier and after effects are a cluttered mess of multiple windows. Guess that is one of the reasons FCP is beating them.

Why do you need the dock showing when in iMovie?

[Eug]

Actually, iMovie's handling of windows is not very ergonomic. iMovie is good in that everything is in one window, but the fact that one cannot resize that window is very irritating.

Furthermore if you're running dual screen, iMovie only seems to want to reside on the screen with the menubar. What this means is that anything on the desktop cannot be dragged into iMovie with iMovie open, since of course, iMovie is covering them up.

iMovie solves the the dock problem by forcing it to hide, but this seems like a bit of a hack solution. Cool, but unnecessary IMO.

iDVD is a self-contained Window that you can move anywhere, so it's convenient to move around the screen.

DVD Studio Pro has the problem of a bazillion Windows, but the benefit is you can either hide individual windows or else move the windows to the second screen.

iMovie offers no such choice. iMovie doesn't have a hide button either. The only way to hide it is COMMAND-OPTION-H or selecting it from the menubar.

ie. iMovie breaks Apple's own Aqua conventions, and iMovie breaks Apple's recommendations for cross-platform file compatibility (with its inability to recognize certain files which should be recognized).

If iMovie 3 were to correct these problems it would be a major improvement.

By the way, I'm running iMovie 2.1.2, which weirdly enough is more recent than the latest version listed for sale at Apple.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by Eug:
Furthermore if you're running dual screen, iMovie only seems to want to reside on the screen with the menubar. What this means is that anything on the desktop cannot be dragged into iMovie with iMovie open, since of course, iMovie is covering them up.

Trust me man, anyone with Dual monitors should not be using iMovie, they SHOULD be using final cut pro, but they are too cheap to.

I was very impressed that iMovie hides the dock. What other alternative is there? Leave it visible and waste that much screen space, that practically takes up all the space of the sound options.

[undotwa]

I want a faster, more stable iPhoto with simple-to sophisticated photo editing functions. Not anything spectacular but maybe on the level of AppleWorks with additional photo tools.

iTunes, hmm can't really say anything. It does everything I want it to.

And iMovie, never use it.

iDVD, never touched it.

I want more functions in TextEdit (tables, text vertical alignment next to images, image wrap, 'content boxes', and geometric tools.

Sketch I found to be so useful, I wonder, why don't they just ship it with Mac OS X?

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by undotwa:


iTunes, hmm can't really say anything. It does everything I want it to.

I just want redevous support.

[ARENA]

iPhoto 2 NEEDS to be more responsive and startap -and quit- faster.
Improved stability it's also a must, since it randomly crashes every now and then.

[Sebastien]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Trust me man, anyone with Dual monitors should not be using iMovie, they SHOULD be using final cut pro, but they are too cheap to.

They're not too cheap, they bought a Mac afterall, didn't they? (and an extra monitor)

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by Sebastien:
They're not too cheap, they bought a Mac afterall, didn't they? (and an extra monitor)

They are to cheap to pay for software and rather have a CONSUMER LEVEL APP have Pro features.


Better?

[Eug]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
They are to cheap to pay for software and rather have a CONSUMER LEVEL APP have Pro features.

I am a consumer, editing home movies, not a Hollywood pro editing a feature film. Thus, I don't feel like spending CAD$1600 for a pro app to edit video of my nephew playing hockey or my friend's baby puking.

And how is asking for a resizable window asking for pro features?

[LeeG]

iChat:
-larger text entry window (without hack)
-add other netowrks - ICQ, yahoo, msn (right)

iPhoto
-more rudimentary editing options (like the red eye reduction), not photoshop esque stuff, just simple consumer modifications
-Rendezvous support - I want my G4 photo library to show up on my airport tibook donwstairs
-itunes like id3 tags
-Menu option - "Add to address book entry" where a presized selection square appears that you can click over a photo and have address book launch and ask who you want that picture to associate with - its hard to add photos now to adress book - well not hard, just tedious

iDVD
-chapter support
-chapter support
-chapter support

iTunes
-AAC support
-Rendezvous support - I want my G4 tunes to show up on my airport tibook donwstairs

iCal
-Don't know, its one I don't really use - seems kinda lame and boring, who knows...
- Oh, maybe better integration with cell phones/SMS/Pagers??

iMovie
- Don't know, I don't use it, I pay for a better alternative (FCP).

iSync
- Support for the
Upcoming Nokia 3650

Yeah, uh, I guess I would be happy if that was all announced.

Otherwise I am switching to windows.



Lee

[scottiB]

iMovie:

• an addtional video and two audio tracks with greater fading control--some say this infringes too much on FCP (which I'm learning), but I think there's an obvious difference between 2 and 99 video tracks.
• like others, having a resizable window

iDVD: chapters!!!!

iPhoto: I don't use it much, so I'll say speed.

[tikki]

I just want iPhoto to be responsive even though I have about 500 pictures in my database. It's painful to use now.

[niji]

iPhoto:
i like this app very much. i dont need much else, actually. i do all heavy photo editing in other apps.

the feature that i would kill for is for iPhoto to be able to burn onto a cd a folder of photos AND a kind of "iPhoto Viewer" that allows even windows users to be able to see an iPhoto slide show, including the music.

thnx

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by Eug:
I am a consumer, editing home movies, not a Hollywood pro editing a feature film. Thus, I don't feel like spending CAD$1600 for a pro app to edit video of my nephew playing hockey or my friend's baby puking.

And how is asking for a resizable window asking for pro features?

Well if you are editing hockey games and baby puking you sure as hell don't need pro features like dual monitors.

Did I say anything about resizeable windows being something only for pro apps?

[DeathMan]

Originally posted by undotwa:

iTunes, hmm can't really say anything. It does everything I want it to.

how about ogg support for the geeks.

I too would like AAC as well. More than ogg. Both would be great.

Other than that I guess they could reduce CPU usage a little, got a little out of hand with my iBook. My dual 500's never max out, so I guess its not an issue for some. Its more of the principal, I guess.

I chat could be a little more customizable. Does it work with icq yet? It would be nice if it worked with other groups all within the same service. Like you don't even notice that they're on different services. Or even be able to make it a chat style where you, your yahoo friends and your icq friends and you mac friends could all talk together seemlessly.

I movie is cool. I would also like to see and extra track. Or just buy final cut, I guess. I'm a student still for a few months. $300 vs $1000, I might go for it.

iPhoto could be faster, iDVD is cool for what it is. I wish it would allow you to use other burners, though. thats jacked up.

I'd upgrade if they have decent new features. Otherwise I wont.

[Nexus5]

iPhoto 2: Faster, faster, faster and support for ordering prints in europe!

nexus5.

[Sven G]

In general, for all iApps:

A series of plug-ins (similar to the "KDE Parts" concept) which allow elementary, "Lite" functionality to be used directly in the Finder (preview, etc.).

In particular:

For iTunes (QuickTime): full Ogg Vorbis support.

For iDVD: complete support also for external FireWire/USB 2 burners.

(Etc., etc...)

[Troll]

iMovie
1) Stability in the OSX version. I've had a lot of crashes where I've lost the whole movie! Very irritating.
2) Better audio editing capabilities. It's always a guess as to where to cut the audio.
3) I would like to be able to put the viewing window on my TV to see what it'll look like in final version.
4) Can I get some of the unused space on my PowerBook monitor back please? What's with the huge gap between the clips and the viewing window?
5) Better support for jpegs as someone else said.
6) Better support for mp3's - I often have to convert them to AIFF's before they work.


I loved iMovie in OS9, but I wouldn't pay for the OSX version in the state it's in now. I find myself continuously backing up my project file just in case it crashes again.

[MickS]

iPhoto:

• Speed
• Photo and book support outside the North American continent
• Speed
• Ability to move chunks of the library into 'offline' storage (burn to CD/DVD with all iPhoto information)
• Did I mention speed?

iDVD:

• Work with non-Apple DVD-R drives (if this is a licensing/cost issue then charge enough for it).

iMovie:

• Ability to see the audio waveform to be able to make edits easier.

I don't really care about iMovie anymore though as I've made the investment in FCP

[Toyin]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Well if you are editing hockey games and baby puking you sure as hell don't need pro features like dual monitors.

Did I say anything about resizeable windows being something only for pro apps?

I'm sure dual monitors are used only by video professionals. Forget about DTP applications, Photoshop, Flash, Maya...etc

[Chun Hsu]

Originally posted by LeeG:

iDVD
-chapter support
-chapter support
-chapter support

Lee [/B]

Yes! I would pay for that feature. Also I would like to see support for DVD-RW. You can trick iDVD into doing it, but Apple should support it directly. I would also like iDVD to be able to write to a disk image so that it's easier to make multiple copies of a DVD. I guess they won't do that since it would make it easier to use a third-party DVD burner.

Writing to DV is not very useful since DV cannot store menu information.

[Eug]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Well if you are editing hockey games and baby puking you sure as hell don't need pro features like dual monitors.

Gimme a break. Everyone and their dog these days has dual monitors. And this has nothing to do with iMovie being pro or not anyway, since multiple monitor support is a function of the OS.

Indeed, I'd say burning a DVD Video (iDVD) is way more "pro" than just using two monitors.

Originally posted by niji:
iPhoto:
i like this app very much. i dont need much else, actually. i do all heavy photo editing in other apps.

the feature that i would kill for is for iPhoto to be able to burn onto a cd a folder of photos AND a kind of "iPhoto Viewer" that allows even windows users to be able to see an iPhoto slide show, including the music.

iPhoto can already do this. Just export it as a QuickTime movie. QuickTime 6 viewer for Windows is a free download.

I'd have to say that the QuickTime viewer on the PC side isn't the greatest software in the world, but at least it works for this purpose.

Originally posted by Chun Hsu:
Yes! I would pay for that feature. Also I would like to see support for DVD-RW. You can trick iDVD into doing it, but Apple should support it directly. I would also like iDVD to be able to write to a disk image so that it's easier to make multiple copies of a DVD. I guess they won't do that since it would make it easier to use a third-party DVD burner.

What I do to make extra copies later is either to just copy the disc in its entirety with Disk Copy, or else just copy the VIDEO_TS folder over and reburn a DVD-R with Toast.

[JLL]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Well if you are editing hockey games and baby puking you sure as hell don't need pro features like dual monitors.

Is it a pro feature to have the ability to MOVE the app to the second monitor?

[JLL]

Originally posted by Eug:

ie. iMovie breaks Apple's own Aqua conventions, and iMovie breaks Apple's recommendations for cross-platform file compatibility (with its inability to recognize certain files which should be recognized).

iMovie 2 is still a kind of Pre-Mac OS X app ported from Mac OS 9.

[Eug]

Originally posted by JLL:
iMovie 2 is still a kind of Pre-Mac OS X app ported from Mac OS 9.

Yeah, I hope they get it right with version 3.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by Eug:
Gimme a break. Everyone and their dog these days has dual monitors. And this has nothing to do with iMovie being pro or not anyway, since multiple monitor support is a function of the OS.

Take a poll. Out of all the Mac users I know and all the design companies I have worked with you are the ONLY person I personally know with dual monitors.

iMovie is consmer level app.

Consumer level computers:

iMac CRT (no dual monitor support)
iMac LCD (no dual monitor support)
eMac (no dual monitor support)
iBook (no dual monitor support)

Pro Computers:

TiBook (dual monitor support)
G4 Tower (dual monitor support)

Anyone that NEEDS those computers should be pro users and in that case also don't mind spending the money on FCP because they NEED it.

[JLL]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Anyone that NEEDS those computers should be pro users and in that case also don't mind spending the money on FCP because they NEED it.

OK, so Pro users don't mind throwing $1,000 after something they really don't need?

If I have an app that does everything i need except having it on my second monitor (like every other app is capable of), I certainly don't want to pay $1,000!

[Gankdawg]

Originally posted by tikki:
I just want iPhoto to be responsive even though I have about 500 pictures in my database. It's painful to use now.

I have over 2600 photos and it's even more painful. Actually it's PAINFUL. I finally just bought Elements 2 so am learning it. Love the simplicty of iPhoto though and it would be great for my wife to use if Apple would ever optimize it.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by JLL:
OK, so Pro users don't mind throwing $1,000 after something they really don't need?

If I have an app that does everything i need except having it on my second monitor (like every other app is capable of), I certainly don't want to pay $1,000!

What are you talking about? If you are a Pro user and you do pro video work no way in hell would you even launch iMovie.

[JLL]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
What are you talking about? If you are a Pro user and you do pro video work no way in hell would you even launch iMovie.

People might be pro users with two monitors, but that don't mean that they are pro VIDEO users.

Please read the posts again.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by JLL:
People might be pro users with two monitors, but that don't mean that they are pro VIDEO users.

Please read the posts again.

Bingo, if they are not pro video users then they don't need FCP. You said it man.

[JLL]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Bingo, if they are not pro video users then they don't need FCP. You said it man.

Yes, but we do want to have the iMovie window placed on the second monitor (like every other app is capable of).

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by JLL:
Yes, but we do want to have the iMovie window placed on the second monitor (like every other app is capable of).

I am not so sure that Apple is sweating over the fact that all 3 of you that have duals and want to use iMovie on the second monitor.

[JLL]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
I am not so sure that Apple is sweating over the fact that all 3 of you that have duals and want to use iMovie on the second monitor.

I give up

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by JLL:
I give up

Good, now that only leaves 2 of you that want dual monitor support on iMovie.

[kupan787]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
I am not so sure that Apple is sweating over the fact that all 3 of you that have duals and want to use iMovie on the second monitor.

Maybe you are just completly retarded, and if you are I am sorry for you. You know you are wrong, admit it. If someone wants to run iMovie on their second monitor, why should they have to buy FCP? That still doesn't solve their problem. Once they buy FCP, iMovie doesn't magically work on the second monitor. FCP is very different from iMovie, so they would have to relearn the program.

I must have missed the memo that cme around saying that if I have a "Pro" machine, I have to use the "Pro" apps. I also must have missed the memo that making a feature request earns you eternal damnation. If someone has a feature request, dont tell them to buy the Pro verison. That is ridiculous.

[clarkgoble]

I'd like nested playlists in iTunes. Perhaps a record feature for recording radio stations.

For iMovie, I just started using it. The lack of a resizable window is my big thing. Perhaps if they are going to start charging easier manipulation of other kinds of video feeds. My brother has a digital camera that can also record short video onto its memory card. Yet iMovie won't work with it.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by kupan787:
Maybe you are just completly retarded, and if you are I am sorry for you. You know you are wrong, admit it. If someone wants to run iMovie on their second monitor, why should they have to buy FCP? That still doesn't solve their problem. Once they buy FCP, iMovie doesn't magically work on the second monitor. FCP is very different from iMovie, so they would have to relearn the program.

I must have missed the memo that cme around saying that if I have a "Pro" machine, I have to use the "Pro" apps. I also must have missed the memo that making a feature request earns you eternal damnation. If someone has a feature request, dont tell them to buy the Pro verison. That is ridiculous.

You're grumpy cuz you can't pirate FCP aren't you

[Eug]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Good, now that only leaves 2 of you that want dual monitor support on iMovie.

Actually, all I want is proper single monitor support.

Given you are the first to complain about Microsoft's deficiencies with their Carbon ports, I find it surprising you are so quick to defend Apple's problems with their Carbon ports. But I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you simply don't understand, so I'm providing you examples of what I'm talking about:

Take a look at these SINGLE screens. First, 1024x768:



Then, 1280x854:



Notice all the empty space? That is permanently empty because iMovie does not allow one to resize any of the windows inside it, nor does it allow one to resize the whole app. It other words, use iMovie with any screen over 1024x768, and you're wasting much of your desktop space.

Also, notice the dearth of Aqua buttons. You can't even hide the app without entering the menubar or using a keyboard shortcut.

None of this would be an issue if Apple simply used it's own Aqua recommendations and had iMovie's windows behave like any other app's.

Consumer level computers:

iMac CRT (no dual monitor support)
iMac LCD (no dual monitor support)
eMac (no dual monitor support)
iBook (no dual monitor support)

Pro Computers:

TiBook (dual monitor support)
G4 Tower (dual monitor support)

That's baloney and you know it. Every PowerMac user and every TiBook user is a "pro" video guy/gal? Hell, the low end PowerMac dual 867 with combo drive is only US$1699, hardly the same thing as a "pro" $4600 machine.

And anyways, most iBook users seem to want dual monitor spanning capabilities. If they didn't, there wouldn't be a bazillion posts about it every day in the iBook forum. Fortunately for them, there is now a firmware hack available allowing them this function. And of course, LOTS of people are using it.

[Jellytussle]

All the 'database' iApps to offer easy 'Consumer-Level' shared access from multiple accounts. iPhoto won't even let you move its default directory. I've had to use symlinks, the -loginhook call in /etc/ttys, and a shell script; just so my missus can get to our library of pics.

Eject button in iPhoto so i don't have to remember to drag the CF card icon to the trash in the Finder.

Speed holes.

[Eriamjh]

I have only 2000 photos and iPhoto is dog slow opening and quitting and sometimes browsing (800DP).

iMovie should be better with its windows. Eug is right. Go with more than 1024x768 and iMovie doesn't use it. Consumers aren't THAT dumb. This program DOES come with the pro macs. Not all of use who use pro macs use dual monitors, can afford FCP et. al. or process video other than our friends baby puking. Just because we like the pro machines doesn't mean we go all out. Sometimes you need a better video card to play a game!

I had a cheap DV editor for a PC that had better sound/fading control than iMovie. And that was back in early 2000. And give us the ability to add or position any graphic image on top of the movie. Then I can make my own titles.

iDVD: Chapters, longer animation and music time...


Expect all future iapps to be OSX only. Hopefully made with Cocoa and not carbon.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

No Eug, I know exactly what you mean by not having resizable windows. The reason is because it was first made for consumer Mac's as a consumer app. At the time the max rez for those computers were 1024 x 768.

Ya they should fix it now though.

As for Dual support though I don't see that being at all necessary for such a consumer device. If you have that many clips then you should use FCP.

Can you explain how iMovie is a "bad carbon port"?

[Eug]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
No Eug, I know exactly what you mean by not having resizable windows. The reason is because it was first made for consumer Mac's as a consumer app. At the time the max rez for those computers were 1024 x 768.

Ya they should fix it now though.

As for Dual support though I don't see that being at all necessary for such a consumer device. If you have that many clips then you should use FCP.

Can you explain how iMovie is a "bad carbon port"?

I've mentioned the iMovie JPEG problem and of course the aforementioned GUI problem. Not a deal killer but annoying nonetheless.

It'a sort of like the MS Office 31 char filename limit problem. It's basically the software's limitations back from OS 9 days manifesting itself in OS X. (If anyone understands it better than me, feel free to interject.)

[Michaelm8000]

iPhoto:
• Be able to group albums into book shelves.
• Be able to import pictures form a scanner.
• Be able to download some photos and not all.
• Be able to name film rolls.
• Be able to give iPhoto a song and a number of pictures and have it calculate how long each picture will be shown to fit the song perfectly.
• Be able to search for picture names
• Be able to group pictures that are of the same subject (you take 4 different pics of the same thing and you are not sure witch one is best)
• Much better red eye tool that lets you pic what color the persons eye should be.
• A healing brush (like in photoshop)
• A liquify brush (like in photoshop)
• Be able to combine rolls.
• Be able to back up to multiple picture CD's.

iMovie:
• Exporting of chapters for iDVD
• Multiple Video Tracks
• Blue screen fun.
• Sound filters like echo.
• Be able to rate clips.
• Export to a .mac homepage. (like iPhoto)
• Print to video.
• Stop motion animation support. (see www.istopmotion.com)

iDVD:
• Chapter support.
• Easy custom button support.
• Be able to put in different sound tracks. (ether for multiple languages, commentary or letting viewers pick music)
• Be able to set a intro Movie (before the menu comes up).
• Make it brushed metal.

[Nathan Adams]

I've personally never used iDVD, or iMovie (apart from playing around just to see what it's like) - so I can't really comment on what I'd want to see (although i do agree that iMovie should obey aqua and do things right, as in dual monitor support, proper traffic light widgets, etc. etc.)

iPhoto - yes, speed. I tend to use iPhoto for organising and choosing photos, even over the file browser in photoshop 7. I can't complain to much about features, since I use it only to organise and view, editing goes straight to PS. But I do have alot in there, and i would love it to be a much smoother and faster experience, none of this jumpy stuff when scrolling though an album of 100+ shots. Rendevous would be cool to. Although there's no other macs here, I can see the benefits for others and it shouldn't be hard to implements (and obvious, considering iTunes is getting it)

iTunes. AAC would be a plus for sure - save me a heap of HD space if it was added. I wouldn't mind a menubar icon too for basic controls (since I don't always have iTunes itself visable - especcially when I'm working) - the dock menu, whilst nice, isn't a fantastic solution. Can't think of anything else really.