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TC · Jan 7, 2003, 08:26 AM

Lets have one place to discuss the announcements.

T. Minus 2 hours 35 minutes and counting...

ARENA · Jan 7, 2003, 09:00 AM

Just two hours left now

Emotionally Fragile Luke · Jan 7, 2003, 09:21 AM

So what's new

kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 09:26 AM

I don't remember a recent keynote where someone didn't pill the beans, either Time or Cnet.

I think that's great and am looking forward to something very cool, especially since iSync, iCal, and .Mac have already been revealed. Steve must have something or he wouldn't have allowed that stuff to come out ahead of time.

kman

mitchell_pgh · Jan 7, 2003, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by kman42:
I don't remember a recent keynote where someone didn't pill the beans, either Time or Cnet.

I think that's great and am looking forward to something very cool, especially since iSync, iCal, and .Mac have already been revealed. Steve must have something or he wouldn't have allowed that stuff to come out ahead of time.

kman

I was thinking the same thing... but sometimes Jobs like to pull a "And this is all available NOW..." type speach...

Ugh, I have my headphones in hand, and have cleared my schedule...

Should be a good one...

wvx · Jan 7, 2003, 09:42 AM

"iSync, iCal, and .Mac"

Not Apple's best work IMHO

My prediction, Stevo sings the praises of Jaguar for a while and rightly so. jaguar is quite good.

I would hope Apple allows for sale iDVD that works with external drives, updated iMovie and some MPEG4 stuff would be nice

Bring on software!

twieland · Jan 7, 2003, 09:52 AM

1 hr 8 minutes and counting ...

kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by wvx:
"iSync, iCal, and .Mac"

Not Apple's best work IMHO

My prediction, Stevo sings the praises of Jaguar for a while and rightly so. jaguar is quite good.

I would hope Apple allows for sale iDVD that works with external drives, updated iMovie and some MPEG4 stuff would be nice

Bring on software!

I like to see those realistic expectations. I think an updated iMovie is almost a certainty as it has been a long time and MS is pushing WMM's new features pretty hard. iDVD just makes sense too. I'm sure Steve will talk about the MP4 on mobile phone coup over in Japan and it's ramifications for QT.

I'm also looking forward to an iPhoto update and maybe even an iChat update, although I could see the iChat update being a while yet.

And of course, the exciting 40g iPod and whatever the other thing is that the rumormills have gotten wind of but can't quite make out. Unless it is just mass hypnosis.

kman

ARENA · Jan 7, 2003, 10:02 AM

59 minutes to go!

CarpetFluff · Jan 7, 2003, 10:05 AM

I wish they would show cartoons or something before the main feature!

kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by CarpetFluff:
I wish they would show cartoons or something before the main feature!

Old-school Micky and Donald, Ren and Stimpy, or Anime?

kman

kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by kman42:
Old-school Micky and Donald, Ren and Stimpy, or Anime?

kman

Er, uh, duh. How about some shorts from Pixar?!

superblue · Jan 7, 2003, 10:12 AM

Bored! Bored! Bored! It's 1:10am Wednesday here in Tokyo... c'mon America! wake up!! Let's get the show on the road!

vmpaul · Jan 7, 2003, 10:12 AM

To get the Keynote, do you go in before 9 or right at 9? Also, if you go to the link after will it pick it up in progress?

Do you think they have enough servers for this? I've never had luck getting it live before.

mishap · Jan 7, 2003, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by vmpaul:
To get the Keynote, do you go in before 9 or right at 9? Also, if you go to the link after will it pick it up in progress?

Do you think they have enough servers for this? I've never had luck getting it live before.

Usually 15 minutes before the show starts.

Last time i didnt get the MPEG-4 stream and it was just a horrible blocky quicktime stream.

I'm sure apple has a lot of servers running for this, but still probably not enough.

kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by vmpaul:
To get the Keynote, do you go in before 9 or right at 9? Also, if you go to the link after will it pick it up in progress?

Do you think they have enough servers for this? I've never had luck getting it live before.

They generally start the stream about 10-15 mins early showing pans of the audience and Beach Boys music or something else benign. People here are usually so starved for Keynote excitement that we will critique Steve's choice of music.

They have plenty of servers and it works great if you are using a Cable/DSL modem or higher. It's been 3-4 years since I've had trouble watching the stream. The last keynote in MP4 was flawless for me on a DSL line.

kman

TC · Jan 7, 2003, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by vmpaul:
To get the Keynote, do you go in before 9 or right at 9? Also, if you go to the link after will it pick it up in progress?

Do you think they have enough servers for this? I've never had luck getting it live before.

keep an eye on this page:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/mwsf03/

It will tell you when you can start watching and yes you will be able to connect after it starts.

Now we all need to prey to the Gods of tcp/ip that we get a good connection. I have edged my bets by being on a 10MB/s fibre optic connection ;-)

vmpaul · Jan 7, 2003, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by kman42:
The last keynote in MP4 was flawless for me on a DSL line.

kman

Quicktime 6.02 for MP4, right?

I have cable. Hope it holds up.

Nathan Adams · Jan 7, 2003, 10:28 AM

superblue - it's worse here!
keynote starts here 3.30am. and I need to get up at 7 for work

3am right now... 30mins to go

Nathan Adams · Jan 7, 2003, 10:30 AM

damn you's! I have to watch it over 56k ;_;

ARENA · Jan 7, 2003, 10:30 AM

...Only 30 minutes...

kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 10:31 AM

Gentlemen, start your engines. Er, boil water for coffee/tea.

dfiler · Jan 7, 2003, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by kman42:
They have plenty of servers and it works great if you are using a Cable/DSL modem or higher. It's been 3-4 years since I've had trouble watching the stream. The last keynote in MP4 was flawless for me on a DSL line.

If only your's was the typical experience. Almost no one has ever been able to get a flawless stream.

Even people sitting on 1000mb to an optical backbone normally aren't able to watch the keynote without restarting the stream after numerous and complete audio or video drops. Last time many people had to give up on the MP4 stream altogether and switch back to something that acutally works.

Not that quicktime is a bad technology... but we should be realistic about the historical webcast quality.

F5, F5, F5... Lets set some new bandwidth consumption records today!

kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by dfiler:
If only your's was the typical experience. Almost no one has ever been able to get a flawless stream.

Even people sitting on 1000mb to an optical backbone normally aren't able to watch the keynote without restarting the stream after numerous and complete audio or video drops. Last time many people had to give up on the MP4 stream altogether and switch back to something that acutally works.

Not that quicktime is a bad technology... but we should be realistic about the historical webcast quality.

F5, F5, F5... Lets set some new bandwidth consumption records today!

Really? That's so bizarre. It used to be that way for me under OS9 a few years ago, but it's been great since X came along. Maybe because I'm in SF, but that doesn't explain my excellent experience from the NY keynote six months ago.

It used to be that I had to lose my router for the stream. You might also change the streaming settings (mess with the port and protocol); it used to help me. Now HTTP and port 80 work fine behind my dLink router.

kman

superblue · Jan 7, 2003, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Nathan Adams:
superblue - it's worse here!
keynote starts here 3.30am. and I need to get up at 7 for work
3am right now... 30mins to go

Fair enough you have my sympathies! At least I've got tomorrow off

TC · Jan 7, 2003, 10:46 AM

I see him!!!!

kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 10:47 AM

yup. Stream's up.

Name that tune!!!

I have no idea.

kman

superblue · Jan 7, 2003, 10:48 AM

hurrah! we're on! all systems go----!!

kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 10:50 AM

Notice everyone wearing short sleeves? It's nice and warm here today

Not great turtle-neck weather. Perhaps Steve will surprise us with some other attire.

mitchell_pgh · Jan 7, 2003, 10:51 AM

MPEG4 is working for me... nice stream... and they opened it up early...

LeeG · Jan 7, 2003, 10:51 AM

Configuring................AHhhhhhhhh, why still configuring!!!!!!?????

TC · Jan 7, 2003, 10:51 AM

What a joy to see, herds of nerds!

Please Steve, give us something cool.

jbstrick · Jan 7, 2003, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by kman42:
Notice everyone wearing short sleeves? It's nice and warm here today Not great turtle-neck weather. Perhaps Steve will surprise us with some other attire.

Rub it in. We were in the 20's this morning.

LeeG · Jan 7, 2003, 10:53 AM

Do I need a port open for this stream???

kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by LeeG:
Do I need a port open for this stream???

Go to system prefs-->Quicktime-->Transport setup. Click on auto configure. It will take about 30 secs. See if it can configure.

You shouldn't need any ports open other than an incoming 80, which should work automatically if you can browse the web.

kman

superblue · Jan 7, 2003, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by kman42:
Notice everyone wearing short sleeves? It's nice and warm here today Not great turtle-neck weather. Perhaps Steve will surprise us with some other attire.

Lucky you! It's bloody freezing here! I'm sat in bed with a big wooly sweater on! I wouldn't be surprised if my iBook starts misting up

I wish they'd change the CD... this is awful!

midwinter · Jan 7, 2003, 10:55 AM

Oh dear. Joni Mitchell's "Blue" playing in its entirety...an album full of songs about the end of relationships....

Cheers
Scott

LeeG · Jan 7, 2003, 10:56 AM

WooHoo!!!!! I AM SO IN - sweet MP4 goodness, come on steve - WOW US - ok I'll stop post-boosting now...

Lee

Kiddo311 · Jan 7, 2003, 10:58 AM

Bada$$ Hippi-Music =)

Freeflyer · Jan 7, 2003, 10:58 AM

typical, stream keeps timing out. Looks like I won't get to watch. Someone post the important poiints as they come up please.

J.

kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by LeeG:
WooHoo!!!!! I AM SO IN - sweet MP4 goodness, come on steve - WOW US - ok I'll stop post-boosting now...

Lee

what did you do to get up? It might help some late-comers.

kman

vmpaul · Jan 7, 2003, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by midwinter:
Oh dear. Joni Mitchell's "Blue" playing in its entirety...an album full of songs about the end of relationships....

Cheers
Scott

Gotta love it.

I don't know why but watching these things always gives me that 60's/Calif vibe. I know it's just a computer but there's something more...

TC · Jan 7, 2003, 10:59 AM

1 fricking minute!

kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by vmpaul:
Gotta love it.

I don't know why but watching these things always gives me that 60's/Calif vibe. I know it's just a computer but there's something more...

Community, love? Our acid-dropping, vegan leader?

I'm in.

kman

TC · Jan 7, 2003, 11:01 AM

The thing that makes me nervous is that the Apple Store is still up!?

LeeG · Jan 7, 2003, 11:01 AM

I changed nothing to connect, just reloaded a few times from the web page, and eventually one did not get stuck on "Configuring"...

Who knows, nice stream though over DSL.

Lee

mitchell_pgh · Jan 7, 2003, 11:01 AM

Ugh, what a pack of DORKS!!!

I've never seen so many digital cameras...

::maroma:: · Jan 7, 2003, 11:02 AM

Damn this corporate firewall!! I hate having to work during EVERY SINGLE keynote!

Oh well, I guess that's what the web updates, and all you lucky bastards are for. Bring on the goodness!

kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 11:04 AM

One Steve computer for demos. Two macs on the right. I don't see any PCs for bake-offs. That pleases me. I guess they could always bring them on.

kman

badtz · Jan 7, 2003, 11:05 AM

Does the keynote stream only come in one resolution?

That picture is puny, & the sound could be louder ? [i have everything maxed & would still prefer it a lil' louder]