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kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 06:13 PM

How sweet it is:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/

It looks great, uses opengl and works with Matlab (even though matlab is only supposed to support orobor)

kman

sahara · Jan 7, 2003, 06:38 PM

People have reported, on versiontracker, that all X11 app windows load in the top left of the screen, behind the menu bar. I am having this problem also, and cannot drag any of the windows down because I cannot reach their titlebars. Anyone know how to solve this?

Also, how do I modify the path variable that X11 uses. I tried to do this in .tcshrc and .xinitrc, but it was ignored.

The DJ · Jan 7, 2003, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by kman42:
How sweet it is:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/

It looks great, uses opengl and works with Matlab (even though matlab is only supposed to support orobor)

kman

This is the bomb.
I am trying to get my KDE X11 forwarded session to run rootless, now that would freaking rule.

DJ

Oneota · Jan 7, 2003, 06:40 PM

Hm...for me, it didn't spawn a terminal window upon launch (like it said it would), and after I went to the menu to have it launch 'term' the resulting terminal had no surrounding window. [Edit: My problem is the same as sahara noted earlier.]

I'm guessing I have some kind of conflict with config files from my previous flirtation with X11, but I told it to overwrite my config files with its own (turned on that option in the Custom installer), so this shouldn't be happening.

kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Oneota:
Hm...for me, it didn't spawn a terminal window upon launch (like it said it would), and after I went to the menu to have it launch 'term' the resulting terminal had no surrounding window. [Edit: My problem is the same as sahara noted earlier.]

I'm guessing I have some kind of conflict with config files from my previous flirtation with X11, but I told it to overwrite my config files with its own (turned on that option in the Custom installer), so this shouldn't be happening.

Huh. i didn't have any problems. I just did a standard install and it wonked over my previous X11 install without problem. It seems to spawn windows just fine as well.

kman42 · Jan 7, 2003, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Oneota:
Hm...for me, it didn't spawn a terminal window upon launch (like it said it would), and after I went to the menu to have it launch 'term' the resulting terminal had no surrounding window. [Edit: My problem is the same as sahara noted earlier.]

I'm guessing I have some kind of conflict with config files from my previous flirtation with X11, but I told it to overwrite my config files with its own (turned on that option in the Custom installer), so this shouldn't be happening.

Huh. i didn't have any problems. I just did a standard install and it wonked over my previous X11 install without problem. It seems to spawn windows just fine as well.

sahara · Jan 7, 2003, 07:10 PM

Ok.

#1: The problem with /sw/bin being in the path came down to my .tcshrc file. It had:

source /usr/share/tcsh/examples/rc
source /usr/share/tcsh/examples/login
source /usr/share/tcsh/examples/logout

from previously discussed shell hints. Turns out that those are now causing "TERM: UNDEFINED VARIABLE" errors and stopping .tcshrc from reaching the line that registers Fink and adds it to the path.

#2: I renamed the .xinitrc file so it would not be used, and that got rid of the windows-behind-menu-bar problem. Most of the stuff in .xinitrc were for XDarwin which I won't use anymore, so there's no loss. The other thing in there was:
source /sw/bin/init.sh
Does anyone know if I should worry about not running this anymore? .tcshrc still runs init.csh. Do I need the init.sh as well? So far there doesn't seem to be any problem with Fink.

gralem · Jan 7, 2003, 07:41 PM

If you read /usr/X11R6/README, it does say that everything opens in the top left only. There must be some sort of deal with old xinitrc's because if you go into the custom install option, you can optionally install "X11 Config" which says it will:

X11 Config files. Check this package to overwrite the existing configuration with default files

There must be something to it.

---gralem

gorgonzola · Jan 7, 2003, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by sahara:
#2: I renamed the .xinitrc file so it would not be used, and that got rid of the windows-behind-menu-bar problem. Most of the stuff in .xinitrc were for XDarwin which I won't use anymore, so there's no loss. The other thing in there was:
source /sw/bin/init.sh
Does anyone know if I should worry about not running this anymore? .tcshrc still runs init.csh. Do I need the init.sh as well? So far there doesn't seem to be any problem with Fink.

You shouldn't need the init.sh line in xinitrc.

Oneota · Jan 7, 2003, 07:50 PM

Renaming my .xinitrc also cured my problem. All is well.

waffffffle · Jan 7, 2003, 10:41 PM

It works great for me. Far more stable and much faster than Orobor ever was on my Macs. When I installed I installed the extra option that said it changes all options to default. That may be why I have no problems with it. I connected to the school's linux server running KDE 3, I launched kicker and started playing games. It rocks.

JB72 · Jan 8, 2003, 01:21 AM

I'm really excited about this. Good stuff. I think I might give Film Gimp a go now.

Brad Oliver · Jan 8, 2003, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by sahara:
People have reported, on versiontracker, that all X11 app windows load in the top left of the screen, behind the menu bar. I am having this problem also, and cannot drag any of the windows down because I cannot reach their titlebars. Anyone know how to solve this?

Edit ~/.xinitrc and change the "exec" line from whatever it was to "exec quartz-wm" minus the quotes.

Odds are you already had an .xinitrc file, and were using another window manager. Apple's X11 doesn't like that, and freaks out unless it's set to its own window manager.

trusted_content · Jan 8, 2003, 02:01 AM

Hmmm... Ive been using XDarwin for months now, and Apple's X11, wellll

its nothing new.

it reminds me of a (simplified) xDarwin app + the same xfree86 implementation + oroborosX

seems fully compatible with everything

and you know i gotta go apple branded ;]

so i guess thumbs up... but im a bit underwhelmed by any changes btw. this and XDarwin ...

JB72 · Jan 8, 2003, 02:14 AM

I have to say I'm still dreaming of Apple doing an X11 "built in" to Aqua, with a spot on the system pref pane. Of course I am pretty *nix ignorant so maybe there is a reason why this would be too difficult, or just undesirable. Having an easy X11 package from Apple is a step in the right direction for less sophisticated, would-be X11 dabblers like myself though.

clarkgoble · Jan 8, 2003, 02:33 AM

I put in the Unix forum here some notes about using Apple's X11 that people probably should read. It summarizes a lot of things people have posted to various forums tonight.

eno · Jan 8, 2003, 02:34 AM

Nice speed on this thing. Kicks the standard XFree86 + Orobor.

clarkgoble · Jan 8, 2003, 02:56 AM

Not only is it faster that OrobosX and DarwinX, but it handles cut and paste as you'd expect, without all the Fink hacks you had to to. (Autosel) That, to my mind, is a big thing to cheer about.

TiDual · Jan 8, 2003, 04:42 AM

One problem, X11 (from Apple) doesn't seem to detect the proper keyboard (German in my case), and no where to set this in Preferences,

any ideas ...

Evinyatar · Jan 8, 2003, 04:52 AM

Has anyone managed to get KDE3 running locally with this thing yet? I can get kdeinit to run, but the startup screen or the taskbar etc never show up. It does however run K applications (Konsole, and such), but I'd like the whole KDE environment back. Any ideas?

SteveJobs · Jan 8, 2003, 05:30 AM

Hmm, i know this is a rather basic question, but where to get the Mac Gimp binaries for download? I don't want a CD and I have a broadband internet connection. Yet, I would like to give GIMP a try, OpenOffice already works fine in X11...

steve

oeyvind · Jan 8, 2003, 05:42 AM

Apple's port of X11 for Mac OS X kick ass man!

Just finished fooling around with it, some screenshots here

mmurray · Jan 8, 2003, 06:18 AM

Originally posted by SteveJobs:
Hmm, i know this is a rather basic question, but where to get the Mac Gimp binaries for download? I don't want a CD and I have a broadband internet connection. Yet, I would like to give GIMP a try, OpenOffice already works fine in X11...

steve

I would do it all using Fink. That way you
can try lots of other things as well.

Check out

http://fink.sourceforge.net/

Michael

Simon · Jan 8, 2003, 07:18 AM

OMG. This is so great!!!

Imagine if a couple of preview versions later this thing will integrate totally seemless with the rest of Aqua. The X11 server and client built into the OS - all those great UNIX programs...

It's really awesome. I remeber when OS X first came out I asked for an app (they make and support!) within the OS which gives us an X11 server/client. I sent them feedback, I kept on saying this was my number one wish for the next release of OS X in these forums. And now, here it is. Steve didn't even mention it - it just popped out of nowhere.

I don't know if any Apple people read this, but if you do, thanks a million! This is sooo much better than XFree86 and Blackbox. You guys rock!

piracy · Jan 8, 2003, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by trusted_content:
Hmmm... Ive been using XDarwin for months now, and Apple's X11, wellll

its nothing new.

Direct OpenGL hardware accelerated X11 is nothing new? LOL!

Oneota · Jan 8, 2003, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Evinyatar:
Has anyone managed to get KDE3 running locally with this thing yet? I can get kdeinit to run, but the startup screen or the taskbar etc never show up. It does however run K applications (Konsole, and such), but I'd like the whole KDE environment back. Any ideas?

It could be that KDE doesn't like running rootless, which Apple's X11 implementation requires. Anything that can't run rootless won't work. Just a thought.

Evinyatar · Jan 8, 2003, 04:01 PM

I got it to work. Apparently my X11 was around in memory after having shut it down due to conflicts with my previous XFree installation.
The only issues I'm having with it so far are that, unlike in XDarwin, the menubar obscures part of the workspace, often causing the titlebar on windows to be behind the menubar (when you're not using the Aqua windows, which I have yet to figure out how to use with KDE); clicking an X window while in another app doesn't bring the X window to front; you can't hide X11 windows. But damn, it's like a 100 times faster than XDarwin on my G4 400 (ATI Rage Pro 128)

MacManMikeOSX · Jan 8, 2003, 04:32 PM

KDE rootless you say i run it rootless but without any supporting app... basicly install KDE 3 add it to your .xinitrc launch orbor about 45 seconds into launching or so force quit orbor wait a minute then KDE should launch.

MacManMikeOSX · Jan 8, 2003, 04:38 PM

forgot to add KDE will not run aloung side apples quartz-wm KDE IS its own wm and Apples X11 will only run with Quartz-wm also apples x11r6.6 implant has some lib glue problems.

fortepianissimo · Jan 8, 2003, 05:17 PM

Got to ask this basic question: if I had XFree86 installed via Fink, do I need to uninstall it before I try this Apple version? Or what else do I need to do before installation? Thanks.

fortepianissimo · Jan 8, 2003, 05:23 PM

Got to ask this basic question: if I had XFree86 installed via Fink, do I need to uninstall it before I try this Apple version? Or what else do I need to do before installation? Thanks.

foobars · Jan 8, 2003, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by fortepianissimo:
Got to ask this basic question: if I had XFree86 installed via Fink, do I need to uninstall it before I try this Apple version? Or what else do I need to do before installation? Thanks.

There shouldn't be a problem. You can still use your XDarwin installed via Fink, just not at the same time (unless you fool with the display #'s)

PS- Apple's X11 app works with any window manager, it appears. I'm running Gnome with Sawtooth right now! I don't think it's accelerated like Apple's own custom WM (which is /usr/X11R6/bin/quartz-wm) but it's much faster than XDarwin.

Unfortunately quartz-wm doesn't play nice with Gnome right now it appears...