[beb]

Everybody wants this sidebar thing anyway. I think Sherlock should be a part of Safari, you could have a left column with all the icons and such. And the sherlock components would only"start up" when clicked upon.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

bloated

[Hi I'm Ben]

i dunno about you, but i think sherlock is slow.

[xenu]

Because sherlock is pretty much worthless for users outside the usa?

It was the first app to go from my dock.

[Group51]

Originally posted by xenu:
Because sherlock is pretty much worthless for users outside the usa?

It was the first app to go from my dock.

Got it in one.

[mitchell_pgh]

I say keep it as it is. Sherlock is cool, but it's cool in it's own way.

[Sharky K.]

I agree. Sherlock should be integrated into a browser.
Sherlock is really cool.
And no not only for people inside US. More and more sherlock developers are creating chanels.

the only problem of sherlock is that people don't use it because they are already in the browser.

[Millennium]

As long as the two apps work well together, there is no need to slap them together into one bloated app. That's the Mac way: small tools that do their job well, and play well with other tools to do things even greater than either of them could do alone. This, as opposed to the monolithic The-App-That-Does-Everything-So-No-One-Else-Can-Ha-Ha-We-Own-Your-Soul approach that Microsoft uses.

[juanvaldes]

Originally posted by Millennium:
As long as the two apps work well together, there is no need to slap them together into one bloated app. That's the Mac way: small tools that do their job well, and play well with other tools to do things even greater than either of them could do alone. This, as opposed to the monolithic The-App-That-Does-Everything-So-No-One-Else-Can-Ha-Ha-We-Own-Your-Soul approach that Microsoft uses.

it truly is the unix way.

And exactly why should Sherlock be rolled into Safari? And if this was to happen would that mean I couldn't use Sherlock without using Safari?

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by juanvaldes:
it truly is the unix way.

And exactly why should Sherlock be rolled into Safari? And if this was to happen would that mean I couldn't use Sherlock without using Safari?

No kidding. Not everyone is going to use Safari. Some may prefer Chimera, Mozilla, OmniWeb, etc., and those users should still have the option of using Sherlock if they choose.

[Guy Incognito]

Originally posted by CharlesS:
No kidding. Not everyone is going to use Safari. Some may prefer Chimera, Mozilla, OmniWeb, etc., and those users should still have the option of using Sherlock if they choose.

Weren't you contributing to the idea of trying to get Mail, Address Book and iCal merged into one app a few months ago? (Or was it someone else?)

Regardless...what you just said was very intelligent. If Sherlock were merged into Safari...people that choose to use another browser other than Safari would be sh1t out of luck if they wanted to use Sherlock.

This is why Mail, iCal and Address Book should never be merged. This is why Sherlock and Safari should never be merged.

And this is why iLife isn't truly a merger. They're all seperate apps that integrate well with each other.

It's all about specific modular apps that integrate well with each other.

[BuonRotto]

Originally posted by juanvaldes:
it truly is the unix way.

No, no, it's the NeXT way!

Like the iLife suite, it would be a good idea to "integrate" Sherlock (talk about an out-of-place metaphor) with Safari, but you don't have to merge the code, you can just create hooks or references to call up Sherlock functions. So "what" this thread is about is a good idea, it's just the "how" that's in question. As others have said, it's more flexible, accessible, and extensible with this modular application (and pasteboard) system that Apple/NeXT/*nix uses.

[hELLO wORLD]

The idea is System Frameworks !!

Safari is new and is not achieved : it's beta !

In Mac OS X, there is a hidden HTML rendering engine, that is very basic. You can see it in action by opening HTML documents in TextEdit.

For sure, Apple will replace this Private Framework with WebCore, that will be officially accessible for developers and any application !

Sherlock should not be merged into Safari !

BUT

There should be an deep integration, like AddressBook and Mail. AdressBook is now a System Framework too.

Sherlock should be improved. It should use Services, select a portion of text anywhere and use Services->Sherlock->Translation to translate it instantly in your application. Select a word and Service->Sherlock->Encyclopedia to have info on the word definition.

So Sherlock have to become a System wide Framework accessible fromany application, without the need of opening an App called Sherlock (like AdressBook). Then, the Google bar in Safari should become a Sherlock bar, with search with multiple engines or any web related searches.

And about improvments, the Dock need to be updated, improved !! A lot of features and customization could improve ease of use and power. There was the Docklings, then menuExtras that are a good thing, but now, with more than 8 items in the menu, it becomes confusing and charged.

Why not a Dock where minimized windows (and why not visible windows) are belong there Application icon ? In fact, I am sure the best solution is to remove the Finder and to integrate all navigation fonctions and preview fonctions in the Dock, not the actual Dock, I mean an improved - powerfull - customizable - Dock ! Bye bye Finder Windows, say Hello to the brand new Dock navigation ! There is place to comments and imagination here. I hope Apple will do this.. One day...

[Sharky K.]

Oke. the example from ical address book and mail is not the same.
These applications are totally different.

Sherlock 3 is just the same as a browser the only big advantage is that it uses a different GUI, the GUI from the OS.

Apple should make a sherlock lib next to KHTML lib so all apps can make use both.

Sherlock chanels as bookmarks? why not? Sherlock 3 channels would become more populair than it is now.

[BuonRotto]

It's just like Hello world said. WebCore and KTML will surely become open frameworks that any application can (and will) tap into. Not only Sherlock, but OmniWeb, Mac Help, TextEdit, Mail, etc. Cocoa apps (and increasingly Carbon apps too) in OS X are different from the way people are used to thinking of applications. Apps are just interfaces to the tools underneath that either apple or a third party supplies. Some tools are made exclusive to one developer, a private framework. Many are available to any application that want to use them. The Address Book framework, Rendezvous, the Cocoa font and color panels, all follow this idea. Any app that want to can tap into them and share information through them. This is exactly how WebCore and KTML will work too.

I think the question about integration isn't just about sharing these frameworks, it's about how you link the two interfaces of Safari and Sherlock. Look at how iPhoto 2 links to iTunes. It doesn't recreate iTunes inside iPhoto, it uses a more compact and basic data browser to call up the iTunes content. So will you just have a Sherlock icon in the Safari toolbar? Will they add some Sherlock searches to that search bar that only uses Google right now? That seems to be the issue here more than whether or not they will use the same rendering engine. That's a no-brainer.

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by Guy Incognito:
Weren't you contributing to the idea of trying to get Mail, Address Book and iCal merged into one app a few months ago? (Or was it someone else?)

That was absolutely not me. It was someone else. Merging these apps into one large mega-bloated app that takes forever to launch is not something I would promote. If a message advocating that ever showed up under my username, it would mean that it's time for me to change my password.

[beb]

Maybe it would be bloatware.

One point though, I did say that the sherlock components would start up when clicked upon. This should not affect the general startup time of Safari by very much.

If nothing else, you should be able to start up Sherlock via Safari with a key command of some sort.

BTW: What the hell happened to being able to program the function keys at the finder level to start up applications?

[asmodeus]

I think this picture perfectly sums up my feelings about Safari/Sherlock integration.

[Jerommeke]

I can agree on this. Sherlock is one of the least used apps by me. VersionTracker on it is damn slow, and only for some little bit of minor flight status info which mostly doesn't work or gives N/A notices sometimes.