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Madison · Jan 17, 2003, 09:03 AM

Hello,

Apple gives a free copy of Jaguar to all K-12 teachers, right? I have a relative who is a teacher, if they get the copy and give it to me, do they get in trouble when I install it? I guess that sounds a little vague, I've seen people on here post about moms/dads and wives/husbands being teachers and giving the discs to the forum member who installs it and runs it on their own computer. So, if I get a copy of 10.2 from a teacher, what are the ramifications? Thanks.

Tom

P.S. Oh yeah, is this free version the same as the one you can buy in the stores?
Thanks.

KaptainKaya · Jan 17, 2003, 09:10 AM

As long as they don't install it on their machines, it should be ok. And yes, its the same version as the retail set, minus the developer tools.

cambro · Jan 17, 2003, 09:32 AM

The whole point of Apple's free copy for teachers promotion is to benefit educators and provide some incentive for them to try out X. I would say it is dishonest for a teacher to request a free copy and then not even use it.

If you are a student, just get your own copy. It's $69 and worth every penny. If you're not a student and can't spring for $129 (the full retail price...look around and you will find if for under $100), then get a job! Pirating a copy of some app. you're not likely to use more than a few times a year is one thing...pirating your whole OS is another.

IMO, for what it's worth...

Madison · Jan 17, 2003, 09:45 AM

First of all, I have a job, and it pays just fine, thanks. I was simply asking the question as I've seen others on this forum do. $129 may not seem like much, but when your second child is on the way and you're in the middle of a $135,000 addition to your house, every penny adds up. I've been looking on eBay also, but in order to put Jag on my 333mhz imac, I need to upgrade the hard drive, so now my $129 OS includes an $80 hard drive, and I've just purchased a used external CD-RW burner to back up my files so I can do all of the above, total cost to upgrade? $279, so lay off.

Tom

Coxy · Jan 17, 2003, 09:51 AM

Like so many things in the software industry, it's a pretty grey area, especially since I don't really know what terms the software is issued under.

Since it's a real copy of the software, it's not really piracy. It is pretty dishonest, however, if the person you get the copy off has no intention of ever running it for themselves.
It's really up to you.

absmiths · Jan 17, 2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Madison:
First of all, I have a job, and it pays just fine, thanks. I was simply asking the question as I've seen others on this forum do. $129 may not seem like much, but when your second child is on the way and you're in the middle of a $135,000 addition to your house, every penny adds up. I've been looking on eBay also, but in order to put Jag on my 333mhz imac, I need to upgrade the hard drive, so now my $129 OS includes an $80 hard drive, and I've just purchased a used external CD-RW burner to back up my files so I can do all of the above, total cost to upgrade? $279, so lay off.

Tom

Surely if you can afford a $135K addition, you can afford $129 (or even $279)? And if you can't, stick with what you've got. Just because the upgrade's out there, doesn't mean you are entitled to it.

Secondly, it is a violation of your license to acquire any software from Apple through the education channels with the intention of giving/selling it to someone else. I bought MS Office from UTSA for $5 - but the license said that it could only be used by a college student and not for any commercial purposes. I imagine the Apple Jag license is the same.

But in case you don't believe me, here is what Apple has to say:

"By clicking the �I Agree� button, I agree that I am a K-12 teacher currently employed in a public, private, or charter school and that the copy of Mac OS X v10.2 I am ordering is for my own personal, education, and/or research use. Further, by joining the X for Teachers program, I give Apple consent to contact me with news and other information about products and promotions. "

Will anybody catch you? No. Does that make it right? No.

absmiths · 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Coxy:
Since it's a real copy of the software, it's not really piracy.

That's not quite true. If I buy a copy of Software X and install it, then sell the original disks to someone (keeping my own installation or copies of the disk) then that is illegal. Further, If I buy X, install it, then purchase an upgrade copy, install it, then sell my original (older version) disk, that is also illegal.

It is only a gray area because most people want to believe that it is OK.

(Like, for example, asking users in a forum if it is a violation of a license agreement rather than looking it up from the freely available source)

Madison · Jan 17, 2003, 04:37 PM

Okay, I suppose that all along I knew it was not only a bad idea, but wrong to boot. So, along with a thorough tongue lashing from you folks here on the forum, an attack of conscience has also convinced me. Thanks for the moral beating, i needed it.

Tom