[moonmonkey]

OK, I know this is not exactly an original idea for a thread, and the Panther feature set is probably already frozen.

I know im greedy but this is what I want.....

Safari shipped as default browser, IE also included
Keynote preview included on CD
Journaling option added to the installer
VCD support added to DVD player
GUI Scripting added to Applescript
Virtual Multiple Desktops
X11 Included in the developer tools
Clock option on login screen
Software Update logs externally applied updates
Application specific volume control (from the system preferences)
The ability to have a customizable toolbar on Brushed Metal apps
Safari Rendering engine integrated into sherlock, mail and help viewer
Text Edit 1.3 (New toolbar icons, customizable toolbar)
Inkwell 1.1 (Accuracy increased)
Icon Picker (system wide access from all apps, including finder get info, mail, address book, ichat, login prefs)
Pantone references in Color Picker
Log out with save state (like VPC)
Text To Speech 2 (2 New voices,"Woody" and "Jessie" Licensed from Babel Technologies)
Dock 2.0 (Drag items into Sub Folders, reposition and pin by dragging separator, Badged warning signs to indicate application status.
The dock automatically updates minimised windows like websites, in the same way that quicktime movies play.

Finder enhancements:
Click and half spring loaded folders
Safari bookmarks included in 'Go menu'
Improved threading (i.e. a finder open dialog does not dominate the finder)
Automatic placement of Library files, i.e. screeneffects, Fonts, iTunes plug-ins
Show view options added to contextual menu
Contextual menu "Help" option does a search for the item you clicked on in the help viewer.
Spell checking service in Finder
Pop up windows in finder
More interface sounds
Clipping refinements
Setting for 1,2 or 3 line file names in Finder preferences
Toolbar icons are file type specific, i.e. select an image file and image specific options become available, select a disk and eject becomes available, these are customizable in the customize toolbar dialog.
Folder actions in Contextual menus
Copy Dialogs are smaller and can be minimised to the dock while still clearly showing progress.


Did I miss anything?

[Vanquish]

Well it sure won't work on your LC475

[CharlesS]

I want a time travel feature. With this ability, you would be able to recover your data even if your hard drive had a hardware failure. It would simply go back in time and recover the data from the drive when it was working.

Of course, one can't forget the debug code. They need to remove enough of that to make a 1 Ghz G4 run like a 3 Ghz G6.

Let's see, what else?

Balloon Help. Yes, we definitely need Balloon Help. Or maybe the Control Strip.

[moonmonkey]

Originally posted by Vanquish:
Well it sure won't work on your LC475

The main problem is finding enough space on my 160MB hard disk.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

I am hoping for a redone, rethought Aqua. Those pinstrips are so 90's.

[moonmonkey]

Originally posted by CharlesS:
I want a time travel feature. With this ability, you would be able to recover your data even if your hard drive had a hardware failure. It would simply go back in time and recover the data from the drive when it was working.

What about a tome editor on the developer tools?

[Emotionally Fragile Luke]

I want that Mouse tutorial back and written in Cocoa. You know the one that makes you pick up the container of fish food and feed the goldfish. That would definitely push Apple?s market share up to 8.86% overnight!

[Jerommeke]

I would like to see SMB networking, but then without a kernel panic every now and then. Aaannd.... Maybe ... wait

[DNA man]

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
The main problem is finding enough space on my 160MB hard disk.

You have a hard disk
Can you get 'em as an upgrade for my eMate?

[daydreamer]

you forgot the one really important one, speed gain anyone?

[Axo1ot1]

Speed gain fine, but if you're complaining about speed in jaguar you're either a) are on speed, b) have it on a dinosaur of a computer, c)are retarded, or d) have a great computer with 2 MB of RAM

Speed is great, but i don't expect more of it in 10.3...if there is it will be a pleasant surprise, if there isn't it will be totally acceptable.

[Gul Banana]

Although I wouldn't have put it that way, I agree - OS X is fast enough now, so while more speed wouldn't go awry it's not necessary. As long as we don't have an actual regression I'll be happy with that aspect of 10.3...

[juanvaldes]

Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
Speed gain fine, but if you're complaining about speed in jaguar you're either a) are on speed, b) have it on a dinosaur of a computer, c)are retarded, or d) have a great computer with 2 MB of RAM

Speed is great, but i don't expect more of it in 10.3...if there is it will be a pleasant surprise, if there isn't it will be totally acceptable.

with a new Dual 1Ghz, GF4Ti, 7200 rpm 80gig HD's there are still many places where OS X (finder and others) hang for no apparent reason. There are still plenty of "slow" spots that could be tightened down into faster code.

[undotwa]

Actually a glassy 'iLamp' Aqua would look good (with the same widgets just different texture replacing the stripes).

I think DVDs should be played in iDVD like music CDs are played in iTunes. Also burn-to-VCD and play VCD would be a nice function in iDVD.

We really need a new QuickTime Player. It's awful. A simple Cocoa app that:

Plays QuickTime files from URLs and local files (with all pro movie functions) for free would be cool. QuickTime Player is crippled at the moment. And as a core app, it should be Aqua not brush metal. I think only iApps should be brushed metal (and some third party apps if the developer thinks it's appropriate - and it looks good.)

Safari needs to be an aqua app. It's one of those 'core apps' like Mail. Only iApps IMHO should be brushed metal.

Finder's networking abilities should be improved, especially FTP.

Column view should be the default view for remote volumes, and only when you change the view to icon view or list view (and which you will be alerted about) DS_Store files start littering the network drive.

The preview function should become a drawer so that other views such as icon and list view can use it.

Finder must become a slim, fast, efficient Cocoa app. I get the feeling of a 'cleaner' app when it's rewritten from scratch with no archaic code left.

Is there any reason why labels can't be put back in? They are such a useful feature.

More contextual menu items. 'Nuff said.

Click and a half, very useful.

Option to ignore all DS_store files and force column view. I hate icon and list view. Just like we have an option to force Classic mode.

System Preferences submenu in Apple menu.

[Angus_D]

Originally posted by undotwa:
We really need a new QuickTime Player. It's awful. A simple Cocoa app that:

Ah, this would indeed be cool, since it might mean that Apple actually got its act together with QT from Cocoa (NSMovie[View] is OK for the bare basics, other than that you have to poke around in Carbon with all of its evil Classic concepts)

[barney ntd]

Originally posted by undotwa:
System Preferences submenu in Apple menu.

Yes, but it should only include the panels you put in the SP toolbar. That way you can keep it down to a reasonable size.

Some way to tell Rendezvous which network ports are local.

Separate firewall settings for each network port.

Services in contextual menu.

QT Pro should include video capture.

[OreoCookie]

A stable Finder that also works for large amounts of data.

Less lags while typing.

Oh, and 64 bit support

[ntsc]

Kinda hoping for some improvements for the FS, like this database thing that everyone seems to think is wonderful.

Perhaps the idea of Smart Playlists being adapted to the Finder where you can create smart folders with rules attached to them. For example if I want all of the mpeg4 file on my hard drive then i set this rule and they all appear in that folder but they aren't moved from their proper location.

Having said that this probably won't be in 10.3, rather phased in over time i think.

[Sven G]

Yes, a better Finder would be very good! And a much more integrated look and feel (and behavior) among the various apps: iLife (from the integration point of view) is a promising beginning.

Maybe the Finder should become more like an iApp (see the new iMovie, for example)...? Or something similar (from a file browser point of view) to the new Photoshop Album - which looks great, IMO...

[Edit: Sorry, no image - "hot linking not allowed".]

[clebin]

* Developer Tool to allow people/groups to create their own MacOS X localisations for minority languages...
* Make Services appear contextually rather than greyed-out
* Use Services in contextual menus
*Expand Finder contextual menus with 'View Options', 'Arrange By' and more
* Refine 'Open With...' menu
* Preference to choose format of screen grabs
* Make everything Dock-aware
* Preview Drawer in Finder
* Better use of file metadata
* Proper FTP support in Finder
* Finder stability, speed
* Share any folder with SMB
* File Encryption, folder replication like OS 9
* Text-To-Speech voices that aren't from the 80's
* KHTML/WebCore in Help Viewer
* Proper level of Help in the OS...
* Add Terminal man pages to Help Centre
* 'Hide' option on Docked apps
* Full OS 8.5/9-style Appearance preferences with System Sounds, the works
* 'Close Window' option on Docked windows.
* Scheduled Startup and Shutdown
* Integrate Process Viewer, Power key menu and Force Quit
* Add quick Lock Computer to the above
* Full X-Window server features in Quartz
* Change user without logging out
* Save session state
* Better device support in iSync
* integrate missing Image Capture features into iPhoto (choose pictures to import, etc)
* Open-source chat protocols in iChat ("Open Source - We Think It's Great!")
* Exchange server support in Mail, Address Book, iCal

Well, come on then Apple, I haven't got all day!

Chris

[clebin]

Originally posted by Sven G:
Maybe the Finder should become more like an iApp (see the new iMovie, for example)...? Or something similar (from a file browser point of view) to the new Photoshop Album - which looks great, IMO...

Ok, it's slow and it doesn't like other Servers very much but let's not go crazy and ruin the whole thing....

[Sven G]

Originally posted by clebin:
Ok, it's slow and it doesn't like other Servers very much but let's not go crazy and ruin the whole thing....

Don't worry, only some hints at possible enhancements: anyway, the Finder should at least look a little more like Safari and the other iApps, definitely...

[cowerd]

speed
speed
fix the $@#$%@% Finder, especially working with files of a server.
improved open/save dialog boxes.
fix the Dock.
make menubar API public.
allow saving of printer setups.
metadata.
basic management of groups
more granular permissions
fix way broken desktop metaphor
the same with sym link vs. alias
more speed
did i say speed

[Macrat]

* Labels

* Recognize OS 9 window positions and column prefs

* The ability to make a default among the three window types for all finder windows (esp. new windows), and open/save dialog boxes. Also if you select List view as default, the ability to save column prefs

* More sound options for events, like in Windows

* 5.1 support for DVD Player

* Add 'classic window mode' option, to have all program related windows grouped when switching apps

* Let me change all system fonts

* More friendly to themeing

[MacGorilla]

Originally posted by Sven G:
Don't worry, only some hints at possible enhancements: anyway, the Finder should at least look a little more like Safari and the other iApps, definitely...

A Brushed Metal finder??

[Apple Pro Underwear]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
Speed gain fine, but if you're complaining about speed in jaguar you're either a) are on speed, b) have it on a dinosaur of a computer, c)are retarded, or d) have a great computer with 2 MB of RAM[/QUOTE


ummm...NO

is a tibook 500 fast or slow? it came out only 2 years ago and we're supposed to pay another 3000 grand for OSX?

it runs nice but it's not working nearly as fast as it should. i'm with skywalker here, take out some crap and redeisgn aqua....maybe keep aqua but now give themes. one with a simple aqua that is toned down

[philzilla]

i think they should employ slava & the rest of Unsanity, to completely re-write Finder. i'm sure we'd have a nice, fast, stable Finder, complete with all those nice Haxies built-in, in a few weeks

otherwise, Finder will still resemble this emoticon ->

[BuonRotto]

Oh, yeah, becasue the haxies are so stable, right?

[Sven G]

Originally posted by MacGorilla:
A Brushed Metal finder??

No! Did I say that? Obviously, I didn't mean iApp = brushed metal, but iApp = organised single window with multiple panes, views, tabs, and so on... Brushed metal or not should IMO be simply an option (Safari shouldn't be brushed metal by default, for example).

[philzilla]

Originally posted by BuonRotto:
Oh, yeah, becasue the haxies are so stable, right?

never a problem here...

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Sven G:
No! Did I say that? Obviously, I didn't mean iApp = brushed metal, but iApp = organised single window with multiple panes, views, tabs, and so on... Brushed metal or not should IMO be simply an option (Safari shouldn't be brushed metal by default, for example).

The Finder is a browser like one window app. You want the iTunes search feature or something?

[Sven G]

Originally posted by voodoo:
The Finder is a browser like one window app. You want the iTunes search feature or something?

Yes, something like what you said: the Finder should behave similarly to iTunes, Safari, etc. - not only for the search feature, but also for favorites, etc. In general, some features such as bookmarks, playlists, and so on should become much more general concepts, and thus be available from within any app "container", the Finder first of all, of course.

Let's make a simple example: the download manager window in a browser. What's a download? It's simply a file copying, but over the Internet rather than your local computer(s). So, why should we have two different interfaces - the download window/manager in the web browser and the file copy window (the small "progress" window, I mean) in the Finder - when there could be only one, single interface for both operations? Tabs is another example: why limit them either to "static" functions - such as in preference panes - or "dynamic" browsing à la Chimera, when they could have a more generalized, system-wide meaning? Tabs could be a feature of any app window, when appropriate - not only of web browsers (Safari included, of course!).

What I suggest is also some deep cleanup and rationalization for (mainly interface) concepts which are applied on a too limited base, today. We'll see what happens with a more database-like file system and related things in the future...

(Did this make sense...? Anyway, there was some very interesting discussion about these and other things in the post-MacWorld/Safari days.)

[cowerd]

Let's make a simple example: the download manager window in a browser. What's a download? It's simply a file copying, but over the Internet rather than your local computer(s). So, why should we have two different interfaces - the download window/manager in the web browser and the file copy window in the Finder - when there could be only one, single interface for both operations?

The web browser is NOT metaphorically equivalent to "browsing" in the Finder. Web browsing is more or less a passive activity, the information (content and links) is pre-arranged and limited in the type of interaction with the user--mostly just reading and then following links (leave out Flash, another can of worms). The Finder on the other hand, allows, requires the user to manipulate files, copy files, launch apps, organize files. This is active information processing and requires a different and more flexible interface. Even if Apple moves to a Newton data soup, users will respond to metaphors that allow spatializing data locations. See Francis Yates work for many historical examples.

[beb]

I want list-shaded windows, like itunes or safari or OS 9 had or even Windows XPloded now has.

I also want Satellite internet access to work with macs -and not via the bulls--t pc network method!

[Millennium]

My own wishlist:

• Finish merging Cocoa and Carbon, such that each finally has full access to the OS features of the other.
• Automatic integrated spellchecking and Dock-awareness in standard textareas and windows, for both Carbon and Cocoa. Not much that can be done about people who use nonstandard windows and such, except to provide ways of doing this and encouraging their use.
• The rumored "Junkyard": supposedly a file-unerase app.
• GUI methods for enabling and disabling journaling.

Hm... other than that, I can't really think of much, aside from the obvious debugging and optimizations which come with every release. But beb: what's a list-shaded window?

[bborofka]

- key command for Zooming a window
- option-tab should be a standard way to alternate between windows in any app
- reinvented Dock
- subdued Aqua
- a Preview drawer for the Finder like someone mentioned
- background alternating blue and white stripes for list views in the Finder and Mail (like in iTunes)
- Zooming a window should be conscious of drawers

[JB72]

Journaling option added to the installer

Yup.

VCD support added to DVD player

Yup.

Virtual Multiple Desktops

Would be a nice option. Don't think we'll see it though.

X11 Included in the developer tools

I'll go even farther and say I'd like to see it built in to Aqua.

Safari Rendering engine integrated into sherlock, mail and help viewer

Oh yeah.

Icon Picker (system wide access from all apps, including finder get info, mail, address book, ichat, login prefs)

That would be a dream.

Improved threading (i.e. a finder open dialog does not dominate the finder)

A must.

[K++]

Keynote preview included on CD
If they do actually do this, it'll be only on the Pro line.

Journaling option added to the installer
This may not be neccesary since many things indicate that we will have HFS++ for which Journaling is part of it.

VCD support added to DVD player
Have you sent your feedback today?

GUI Scripting added to Applescript
What does it currently not do?

Virtual Multiple Desktops
Never gonna happen. Even if it came off by default the amount of people who would turn it on and find it useful is so small that this feature belongs as a third party extension.

X11 Included in the developer tools
This could happen, but X11 would have to be only an option and off by default, since the majority of Developers are actual Mac Developers.

Clock option on login screen
What is this?

Software Update logs externally applied updates
Not Apple's place to keep track of what you installed on your machine. Software Updates tracks what Apple has installed.

Application specific volume control (from the system preferences)
If the Application uses sound that much then it should have its own volume control. I can't see any usefullness in this addition.

The ability to have a customizable toolbar on Brushed Metal apps
You Already can, except most Apple iApps don't use the standard toolbar

Safari Rendering engine integrated into sherlock, mail and help viewer
It will be, also into Project builder.

Text Edit 1.3 (New toolbar icons, customizable toolbar)
Why? It's not even basic typing. TextEdit is the new SimpleText all it needs to do is merely read and edit text adn rtf files.

Inkwell 1.1 (Accuracy increased)
Accuracy is learned and configured, you set spacing and recognition setting in Inkwell prefs, then it learns the more you use it.

Icon Picker (system wide access from all apps, including finder get info, mail, address book, ichat, login prefs)
Why? Apple has crafted you a gorgeous GUI, now use it. If you want this use CandyBar, this is an addition for third parties.

Pantone references in Color Picker
This is useful, again have you submitted to Apple feedback?

Log out with save state (like VPC)
This is expected to be there.

Text To Speech 2 (2 New voices,"Woody" and "Jessie" Licensed from Babel Technologies)
Useless addition, but they could if they wanted to.

Dock 2.0 (Drag items into Sub Folders, reposition and pin by dragging separator, Badged warning signs to indicate application status.
Almost all this functionality is already there but off. All Apple has to do is perfect it and bring it back.

The dock automatically updates minimised windows like websites, in the same way that quicktime movies play.
This is a fucntion of the application, not the Dock. The reason that Quicktime Movies play is because Quicktime has added that.


--Finder enhancements:

Click and half spring loaded folders
For completeness, y not.

Safari bookmarks included in 'Go menu'
Safari is safari, Finder is Finder. If you wan't those bookmarks in your Go menu then put em in your Favorites folder.

Improved threading (i.e. a finder open dialog does not dominate the finder)
This has nothing to do with threading its a Modal Dialog that is supposed to be recognized by forcing you to interact with it before you move on.

Automatic placement of Library files, i.e. screeneffects, Fonts, iTunes plug-ins
Well the old System Folder did this so I can get behidn this, so did you send the FeedBack?

Show view options added to contextual menu
agreed, feedback?

Contextual menu "Help" option does a search for the item you clicked on in the help viewer.
I;ve never used that but I guess it could be helpful.

Spell checking service in Finder
Why?

Pop up windows in finder
Oh god, no!

More interface sounds
yes

[b]Clipping refinements/b]
meh

Setting for 1,2 or 3 line file names in Finder preferences
Oh GOD NO!

Toolbar icons are file type specific, i.e. select an image file and image specific options become available, select a disk and eject becomes available, these are customizable in the customize toolbar dialog.
/me shrugs
I don't see the value in that

Folder actions in Contextual menus
You could easliy write a CMM to do this.

Copy Dialogs are smaller and can be minimised to the dock while still clearly showing progress.
They have a small view, turn the triangle and why would you need to minimise them?

[Dale Sorel]

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
The main problem is finding enough space on my 160MB hard disk.

I hear Panther is going to ship on floppies

[Dale Sorel]

Originally posted by MacGorilla:
A Brushed Metal finder??

Make that a Cocoa Brushed Finder

[Aussie John]

I would settle for my computer going to sleep after a certain period of time like it is suppoed to.

[gregpins]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Apple Pro Underwear:
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
Speed gain fine, but if you're complaining about speed in jaguar you're either a) are on speed, b) have it on a dinosaur of a computer, c)are retarded, or d) have a great computer with 2 MB of RAM[/QUOTE

How about

e) recently used a 2 year-old Windows laptop running XP or 2000 that blows the doors off my 1 year old TiBook 550 with 512 of RAM.

Performance is a legitimate issue, and should be a priority for 10.3.

And no, I am not "retarded."

Grow up.

[clarkgoble]

Most performance issues that get noticed end up relating to the Finder and its horrible multithreading. It should be able to do other things while waiting for some task to complete. However all too often while calculating the members of a large drag out breaks the spinning rainbow and nothing happens. If it is trying to connect to a network resource, nothing else happens until it is ready. A rewrite really is in order. It isn't a carbon vs. cocoa thing. It is the authors learning to use threads. At a bare minimum each window ought to be in its own thread. Realistically each independent action ought to be in its own thread!


Next up I want Project Builder to have a half-decent debugger. Right now it sucks. No presistent watch variables. Lots of quirks. Compare Visual Studio to Project Builder. There is no comparison.

The second most important improvement is to the Open/Save dialog boxes. They suck. They aren't even nearly as good as the ones in Windows. They are a pain to move around in. You have a limited number of views. You have no real preview. You can't create new folders. I could go on and on. Default Folder helps, but only up to a point. Really this whole interface is a holdover from MacOS 6.0 with no really advances except the column view. Everyone I bring this up to mentions the same thing.

Finally I want the way column view works to change. Right now you have to use the scroll bar which scrolls based upon pixels but we need a way to scroll based upon columns. The most effective way to browse is with the cursor keys! That ought to be translated into a GUI interface. The horizontal scroll bar sucks.


Give me the above, and I'd probably look over the other problems, such as limited FTP ability in the Finder, and no usable Windows Network browser.

[Fallout]

An option to turn off all fancy GUI effects would be great, cause lets face it, lots of us (me) don't have the latest Macs, and OSX does chug quite a bit at times. Better theme support or at the very least a stripeless Aqua would also be good. Along with everything in the first list.

[JLL]

Originally posted by clarkgoble:
The second most important improvement is to the Open/Save dialog boxes. They suck. They aren't even nearly as good as the ones in Windows. They are a pain to move around in. You have a limited number of views. You have no real preview. You can't create new folders.

?? I haven't seen a save dialog where you couldn't make a new folder.

[JLL]

Originally posted by eVo:
- option-tab should be a standard way to alternate between windows in any app

What's wrong with the current shortcut?

[sushiism]

Pantone references in Color Picker
I WANT THISSS@!!!!!!!!!!!!, the colour picker is already orgasmic, I mean after using the windows picker then i moved to mac and saw that it was heavenly

[Mediaman_12]

Originally posted by K++:

Dock 2.0 (Drag items into Sub Folders, reposition and pin by dragging separator, Badged warning signs to indicate application status.
Almost all this functionality is already there but off. All Apple has to do is perfect it and bring it back.

So all this stuff is deactivated. Are they possible to reactivate? Iike the 'Hide' Dock menu item (I had hacked this in so long back I forgot it wasn't standard).

Originally posted sushiism:
Pantone references in Color Picker
I WANT THISSS@!!!!!!!!!!!!, the colour picker is already orgasmic, I mean after using the windows picker then i moved to mac and saw that it was heavenly

That thing really is appaling, and it's used by so many pro XP apps (i.e. Flash and Dreamwever). The OSX one is a step down from the OS9 one (which I thought was better than the one in the Adobe apps) But it is the single thing that constantly irritates me in XP at work, the rest of the OS I can sort of get over.

[Adam Betts]

Originally posted by Fallout:
An option to turn off all fancy GUI effects would be great, cause lets face it, lots of us (me) don't have the latest Macs, and OSX does chug quite a bit at times. Better theme support or at the very least a stripeless Aqua would also be good. Along with everything in the first list.

What exactly do you want to turn off? If you turned most of them off, you'll still experience the slowness. Let's face it, lots of you used Mac that is under the Minimum Requirement

[Anomalous]

A lot of people can't afford to upgrade their computers constantly. Speed is still an issue. This is especially true because Apple drives up the cost of upgrading by making their systems as nonupgradable as possible.