[Liquidity X]

Well i just got wind froma buddy at a certian place that it looks to be 10.5 will be the next version. And it looks to be out semi soon. Apple has already stared to send memos out telling the tech support people that 10.5 training/demo days are coming up for them. just some info I though yah'all would enjoy.

[Developer]

Free download, $19 shipping, upgrade price, full price?
With or without debug code?
Snappier?
Finally includes Rage Pro drivers?

Just the usual questions.

[gorickey]

piracy, where art though piracy?

[Liquidity X]

LOL don't know, once the trainig starts I might have more info asto whats ne win 10.5, but as of now, all I have seen is the Doc saying 10.5 training will start soon blah blah blah.

[juanvaldes]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, 10.3 should be free and then charge for 10.5

[butter71]

Originally posted by Liquidity X:
10.5 training/demo days are coming up for them.

i would have guessed that apple would repeat the jaguar schedule. demo and release a beta to developers at WWDC in may and then ship the release version in september. hopefully along with new powermacs based on the ibm powerpc 970.

[CheesePuff]

I don't think that Apple has ever told their phone support about future OS X releases. They usually just know as much as we do.

[KidRed]

Originally posted by juanvaldes:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, 10.3 should be free and then charge for 10.5

I guess it will be free because according to LQX, there won't be a 10.3

[Liquidity X]

Originally posted by CheesePuff:
I don't think that Apple has ever told their phone support about future OS X releases. They usually just know as much as we do.

this person is high up support, not a phone lacky. it seems to be for the higher ups for now, so that can give the phone jockies a heads up maybe.

[Agasthya]

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=133321

Same friend?

[mitchell_pgh]

The next upgrade will probably be a paid upgrade...

I just hope there is an upgrade price and we don't have to dump another 129...

I wouldn't be pissed if they chardged $30 or something...

[piracy]

Originally posted by juanvaldes:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, 10.3 should be free and then charge for 10.5

This statement is exactly why version numbers (i.e., 10.x) are in the hands of product marketing, and really have no bearing on development. Development is proceeding exactly as it always has been proceeding; whether it's called 10.anything, or whether or not it's free, has no bearing on it.

[Dale Sorel]

Gosh this place is fun

[sbjordal]

This doesn't make any sense. I have quite a few good friends who for for Apple here in Austin (tech. support is based here) and all the people I know state again and again: 'We're the last people to know."
Also, a quick phonecall to three of my friends who are SE's confirmed the same thing: No mention of 10.5 anywhere.

[Liquidity X]

Originally posted by agasthya:
http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=133321

Same friend?

nope diff one.

[Webscreamer]

10.5 is the right move. they can't keep in the X's forever, but is a good marketing stratagy.

[ablaze]

I guess it will be Mac OS X Panther.
So thex can keep their beloved "X" and you don't have to care whether it is 10.5 or 10.3. Anyway, this discussion is pointless. It's not the numbering that makes it, it's the features and improvements.

[Dale Sorel]

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
10.5 is the right move. they can't keep in the X's forever, but is a good marketing stratagy.

XI

[jambajooz]

Well these .this .that is all cool but...any word on what's going to be in it that is new?

[Simon Mundy]

Originally posted by Dale Sorel:
XI

No way. Single number increments are for PC weenies.

How about... Mac OS XX

(Can't wait 'until XXX

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Ya right dude, Apple is already shipping training CD's for a product they haven't even hinted at.

Think Apple can sell us another 10.x upgrade this soon to 10.2?

BULLSHYT!

[Dale Sorel]

Originally posted by Simon Mundy:
No way. Single number increments are for PC weenies.

<beavis>Hee hee, he said PC weenies...</beavis>

[kman42]

This is such BS. 10.2 just shipped a few months ago. They are not going to be offering another point release until at least 9-12 months from the last one.

And I find it highly unlikely that they will suddenly jump to 10.5. There is no reason for it whatsoever. They have already established that major revisions to OSX will be point increments. Jumping to 10.5 would bring them back into the naming scheme of whole numbers being major revisions. This would imply that 10.5 would be a significantly larger update than either 10.1 or 10.2, which the next release will not be, and that 11.0 will be monumentally different. It's all just too confusing. Besides, they have quite a bit invested in the marketing of OSX as OS Ten. They are not going to lose the momentum by being prematurely forced out of the current naming scheme.

The next major release will be 10.3. It will likely be shipped for free (shipping/handling for $19.95 of course) and will probably be demo'd at WWDC and ship in 'summer'. I'm least sure of the pricing, but if the schedule is any sooner or the naming is different, I'll eat my shorts.

Someone get this guy a prescription for reality.

kman

[:XI:]

Originally posted by Dale Sorel:
XI

what?

[I Bent My Wookiee]

Liquidity X, your friends keep feeding you bullshît and you keep repeating it here. You have a really bad track record with this stuff so please think about the crap your "friends" are feeding you before you share it.

[CheesePuff]

Originally posted by Liquidity X:
nope diff one.

So how is that warm 40 GB iPod, and 19" LCD? How about the larger Cinema HD?

[Liquidity X]

Originally posted by CheesePuff:
So how is that warm 40 GB iPod, and 19" LCD? How about the larger Cinema HD?

gee what cam eout today? sorry I was off an inch, and u will see th others, don't wory.

[Agasthya]

Originally posted by Liquidity X:
gee what cam eout today? sorry I was off an inch, and u will see th others, don't wory.

It was pretty inevitable. Its like me saying "I have a friend at Apple and he says that Apple will break the 1.5GHz mark sometime in the future."

Bogus.

[BurpetheadX]

I think Apple has learned their lesson from previous upgrades like this. If I remember correctly, 10.0 and 10.2 were the two most pirated Operating Systems of all time (during the beta stages). Apple is now giving it only to internal people is my guess, and keeping it as secluded as possible. And I do think they will charge for it, as a "x".5 and "x".0 are considered major upgrades. (I.E. OS 8.1 - OS 8.5)

[wingdo]

Originally posted by agasthya:
It was pretty inevitable. Its like me saying "I have a friend at Apple and he says that Apple will break the 1.5GHz mark sometime in the future."

Bogus.

That should make things Snappier.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by Liquidity X:
gee what cam eout today? sorry I was off an inch, and u will see th others, don't wory.

All the MHz and LCD's in the world can help you with your spelling.

[PowerMatt]

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
10.5 is the right move. they can't keep in the X's forever, but is a good marketing stratagy.

X.V (10.5)

[KidRed]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
All the MHz and LCD's in the world can help you with your spelling.

Question the man's information from his supposed frineds at Apple, but why attack his typing? As it's bad typing not spelling you are pointing at.

[wataru]

Originally posted by I Bent My Wookiee:
You have a really bad track record with this stuff so please think about the crap your "friends" are feeding you before you share it.

What? A bad track record? I think his wonderful spelling is proof enough of his credibility.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by wataru:
What? A bad track record? I think his wonderful spelling is proof enough of his credibility.

Yes that and his bad track record:

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=133321

Plus he is 17 so what does he know

[Sarc]

from a marketing point of view, it's more profitable for apple to make the "X" last as long as possible ...

and IMHO ... the reason Jaguar is called like that it's because it needs to be recognized from 10.1, and 10.0, etc. if you name it plain 10.2 people get confused.

then again as the X sells. I presume Appe would like to go 10.3 ...

just my two cents.

[TheIceMan]

People, calm down. I'm sure we will all find out by summer/late fall or in 2004. IMHO, I believe that what Liquidity X is saying is true. We are awaiting the release of 10.2.4 very shortly (as it was clearly displayed as the OS version in the MWSF PowerBooks). But who's to say that Apple has to follow any kind of numerical system. Yes 10.3 seems logical with the 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.2.1, 10.2.2, 10.2.3, and soon 10.2.4. With the upcoming IBM 970, perhaps Apple believes that this is a significant improvement and/or change and thus the 10.5 jump. Since we are all on here rambling anyways, it is FUN to speculate.

People get so angry and take things so personally when something someone says doesn't fall in line with what they think. Some people have said that Apple won't do this and can't do that. Truth is, we are pawns in the marketing game of life.

Remember right before the MWSF 2003? We had people in all sorts of "camps" up in arms either defending or condeming Apple's charging for the iApps (now iLife). Some folks even said Apple was finished and that it would soon go broke b/c how could it possibly survive at 3-5% of the global market share. Then MWSF 2003 happened: new 12" & 17" PowerBooks, new Safari browser, new KeyNote, and new iLife. That quieted the doubters for a while until the next release or rumor of an upcoming release.

I think that's what keeps me coming back to MacNN. The people are PASSIONATE and they strongly hold on to their views (sometimes too strongly ). But after all is said and done, we still love our Macs and forgive Jobs and Apple for their shortcomings/mistakes/sins.

One thing I would bet money on is this: There is NO other group of computer users who are as passionate and as knowledgeable as Mac users. They may be knowledgeable, but NEVER as PASSIONATE. (Damn, this last paragraph would make a great Apple switcher's commercial!).

[lookmark]

Originally posted by kman42:
This is such BS. 10.2 just shipped a few months ago. They are not going to be offering another point release until at least 9-12 months from the last one.

And I find it highly unlikely that they will suddenly jump to 10.5. There is no reason for it whatsoever. They have already established that major revisions to OSX will be point increments. Jumping to 10.5 would bring them back into the naming scheme of whole numbers being major revisions. This would imply that 10.5 would be a significantly larger update than either 10.1 or 10.2, which the next release will not be, and that 11.0 will be monumentally different. It's all just too confusing. Besides, they have quite a bit invested in the marketing of OSX as OS Ten. They are not going to lose the momentum by being prematurely forced out of the current naming scheme.

The next major release will be 10.3. It will likely be shipped for free (shipping/handling for $19.95 of course) and will probably be demo'd at WWDC and ship in 'summer'. I'm least sure of the pricing, but if the schedule is any sooner or the naming is different, I'll eat my shorts.

Spot on. Except for the price, I think.

I'm hoping for staggered pricing (something like $99 for 10.2 users, $129 for 10.1 and OS 9 users) but it sure won't be free...

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by TheIceMan:
People, calm down. I'm sure we will all find out by summer/late fall or in 2004. IMHO, I believe that what Liquidity X is saying is true.

Huh? He is saying Apple is training staff NOW on 10.5 and you say it is coming out in 2004? What am I missing here?

[zazou]

Having managed a Apple Specialist with a large service dept for just over 3 years I can tell you this:

Apple has never pre-released any significant training on OS' or Hardware in the new reign of Jobs. Not via AppleMailbox, not via Learn & Earn, and not via their BootCamps.

Take that however you want to.

Memos on training for an unannounced version of a well guarded OS? Um, no, I don't think so.

[TheIceMan]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Huh? He is saying Apple is training staff NOW on 10.5 and you say it is coming out in 2004? What am I missing here?

Sorry I was not clear. What I meant to say is that we don't know when it's coming out. Like others on this forum, I am just trying to make a guess.

[wr11]

There is nothing wrong with 11. Is there?

[TC]

Originally posted by Liquidity X:
sorry I was off an inch

Painful for your girlfriend.

[Elektrix]

Whatever the next significant release is, does anyone have an idea of timeframe? I think Mac OS Rumors reported 10.3 as being likely to come out in late September.

-Elektrix

[JUnderwood]

Originally posted by CheesePuff:
I don't think that Apple has ever told their phone support about future OS X releases. They usually just know as much as we do.

The guy who got me an employee discount (25%) said that tech guys are the last people we tell things to because they are the closest to the people.

Anyway I think apple will release 10.3 before and then 10.4 then 10.5. 10 (X) is not something that you want to just rollover I mean 11 wtf. I think they will milk 10 for all it is worth.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by Elektrix:
Whatever the next significant release is, does anyone have an idea of timeframe? I think Mac OS Rumors reported 10.3 as being likely to come out in late September.

-Elektrix

Gee thank God for MacOS Rumors. They guess the next OS release will come out the same month every other OS update has ever come out.

Talk about inside info.

[JLL]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Gee thank God for MacOS Rumors. They guess the next OS release will come out the same month every other OS update has ever come out.

Talk about inside info.

Uhm, 10.2 was released in august

[Anomalous]

Apple could jump to 10.5 and still remain in the 10.x range for a long time. All they have to do is release 10.9, 10.99, 10.999...
<just kidding>

[Nebagakid]

Jesus, Apple is gonna keep on with the right way of doing updates

We are stuck with Mac OS X v.10.2.3 and then the next major upgrade is 10.3

Apple is doing it right with not skipping huge numbers... it seems very odd to me why people are complaining, is it just that you have to pay for a .1 update? Then don't think of it as that... take away the 10 in front and you are paying for a major upgrade, as you are

We will only see Mac OS X v.10.5 after we see 10.3 and 10.4 and yes, there will eventually be

Mac OS X v.11.0

ohkay? everyone happy? come on people, think a little!

[Superchicken]

Why tell Jesus when the next update's gona happen... he already knows... he's got that whole omnicient thing going on there