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Parky · Jan 30, 2003, 07:09 PM

I have just installed iLife on my Firewire equiped Indigo iBook.

iTunes and iPhoto are fine, but iMovie 3 does not work.

When you try to start iMovie you get a message that states that iMovie will only run at screen setting of 1024 x 768 or higher.

As these iBooks have a maximum of 800 x 640, it means that iMovie 3 is now off limits.

iMovie 2 was fine on these machines !!

It does not state this restriction on the box, or on the web site, quite a problem for some I think, including me. I now don't have a mobile video editing unit, when I did have 30 minutes ago.

Seems we are being pushed to update our laptops, it really could be the 'year of the laptop'.

Thanks Steve !!!

gorickey · Jan 30, 2003, 07:14 PM

Oh my, this is NOT going to go over well....surely somebody will figure out the "pref hack" around this or something.

Wow.

CheesePuff · Jan 30, 2003, 07:19 PM

Well clam-shell iBooks go for about $400 on eBay and 500 MHz iBooks with the 1024x768 screen resolutions go for about $550, so it won't cost that much to upgrade.

gorickey · Jan 30, 2003, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by CheesePuff:
Well clam-shell iBooks go for about $400 on eBay and 500 MHz iBooks with the 1024x768 screen resolutions go for about $550, so it won't cost that much to upgrade.

LOL, interesting way of looking at it.

Parky · Jan 30, 2003, 07:29 PM

I'd rather not have to upgrade at all !!

It seems I may need to get a 12" PB after all.

Adam Betts · Jan 30, 2003, 07:40 PM

I guess 10.2.4 would fix all problems with iMovie 3. iMovie 3 seem so slow but I guess that's what I get for trying a software that haven't been released to public yet.

I don't understand why iMovie 3 isn't using 90 degree light (same as iPhoto) for brushed metal like AddressBook, iCal, etc.

iMovie 3/iPhoto = slow

iCal, AddressBook, Safari etc = pretty fast.

There must be two different types of Brushed Metal for Cocoa (excluding carbon brushed metal, of course). I hope they'll use one brushed metal for all so they won't become like Adobe (all adobe apps have different GUI... horrible). Probably they're using old brushed metal from 10.1 as iPhoto and iMovie 3 has been in development during 10.1 days. Either way, I hope they'll improve the speed for all apps

Parky · Jan 30, 2003, 07:43 PM

I'm using the public release of iMovie 3, and it does not work for me on my iBook.

Very disapointing as I like to edit my videos while I'm out on holiday. I can see what extra shots I need, etc.

Looks like I will have to upgrade to a new machine, or see if I can move back to the pre iLife release.

iDriveX · Jan 30, 2003, 09:32 PM

Trust me, you don't want to use iMovie 3 on an iBook period. I installed it on a 600 Mhz iBook G3 (ATI Rage) and it's almost unuseable it's so slow. I imported 12 pictures into it with that zoom dealie they made a big deal about and then pressed the play button to see what it would look like. First off I had to wait 15 seconds for the button to actually sense I clicked it and then it didn't do the zoom effects and was very very very choppy. You could NOT edit video on this at all.

Superchicken · Jan 30, 2003, 09:53 PM

I can send you iMovie 2 I still have it on my iMac

Parky · Jan 31, 2003, 02:36 AM

Thanks for the offer of iMovie 2, but I still have the discs that I got with the iBook,

Ian

hypermac · Jan 31, 2003, 02:51 AM

The lack of disclosure is horrible. I can understand requirements going up, but this should be clearly spelled out.

One should not have to install to figure it out.

Sorry to hear it Parky!

philzilla · Jan 31, 2003, 03:04 AM

actually, iPhoto2 complains about screen resolution too, but then lets you use it

i can see a lot of people needing Pacifist to drag iMovie2 back off their OS X cd

very lame indeed, the way this wasn't mentioned at all. dissing hardware that isn't even a full 2 years out of service? that's just pathetic

Parky · Jan 31, 2003, 03:04 AM

At least I have an alternative, I can use my iMac to make my movies.

Some people will not have the choice. How many people who bought the original Firewire iBooks and use it to edit video are going to know about this.

They will think a new version of iMovie will give them more, spend some time doing the download, install it and find they have a useless machine for video now. Which is a real shame because that was one of the things that sold the Firewire iBooks in the first place.

Ditital video was the only main use of the firewire port when they can out, there where no iPods then, and not many firewire drives. It was all about connecting video cameras.

I think they should have a warning on the web site and the box to be honest. Or at least tell you before you install it.

On a second point iPhoto 2 still gives you a warning about the screen, but at least it still works.

philzilla · Jan 31, 2003, 03:06 AM

i reckon me & parky go and kick Jobs in the nuts

Parky · Jan 31, 2003, 03:07 AM

I don't think that will help really.

There is not much they can do about it other than a rewrite. It's all because they have made iMovie fit into a window now rather than taking over the screen. They just don't have the room to fit it all in.

JLL · Jan 31, 2003, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
There must be two different types of Brushed Metal for Cocoa (excluding carbon brushed metal, of course). I hope they'll use one brushed metal for all so they won't become like Adobe (all adobe apps have different GUI... horrible). Probably they're using old brushed metal from 10.1 as iPhoto and iMovie 3 has been in development during 10.1 days. Either way, I hope they'll improve the speed for all apps

As long as the apps are made to run under 10.1.x they can't use the built in brushed theme.

The requirements for iLife is 10.1.5 or higher.

mitchell_pgh · Jan 31, 2003, 07:38 AM

I would have to say that iMovie 3 is a little too power hungry for the iBooks... maybe not, but I would just stick with iMovie 2...

There really aren't ALL that many advantages to the upgrade...

Parky · Jan 31, 2003, 08:43 AM

I agree that users can stay on iMovie 2, but then you loose the new features which are quite good.

New Liquid Timeline editing interface

New audio effects from Skywalker Sound

Ken Burns documentary-style effects

Complete control of clips, music and sound effect volumes

Pro-quality special effects and new titles

Chapter markers for use with your DVD projects

Send movies to iDVD with one click

Pity to not have all this, and the iLife integration as well.

scottiB · Jan 31, 2003, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Trust me, you don't want to use iMovie 3 on an iBook period. I installed it on a 600 Mhz iBook G3 (ATI Rage) and it's almost unuseable it's so slow. I imported 12 pictures into it with that zoom dealie they made a big deal about and then pressed the play button to see what it would look like. First off I had to wait 15 seconds for the button to actually sense I clicked it and then it didn't do the zoom effects and was very very very choppy. You could NOT edit video on this at all.

Do you think this is due to your iBook lacking Quartz Extreme capability or the app being ungainly?

Pardon if I'm off base on the question.

SMacTech · Jan 31, 2003, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by hypermac:
The lack of disclosure is horrible. I can understand requirements going up, but this should be clearly spelled out. One should not have to install to figure it out.

Sorry to hear it Parky!

You mean like installing Jag on an iMac DV 400 with 9.04 and having it hose your firmware so you cannot see video on the CRT, only on an external display?
How hard is it for an installer to check video resolution or a firmware version?
Not too hard!