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Demonhood · 05:08 PM

I've updated the description/title of both this forum and the Mac OS X. We've dropped the "third-party" from the title since Apple keeps releasing apps that don't really qualify as being "part of the OS". And I've added the words "operating system" to this one just to make it clear that this isn't for general software applications.

What that means is that questions/comments/speculation about iApps and Keynote, etc.. should go in the software forum from now on.

Anyone got a problem with that?

{edit} don't worry, this is only temporarily sticky. i'll hose it down soon enough.

IUJHJSDHE · Feb 4, 2003, 06:13 PM

It says "Discussion, support and speculation relating to the Mac OS X operating system."

This thread has nothing to do with Discussion, support and speculation relating to the Mac OS X operating system.

You should move it to the lounge or something

IUJHJSDHE · Feb 4, 2003, 06:49 PM

Stupid double post

kman42 · Feb 4, 2003, 07:50 PM

I have a problem with it. Seriously, I'm not just messing with you. I think that this forum should be OSX and Apple apps. There is a lot of integration with the apps, .mac, and the OS and it is only going to become more integrated. I think it is a mistake to break out Apple apps from the discussion.

Just food for though.

kman

sandsl · Feb 4, 2003, 07:58 PM

I think it should be Mac OS X and iApps but thats just my opinion....why don't we vote

Xeo · Feb 4, 2003, 08:37 PM

I'm not exactly sure how to clarify it further, but I know there are discussions where Apple software is on topic in here. However, when Apple releases a new piece of software, all the threads talking about what it is and how good/bad it is should be placed in the Software forum.

So, as a general rule, I think non OS software belongs in the Software forum.

voodoo · Feb 4, 2003, 09:29 PM

I think this is a strange move. The most common topics of discussion in OS X general were about Apple OS X apps and how they interacted with the OS. Then there were some troubleshooting questions and bitching about rumors. Is that all that is going to be left in the OS X general then? If it ain't broke...

just my comment. Carry on.

gadster · Feb 4, 2003, 09:43 PM

Good move, about time.

MountainMac · Feb 4, 2003, 10:05 PM

Hmm...I agree with what Xeo said, except for the conclusion. I think that most of the iApp discussion should go in this forum, since Apple seems to sell the "tight integration" of the iLife/iApps and OS X. Rumors, "iMovie suxx a**!!!" posts, and flame wars should all go in the Lounge. Or maybe even a separate forum...

Perhaps a vote would be in order?

Originally posted by Xeo:
I'm not exactly sure how to clarify it further, but I know there are discussions where Apple software is on topic in here. However, when Apple releases a new piece of software, all the threads talking about what it is and how good/bad it is should be placed in the Software forum.

So, as a general rule, I think non OS software belongs in the Software forum.

krove · Feb 4, 2003, 10:09 PM

Meh...

No one posts in the correct forums anyway because people don't care enough.

bradoesch · Feb 4, 2003, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by krove:
Meh...

No one posts in the correct forums anyway because people don't care enough.

I agree with that. If people would think a bit before they post new threads...

CharlesS · Feb 5, 2003, 01:35 AM

I think the OS 9 / OS X division made more sense than the OS X / (9 and X) Software division does.

But what do I know...

JLL · Feb 5, 2003, 02:25 AM

Originally posted by Xeo:
I'm not exactly sure how to clarify it further, but I know there are discussions where Apple software is on topic in here. However, when Apple releases a new piece of software, all the threads talking about what it is and how good/bad it is should be placed in the Software forum.

So, as a general rule, I think non OS software belongs in the Software forum.

The problem is, that the iApps either are or will be part of the OS.

Remember that most of them is installed with the OS itself.

Keynote belongs in the software forum - iApps don't.

TC · Feb 5, 2003, 03:45 AM

Is there any way of setting up hierarchies of forums so that contained inside a Software forum would be sub forums for iApps? The posts in the sub forums would be visible in the parent forum but if you want to look specifically for posts about iPhoto for example you could move into that forum.

Looked at the vBulletin site and you can have sub forums but I think they would just show up as a seperate forum in the parent forum rather than displaying its posts.

sadie · Feb 5, 2003, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by JLL:
The problem is, that the iApps either are or will be part of the OS.

Not they're not. Just because an app ships with the OS doesn't mean it's part of it. Microsoft tried to do this with IE, and I don't think it's any different when Apple tried to do it with the iApps. There are other MP3 players than iTunes (if they're not dead yet), just as there are other browsers than IE.

Be careful of double standards, people.

sadie · Feb 5, 2003, 04:03 AM

TC suggested:
Is there any way of setting up hierarchies of forums so that contained inside a Software forum would be sub forums for iApps? The posts in the sub forums would be visible in the parent forum but if you want to look specifically for posts about iPhoto for example you could move into that forum.

Ooo, nice idea!

OreoCookie · Feb 5, 2003, 04:50 AM

How about an Apple app forum then ...

kman42 · Feb 5, 2003, 11:27 AM

While separation is good for major topics, too much separation can be bad. It is really time consuming to browse these forums and if topics of interest are spread out in different areas, it is really frustrating.

You should try to keep topics together that a certain group of people are interested in. If people are interested in discussing OSX, they are probably interested in discussing Apple's software as well. This is evidenced by the ACTIVE threads in this forum.

Dividing forums too specifically will greatly diminish the activity for all of the threads. That means the end of the usefulness of the forums.

Try to keep the community together.

kman

absmiths · Feb 5, 2003, 01:20 PM

Where does .mac go? Is it Mac OS X general, or Software? It isn't technically software, and it definitely is not part of the OS.

Speaking of that, which apps DO qualify as part of the OS: Mail.app; Terminal.app; tcsh; Finder.app; Dock.app; Process Viewer.app; etc, etc? I mean, really, do we only count frameworks as The OS?

jmiddel · Feb 5, 2003, 06:29 PM

IMHO: I would prefer for my ease of use, to have all Apple apps, including the OS, in one spot, and third party stuff in another spot. That way I can just go to OSX forum and browse everything generally relevant, and only go to the software forum when I have a problem with third party stuff, which is generally rare for me.
Perhaps we should vote, after all it is a matter of what is most convenient for greatest numbers of users.

wingdo · Feb 5, 2003, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by JLL:
Keynote belongs in the software forum - iApps don't.

What about QuickTime? In a software forum or an OS forum? Why should an iTunes question go in the OS X forum? There is an iTunes for OS 9 as well.

Software in software forums, OS questions in OS forums.

JHromadka · Feb 5, 2003, 08:28 PM

What about Address Book? It's part of the OS, but talks to many apps.

Superchicken · Feb 5, 2003, 09:29 PM

Honestly I don't know why the third party software and OS X software are seperate from OS X. Or wait... yeah see that last sentence was as confusing as what I'm thinking or...

Anyway, why the split? There's no real reason, neither forum gets enough activity to justify it really, I'm on a forum where we go through about a page of new topics a day about 60, and no one really cares its not annoying if anything it makes it so that the posts don't all become dragged out and lame.

Serious I would say this distinction is pretty lame... I really don't see why there's a problem with the current set up.

Moonray · Feb 6, 2003, 06:14 PM

iLikeit

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JLL · Feb 8, 2003, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by wingdo:
What about QuickTime? In a software forum or an OS forum? Why should an iTunes question go in the OS X forum? There is an iTunes for OS 9 as well.

Software in software forums, OS questions in OS forums.

Since the system itself are using QuickTime to show images, movies and more, it should go in the Mac OS X forum.

But I would really like to see ONE Mac OS X forum covering everything Mac OS X related.

tooki · Feb 10, 2003, 03:14 PM

That would ignore the fact that most Mac applications right now are available for both OS X and OS 9 (and the vast majority are essentially identical on both OSes). That's why they go in one unified Software forum. Then there are separate forums for the two OSes themselves. Capisci?

tooki