[trusted_content]

and if so, does anyone know where I can find that little "music player" app they bundled with it? obviously iTunes does the job 10 times better (and they may be the same app), but it looks pretty nifty in its simplicity... at least from the old screenshots I've seen...


and second question of course is if anyone knows where i might be able to find it.

thank you.

[Parky]

I have the public beta CD but I can't find the app on the CD.

It must be hidden in there somewhere, sorry.

[trusted_content]

Damn... Here's the screenshots... looks shweet!





i want!!!

[Chaaaosss]

Yeah. Why the hell can't our brushed metal be like that? Seems much more fitting to the Aqua theme than this [edit: dark] gray crap.

[fulmer]

I've heard that it wouldn't play in current versions of OS X, so you're out of luck in that regard.

as for the Public Beta--yeah, I remmber those heady days. I still have an unopened copy in its plastic shrinkwrap.

[WJMoore]

It was pretty average from memory... Anyway after a lot of mucking around (learning pax and stuff) I managed to extract it from my Public Beta CD. The bad news is, it doesn't run. It bounces in the dock a few times and then disappears (without an unexpectedly quit message). About the only program that would run from the Public Beta Applications folder was PDFCompositor. Remember that one? Anyway if you still want Music Player I disk imaged (1.2Mb) it and can e-mail it to you if you give me your address.

Wesley

[Sarc]

can you mirror it please ?

[Cipher13]

Public Beta... what a joke of a piece of software.

[ryju]

could you send to me please? ryju@mac.com

[trusted_content]

Originally posted by WJMoore:
Anyway if you still want Music Player I disk imaged (1.2Mb) it and can e-mail it to you if you give me your address.

Wesley

Sure, send it on down to wherethespamgoes@yahoo.com (yes, thats a real address )

And did you check your console to see if it spit out any interesting messages?

2003-02-05 03:39:25.718 musicPlayer Launch Failed -- ALL LOYAL MAC USERS MUST USE iTunes - OBEY THE WILL OF THE COLLECTIVE - YOG SOBHOTH CTHULHU FTHAGN!!!11!!!!!11!!!

2003-02-05 03:39:25.987 fix prebinding failed

[greenG4]

Ahh...the days when I would boot up X just to look at it. Then boot back into 9 so I could run Digital Performer...

[godzookie2k]

Originally posted by greenG4:
Ahh...the days when I would boot up X just to look at it. Then boot back into 9 so I could run Digital Performer...

and just about anything else?

[Mediaman_12]

Did the public beta even have Classic? I can't remember.

Somone could hack out the GUI of the Mp3 player and make a Audion skin or something?

[GORDYmac]

The Public Beta days were fun. Man, that OS sucked!

[smeger]

Hey, as long as your mailing it out, I'd like to take a look at it, too.

feedback aaaat geekspiff dottttt com

Thanks!

[OptimusG4]

Originally posted by Mediaman_12:
Did the public beta even have Classic? I can't remember.

Somone could hack out the GUI of the Mp3 player and make a Audion skin or something?

I believe it did, running OS 9.04. Then when PB #2 (10.0) came out, it ran 9.1 in classic. When OS X final (10.1) came out, I believe that ran classic 9.2 on it. Could be wrong though.

[foobars]

Don't waste your time- the app won't even open it requires outdated versions of the audio frameworks.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
Public Beta... what a joke of a piece of software.

Not as bad as Copland... Ugh, you needed two systems to even get it going... on to run on and another to debug...

[Millennium]

Originally posted by Mediaman_12:
Somone could hack out the GUI of the Mp3 player and make a Audion skin or something?

That was done a long time ago.

Panic used to have it on their Faces page, but I think Apple made them take it down. However, it's been done, and so it can be done again.

[Earth Mk. II]

Originally posted by GORDYmac:
The Public Beta days were fun. Man, that OS sucked!

Yeah, but I never put anything important on it, so it was fun ushing it to it's limits... not that that was always a challange.

And it had the apple logo in the middle of the menu bar.. and completly useless.

[malbicho]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
Not as bad as Copland... Ugh, you needed two systems to even get it going... on to run on and another to debug...

That's why it was pure fun

[clebin]

Originally posted by OptimusG4:
I believe it did, running OS 9.04. Then when PB #2 (10.0) came out, it ran 9.1 in classic. When OS X final (10.1) came out, I believe that ran classic 9.2 on it. Could be wrong though.

Yeah, you could run Classic in the Public Beta. I remember you couldn't copy and paste between the two environments though.

To be honest, you get 90% of the pleasure of that Music Player app through looking at the screenshot....

Chris

[normyzo]

FWIW, the reason MusicPlayer fails to launch is that no 'cfrg' resource exists in Music Player.app/Contents/Resources/Music Player.rsrc

If you add a suitable 'cfrg' and 'carb' resources it will indeed launch. The 'cfrg' just needs to be a basic one since there is only one PEF container in the data fork. Only one member, all the defaults should be fine. ResEdit can do this.

However, since there have been framework changes since Public Beta, there are undefined symbols on startup. They could perhaps be marked weak but you need a PEF editor to do that and PEFViewer is just that: a Viewer. You can't edit anything with it. But regardless, the app actually launches.

2003-02-05 17:09:09.701 Music Player[25963] CFLog (21): Error loading : error code 7, error number 0 (dyld: /Users/dan/Desktop/Music Player copy.app/Contents/MacOS/Music Player Undefined symbols:
_CGSScaleCTM
_ClipCGSContextToPortShape
)

However, when you try to do _anything_, it always bombs with errors. Probably something to do with PowerPlant way back when PowerPlant sucked for X.

Date/Time: 2003-02-05 17:09:16 -0600
OS Version: 10.2.3 (Build 6G30)
Host: Jade.local.

Command: Music Player
PID: 25963

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000084

Thread 0 Crashed:
#0 0x0024c208 in CMediaDoc::Close(void)
#1 0x0024a5f4 in LDocument::AttemptClose(unsigned char)
#2 0x00249e28 in LDocument::ObeyCommand(long, void *)
#3 0x0024dde8 in CCDDoc::ObeyCommand(long, void *)
#4 0x001b0e68 in LCommander::ProcessCommand(long, void *)
#5 0x00221ccc in CApplication::CloseCurrentDoc(void)
#6 0x00221474 in CApplication::SetMode(EPlayerMode, unsigned char, unsigned char)
#7 0x00220ff8 in CApplication::ObeyCommand(long, void *)
#8 0x001b0e68 in LCommander::ProcessCommand(long, void *)
#9 0x001b29ac in LEventDispatcher::ClickMenuBar(EventRecord const &)
#10 0x001b2828 in LEventDispatcher::EventMouseDown(EventRecord const &)
#11 0x001b2500 in LEventDispatcher::DispatchEvent(EventRecord const &)
#12 0x001af23c in LApplication::ProcessNextEvent(void)
#13 0x0021f704 in CApplication::ProcessNextEvent(void)
#14 0x001aef58 in Run__12LA
#15 0x0021190c in AppMain(void)
#16 0x0021186c in main

Thread 1:
#0 0x90073c48 in mach_msg_trap
#1 0x90005f90 in mach_msg
#2 0xc0007754 in __ape_internal
#3 0xc000119c in __ape_agent
#4 0x90020d48 in _pthread_body

PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x0024c208 srr1: 0x0000f030 vrsave: 0x00000000
xer: 0x00000000 lr: 0x0024c1f8 ctr: 0x001ac0dc mq: 0x00000000
r0: 0x0024c1f8 r1: 0xbffff3c0 r2: 0x00309000 r3: 0x00000080
r4: 0x00000000 r5: 0x00000000 r6: 0x00000000 r7: 0x00000004
r8: 0x00047010 r9: 0xa0220a00 r10: 0x9022cf60 r11: 0x0187c000
r12: 0x00302b00 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000000
r16: 0x00000000 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0x00000000
r20: 0xbffffe70 r21: 0xffffffff r22: 0xbffffc20 r23: 0x00052da0
r24: 0x00070160 r25: 0x00005000 r26: 0xbffffe60 r27: 0x00338440
r28: 0x00000001 r29: 0x6e6f2020 r30: 0x00000001 r31: 0x00338440

If anyone has more ideas and impetus to track down why its crashing, be my guest :)

Dan

[normyzo]

If you go Source->Audio Source->Other... you get some wierd results.

First, a white box appears where the controller would be. Next, you do get a dialog that presumably would list sources, but has nothing in it. You can click "Choose..." to pick more sources but I have yet to find anythign that will work.

So, because the controller window doesn't show up and doesn't draw right, I would suspect the WDEFDrawBundle.bundle might have something to do with all of this (its in Music Player.app's Resources folder). Either that or simply modified OS X framework code/symbols.

Dan

[tikki]

If I had that skin for Audio, I'd use it in a heartbeat. I have never found a skin I have actually liked. Anyone that find it gets a hero cookie from me.

While we are being all nostalgic, anyone got some old school PB1 screen shots we can gawk/boo at?

[sniffer]

Originally posted by tikki:

While we are being all nostalgic, anyone got some old school PB1 screen shots we can gawk/boo at?

I have strong memories being a swicher and new imac owner in that pre X era. Couldn't hardly wait for 10.0. LOL! :drool:

Post pictures please!

[Superchicken]

I remember looking at the OS X public beta in Mac Addict... I was soo excited that it could use two processors!
hahaha

Man that's great... I got OS X in like June some time and then 9.2 and 10.1 when the update came out... it was shaweet
Well 9.2 was anyway heh... I should upgrade to Jag some day...

I wish I had been able to use Copland... why on earth was it named that?

[Mac Guru]

This thread is making me want to break out my DP2/3/4 CD's and install them on my iMac that's in the corner...

My favorite thing was the original Dock. BOY did that thing suck...



Makes me wonder what OS X icons would have looked like if the "BOX" idea was what the dock used...

Mac Guru

[schalliol]

Of course, it was something else to see the pre-alpha of Rhapsody. Boy was that nutty.

We had an Apple employee showing it to us at an event at the time. Ahh, those were the days.

[Mac Guru]

Here's an old easter egg from DP3:



I think the coolest from DP3 was that Classic had a ClassicX appearance selection in the Appearance Control Panel





Another gratuitous DP3 dock shot... No open app arrows, there was a colored line or a white line...



The Good ol Finder window with the big rounded square buttons...



And the coolest, you could actually remove Aqua by mucking in the HIToolbox and Extras.rsrc and actually REMOVING references to Aqua elements.



Mac Guru

[OptimusG4]

Ahh, nostalgia. I loved the Platinum appearance in DP3, made the transition seem almost seemless..*sniff*

[voodoo]

Ah this brings back memories.

[tikki]

The rounded buttons make well people sick.

Thank God Apple listened to most of the user feedback people sent.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Earth Mk. II:
Yeah, but I never put anything important on it, so it was fun ushing it to it's limits... not that that was always a challange.

And it had the apple logo in the middle of the menu bar.. and completly useless.

I just saw the movie 'One Hour Photo' with Robin Williams. Mr. Yorkin has a G4 Cube with a new-style LCD Apple Studio Display. Look closely. He's running OSX, with the Apple in the center of the menubar, and no Apple menu. As per the beta and pre-beta days.

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
Not as bad as Copland... Ugh, you needed two systems to even get it going... on to run on and another to debug...

True that. But it was such a hardcore experience!

[wr11]

Good thing I keep those old Audion Faces.

for Audion (2 Skins (faces), I think the "music player" one is the best)

[freeandunmuzzled]

hem hem...

http://marcus.freeandunmuzzled.com/goodies/skins.html

[schalliol]

What a crappy site, it won't let you use Safari and REALLY wants to know what browser you're using.

[Simon]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
Public Beta... what a joke of a piece of software.

Man Cipher, normally you post quite reasonable stuff, but this is just bullshït.

It wasn't a joke, it was the beginning of the OS we use today. It was the foundation. Needless to say that it incorporated more features and greater stability than many other OS that had more time to evolve.

If you think it's a joke because you couldn't use it for everyday work then I conclude that you can't read. It was public beta... beta as in "for testing purposes".

Jee wiz.

[WJMoore]

Originally posted by trusted_content:
Sure, send it on down to wherethespamgoes@yahoo.com (yes, thats a real address )

And did you check your console to see if it spit out any interesting messages?

2003-02-05 03:39:25.718 musicPlayer Launch Failed -- ALL LOYAL MAC USERS MUST USE iTunes - OBEY THE WILL OF THE COLLECTIVE - YOG SOBHOTH CTHULHU FTHAGN!!!11!!!!!11!!!

2003-02-05 03:39:25.987 fix prebinding failed

I checked out the Console and this is all it says:
Launch failed with error code -2857

Oh and I'm about done e-mailing it... I want some upstream bandwidth (on my dialup connection) back.

Wesley

[Person Man]

Originally posted by Mac Guru:

I think the coolest from DP3 was that Classic had a ClassicX appearance selection in the Appearance Control Panel

Anyone have that ClassicX Appearance file? I'd love to get my hands on a copy

[normyzo]

Originally posted by WJMoore:
I checked out the Console and this is all it says:
Launch failed with error code -2857

Oh and I'm about done e-mailing it... I want some upstream bandwidth (on my dialup connection) back.

Wesley

Wesley,

This means that the app doesn't have the 'cfrg' and 'carb' resources in its resource file. See my post above with the backtrace about why this error occurs.

dan

[normyzo]

Originally posted by WJMoore:
I checked out the Console and this is all it says:
Launch failed with error code -2857

Oh and I'm about done e-mailing it... I want some upstream bandwidth (on my dialup connection) back.

Wesley

Wesley,

This means that the app doesn't have the 'cfrg' and 'carb' resources in its resource file. See my post above with the backtrace about why this error occurs.

dan

[mudzilla]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
Public Beta... what a joke of a piece of software.

whilst OS X has changed quite a lot, cipher's constant whining hasn't changed one bit...

[a holck]

the classic x will not work in the current Classic environment.

[Person Man]

Originally posted by a holck:
the classic x will not work in the current Classic environment.

Is it not just another Appearance Theme for OS 9? Other Appearance Themes work fine from within Classic...

[barbarian]

I'd really love to get a complete set of screenshots (uncompressed please) from the DP and the PB. Does anyone have these dinasaurs still installed?

[tikki]

Originally posted by barbarian:
I'd really love to get a complete set of screenshots (uncompressed please) from the DP and the PB. Does anyone have these dinasaurs still installed?

If I had the discs, I would do it, but I didn't switch until 10.0 was released.

If anyone wants to donate them to me, I will gladly

[xi_hyperon]

I've got a G4 1.25 Ghz with a partitioned drive, and I've got the public beta CD. Would the pb work on hardware this recent? I'd like to play around with it just to get a sense of how far OS X has come. Anybody know if it would run?

[Ricky]

If you're going to install the PB, be sure to disconnect from your network. During bootup, it'll check the date and time. If you're connected to the web, you'll be told that the beta has expired. You don't get this message until you've gone though the process of installing it.

[CheesePuff]

Nah, it won't install. I tried to install Mac OS X 10.0 on a G4 800 MHz Tower and it didn't work, and when trying to get the public beta on a G4 733 MHz Tower I got a kernal panic.