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Green Leaf · Feb 5, 2003, 09:48 AM

Everyone i know liked iMovie2. Sure their were feautres that we wanted....but no big deal. It did what we wanted it to do.

With the release of iMovie 3, you have to wonder what Apple was thinking? Why replace a great program with something slow and buggy?? Did they not properly test this program? Or did they just give us a beta?

The feedback Apple is getting on this app is negative. I think it has some really cool features, but i can't use them because the program keeps freezing. (example: open up a movie created in iMovie2 and click on a clip that contains a title. CRASH!!!

Forgetting the bugs for a moment, this program is much slower than version2. You can't refute this issue! You will probably need a 1.4GHZ machine to run it smoothly! Maybe this is Apple's way of forcing us to upgrade out systems.

Totally disappointed!

People, i'm stating the obvious! You can be in denial (AGAIN) or maybe FOR ONCE...you can agree with me.

piracy · Feb 5, 2003, 10:01 AM

bradoesch · Feb 5, 2003, 10:04 AM

So piracy, if Green Leaf started a thread with his opinion about iMovie 3, and it happened to be positive, would you have posted the same image?

piracy · 10:16 AM

So piracy, if Green Leaf started a thread with his opinion about iMovie 3, and it happened to be positive, would you have posted the same image?

Yes, because Green Leaf is a trolling jackass.

(Note: some of the things he says may have an element of truth to them, but I'm sure that you can tell the difference between CONSTRUCTIVE thought and criticism, and trolling designed to elicit a response, in true troll style: "Why would Apple release an unstable and slow software update called iMovie3 ???", "slow and buggy", "CRASH!!!", "Apple's way of forcing us to upgrade out systems", "You can be in denial (AGAIN)". These statements are not constructive. Perhaps if Green Leaf thought about it for two seconds, he might realize that the best was done in the timeframe that was given for iMovie 3. It clearly has issues for some people. Logically, Apple doesn't want to piss off cutomers, give people "slow" or "buggy" software, or release iApps to "force" people to upgrade hardware. Since these are the only statements that actually are true (unlike this Green Leaf post and many others), the only irrefutable truth that remains is that Green Leaf is a troll.)

mitchell_pgh · Feb 5, 2003, 10:18 AM

1) This post shouldn't be in this forum. Please not that ALL software issues should go there.

2) I would have to guess that you were also one of the people bitching when Apple delayed the applications for week. You wanted it fast and perfect.

3) If you don't care for iMovie 3, you can continue to use iMovie 2. Apple isn't forcing you to upgrade.

4) It's a free application.

5) It may have bugs, but many features have changed. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't see an update or upgrade within the next few months.

Considering your other witty threads such as:

- The Biggest Apple Blunder Ever!!!
- iCal and its limited functions (AGAIN)
- First really bad feature of OS X 10.2's iChat

We know you are prone to negative evaluations.

piracy · Feb 5, 2003, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
We know you are prone to negative evaluations.

No, it's not just negative evaluations. It's TROLLING.

troll

n. An individual who chronically and regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net

MacGorilla · Feb 5, 2003, 10:46 AM

Ahh...Green Leaf/Kelly Hogan/El Pre$idente returns! Whats that sound? Its the sound me telling El Kelly Leaf to shut the f*ck up and go away.

Developer · Feb 5, 2003, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by MacGorilla:
Its the sound me telling El Kelly Leaf to shut the f*ck up and go away.

How funny. One known troll telling the other to shut up.

MacGorilla · Feb 5, 2003, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Developer:
How funny. One known troll telling the other to shut up.

Since when have I been a "known troll"? This is news to me!

dlefebvre · Feb 5, 2003, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Green Leaf:
open up a movie created in iMovie2 and click on a clip that contains a title. CRASH!!!

Sure, but at the same Time... I manage a post-production house with 8 Avid|DS systems (a $100K+ High end compositing system). Every time we upgrade to a new version we have problems. We're talking of a $5000 per system upgrade or a $9000/year per system maintenance contract.
The problems we usually have (and not always) : opening projects from a previous version. That the law of upgrading. For every new feature, there's a price to pay.

Nebagakid · Feb 5, 2003, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by piracy:

excellece, pure excellence!

Toyin · Feb 5, 2003, 02:57 PM

I don't want to get into MacNN politics (who's kelly hogan, who's trolling...etc) but I agree with the original statement

Dual 500 with 1.5gb of RAM and iMovie 3 crawls. ie:
1) Click the play button and the movie doesn't start for at least 5 seconds.
2) Dragging the play head around lags significantly
3) Clicking on photos and then selecting a photo will take up to 30seconds to appear. (Subsequent selections are faster)
4) Launch time takes a good 15-20seconds

v2 spanks v3 in almost every speed aspect. Honestly I've never watched the spinning beachball so much in OSX. I've repaired permissions, removed extra languages, fscked, and techtooled the drive and nothing improved performance.

iMovie 3, the new GUI and new features are fantastic, but the execution is poor. I'm glad I kept a copy of iMovie 2. I'm hoping my soon to arrive 12"PB will do a better job.

*disclaimer - all these tests were done on a 30minute movie with numerous cuts/transitions done in iMovie2. Maybe a fresh project would be better.

xi_hyperon · Feb 5, 2003, 04:56 PM

Why would Apple release an unstable and slow software update called iMovie3 ???

Because you've never been laid, and Apple wanted to give you something with which to channel your frustration.

Anand · Feb 5, 2003, 08:37 PM

" v2 spanks v3 in almost every speed aspect. Honestly I've never watched the spinning beachball so much in OSX."

Something is wrong. I am seeing a huge increase in speed with v3 versus v2. I had made a 85 mintue movie in Jan with v 2 and doing anything was slow. Movie the clips (in the bottom bar) left to right took forever. In v3 this is smooth as silk. Launch is fine, better than v2 and fine for what it is. Either my v2 - which I have installed and used on several machines - sucked or v3 really is better. And I think v3 is better.

This is on a G4 iMac with 768 Ram.

voodoo · Feb 5, 2003, 09:26 PM

I'd just like to see El Kelly Leaf post in the Lounge. He'd fit right in the crowd there. Converse with Atef's carcase and all. They are like about equally wierd.

Superchicken · Feb 5, 2003, 09:37 PM

Every time I've ventured into the lounge... I end up finding nothing that interests me.

tikki · Feb 5, 2003, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
Every time I've ventured into the lounge... I end up finding nothing that interests me.

Thats why I avoid it.

Gul Banana · Feb 5, 2003, 10:50 PM

When I saw the title of this thread, I said "Eh?"
Then, I saw who it was posted by, and said "Oh god, not again".
It really does impede sensible discussion to acquire a reputation for trolling, which is something Green Leaf should keep in mind if he ever wants to make an even halfway-serious post.

bradoesch · Feb 6, 2003, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by piracy:
Yes, because Green Leaf is a trolling jackass.

(Note: some of the things he says may have an element of truth to them, but I'm sure that you can tell the difference between CONSTRUCTIVE thought and criticism, and trolling designed to elicit a response, in true troll style: "Why would Apple release an unstable and slow software update called iMovie3 ???", "slow and buggy", "CRASH!!!", "Apple's way of forcing us to upgrade out systems", "You can be in denial (AGAIN)". These statements are not constructive. Perhaps if Green Leaf thought about it for two seconds, he might realize that the best was done in the timeframe that was given for iMovie 3. It clearly has issues for some people. Logically, Apple doesn't want to piss off cutomers, give people "slow" or "buggy" software, or release iApps to "force" people to upgrade hardware. Since these are the only statements that actually are true (unlike this Green Leaf post and many others), the only irrefutable truth that remains is that Green Leaf is a troll.)

I see your point. I didn't know he had a history of this type of thing.