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eddiecatflap · Feb 9, 2003, 03:37 PM

..in 9 , we had put away for items moved to the desktop , is there a corresponding feature in x ?

chabig · Feb 9, 2003, 03:57 PM

I always like that feature of earlier Mac OS versions. Unfortunately it's gone in OS X. At least for now.

I suppose that's because the OS 9 (and earlier) desktop was sort of a 'special' place. But on OS X, the desktop is just a folder on your hard drive like any other folder--except that it's contents are displayed in an invisible window on your sceen. If you move a folder to the desktop, you are really just moving it from one location to another.

Chris

OptimusG4 · Feb 9, 2003, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by chabig:
I always like that feature of earlier Mac OS versions. Unfortunately it's gone in OS X. At least for now.

I suppose that's because the OS 9 (and earlier) desktop was sort of a 'special' place. But on OS X, the desktop is just a folder on your hard drive like any other folder--except that it's contents are displayed in an invisible window on your sceen. If you move a folder to the desktop, you are really just moving it from one location to another.

Chris

I thought the desktop was a folder as well in the Classic OS, which Apple hacked to work like it did...dunno, could be wrong. I just remember with System 7.1, you could have things on the desktop but there was also a 'desktop folder' on the root level of the hard drive. Odd.

Chuckit · Feb 9, 2003, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by OptimusG4:
I thought the desktop was a folder as well in the Classic OS, which Apple hacked to work like it did...dunno, could be wrong. I just remember with System 7.1, you could have things on the desktop but there was also a 'desktop folder' on the root level of the hard drive. Odd.

In the old Mac OS, the desktop was indeed a "special place." Every disk had an invisible folder called "Desktop folder." The desktop was an agglomeration of the contents of this folder on every mounted disk, as well as being where all of your disks appeared. The desktop wasn't any one folder.

Coxy · Feb 9, 2003, 09:13 PM

Anyway, the bastards took out Put Away.

They could've at least made Command+Y unmount a disc... it makes no sense to "eject" a hard drive, after all.

Diggory Laycock · Feb 10, 2003, 06:35 AM

Put away was .... put away.

nickm · Feb 10, 2003, 07:07 AM

Anyway, the bastards took out Put Away.

OS X has been out for just about two years now, and I still see this attitude. Nothing was removed from OS X. Any feature from OS 9 that wasn't in NeXT Step had to be added to OS X. "Put Away" wasn't "taken out" in some fit of maliciousness, it just was never put in.

It's a shame, though, and it is one of the things from OS 9 that I still miss.

eddiecatflap · Feb 10, 2003, 08:04 AM

..yeah , put away , tabbed folders , labels and application menu , oh and the apple menu , and the scrapbook..i miss you honey!

..why can't they just start over again with 9 as the blueprint ?

..if it ain't broke etc..

ShotgunEd · Feb 10, 2003, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by eddiecatflap:
..yeah , put away , tabbed folders , labels and application menu , oh and the apple menu , and the scrapbook..i miss you honey!

..why can't they just start over again with 9 as the blueprint ?

..if it ain't broke etc..

how about the crashes, the memory hogging, the co-operative multi-tasking, the slow wake up from sleep...

Terri · Feb 10, 2003, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by ShotgunEd:
how about the crashes, the memory hogging, the co-operative multi-tasking, the slow wake up from sleep...

What does a GUI have to do with this?

Mac 9 had a very refined GUI that worked very well for many people including me.

I've bought and installed things that gives me back most of these features, but there are still things missing.

I do a lot of production work in the Finder and besides that fact that it chocks on moving a few hundred files at a time I really miss they way System 9 would grey out a folder to let you know that it was open somewhere. It also drives me crazy that there is no feedback when you click and hold down on a folder in the title bar so that you can move it someplace or make an alias of it.

Personally I would much prefer that Apple would work on refining the Finder then putting out all the iApps.

OptimusG4 · Feb 10, 2003, 09:54 AM

http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback

Anomalous · Feb 10, 2003, 02:57 PM

I do miss Put Away as well...

pyrocat · Feb 10, 2003, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Anomalous:
I do miss Put Away as well...

So do I.

Here's one thing you can do. If you place something on your desktop and change your mind right away, you can UNDO it--Cmd+Z -- and it will be returned to its original location.

There's sure a lot of room for freeware/shareware hacks in X. I look at preferences, and half of my favorite settings aren't there!

pYrOcat

tooki · Feb 10, 2003, 03:18 PM

The problem with Put Away is that most people didn't understand the distinction between it and Eject. Most people never even realized that Put Away could do anything other than eject disks (without leaving the ghosted icon like the Classic Eject function).

What we have now -- Eject that works as expected, and Undo to undo things you did -- seems to make a lot more sense to me.

tooki

P.S. That said, I wish they'd chosen command-Y for eject, since I, and thousands of other people, have that key command hard-wired into our hands now, and now it doesn't work! Or just let both command-Y and command-E eject.

bradoesch · Feb 10, 2003, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by Diggory Laycock:
Put away was .... put away.

Haha LOL...brilliant!

Coxy · Feb 10, 2003, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by nickm:
OS X has been out for just about two years now, and I still see this attitude. Nothing was removed from OS X. Any feature from OS 9 that wasn't in NeXT Step had to be added to OS X. "Put Away" wasn't "taken out" in some fit of maliciousness, it just was never put in.

So, you're another guy who thinks that Mac OS X == NeXTSTEP + Aqua, hey?

Besides, with that kind of attitude, Mac OS X is simply an upgrade to PPC hardware for NeXT users, with a few features added in as an afterthought to appears the Mac users.

lookmark · Feb 10, 2003, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by tooki:
The problem with Put Away is that most people didn't understand the distinction between it and Eject. Most people never even realized that Put Away could do anything other than eject disks (without leaving the ghosted icon like the Classic Eject function).

I agree -- case in point. I love the idea of the the "Put Away" behavior, but I didn't even know about "Put Away" to return files back to their original location until it went missing and people started talking about it. And I've been using a Mac for a while.

It's a great UI idea, though, and I hope it returns. The fact that command-Y is still open leaves some hope.

nickm · Feb 10, 2003, 10:41 PM

So, you're another guy who thinks that Mac OS X == NeXTSTEP + Aqua, hey?

No, it's got a lot of Mac technology it it as well, but it is not an upgrade to the classic Mac OS. Everything in OS X is there because it was explicitly put there, not because it was left there. There is a difference.

Cipher13 · Feb 11, 2003, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by tooki:
The problem with Put Away is that most people didn't understand the distinction between it and Eject. Most people never even realized that Put Away could do anything other than eject disks (without leaving the ghosted icon like the Classic Eject function).

What we have now -- Eject that works as expected, and Undo to undo things you did -- seems to make a lot more sense to me.

tooki

P.S. That said, I wish they'd chosen command-Y for eject, since I, and thousands of other people, have that key command hard-wired into our hands now, and now it doesn't work! Or just let both command-Y and command-E eject.

In the modern Mac OS, "Eject" didn't "leave behind" items by default - you needed to use option as a modifier and "eject and leave behind".

---

Yeah, no "Put Away" sucks. Command-Y is my natural reaction to eject something, and I *still* try to use it to put items away. Heh.

ApeInTheShell · Feb 11, 2003, 03:12 AM

Here's some reasons why we don't need old features:

Mac OS 9: Navigate to the pull down menu, if you let go you just lost your place.
Mac OS X: Naviagte to the pull down menu, you can keep it there for as long as you want.

Mac OS 9: Usually had to go to control panels to find out the key commands.
Mac OS X: There everywhere.

These are just things i observed. Results may vary.

I would like to see some more features like NeXt's shelf.

Cipher13 · Feb 11, 2003, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by ApeInTheShell:
Here's some reasons why we don't need old features:

Mac OS 9: Navigate to the pull down menu, if you let go you just lost your place.
Mac OS X: Naviagte to the pull down menu, you can keep it there for as long as you want.

Mac OS 9: Usually had to go to control panels to find out the key commands.
Mac OS X: There everywhere.

These are just things i observed. Results may vary.

I would like to see some more features like NeXt's shelf.

Umm... huh?

bradoesch · Feb 11, 2003, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by ApeInTheShell:
Mac OS 9: Navigate to the pull down menu, if you let go you just lost your place.
Mac OS X: Naviagte to the pull down menu, you can keep it there for as long as you want.

Do you mean the way menus worked in System 7? In OS 9 you could click a menu and it would stay open. Or do you mean how menus would close after they'd be open for 15 seconds and you didn't move the mouse?

GORDYmac · Feb 11, 2003, 10:33 AM

I think that the Finder's 'Undo' menu item is more functional than 'Put Away' was.

clebin · Feb 12, 2003, 12:18 PM

Is it just me who finds themselves doing Command-Backspace to Eject/Unmount disks all the time? I can see why it's a different key-stroke, but I'd prefer it to be the same myself....

I hated the greyed out disks in System 7. It was one reason I thought Macs were rubbish (well, compared to the Amiga who could blame me?

) until I realised you should drag them to the wastebasket. It was about that time I figured out that Command & Option are the most powerful keys on the keyboard...

Chris

nickm · Feb 12, 2003, 08:03 PM

I think that the Finder's 'Undo' menu item is more functional than 'Put Away' was.

That's because you don't get it. In Mac OS, you can drag files out of half a dozen folders and place them on the desktop. You can work on them for a few days while you complete your project, then you can select them all, and type command-Y and they all go back to where they came from! Undo is nothing at all like this.

voodoo · Feb 12, 2003, 08:29 PM

Excuse me, but what did the "put away" command in OS 9 and older do? I don't remember knowing about it...

In this whole discussion the only thing that hasn't been mentioned is *what* "put away" does.

yea

Hi I'm Ben · Feb 12, 2003, 08:47 PM

no column view w/ preview in 9
no built in spell checker
my iSub didn't work in 9
9 didn't work good with my PC without help from dave and even then wasn't great.
9 Didn't like being on for more then a day.
9 wasn't pretty.
Extensions are junk. I'd have to turn off all my iTunes extensions to use my CD burner in toast.
I bought a mac waiting for OS X, and i almost returned it when 10.0 came out.. but luckily i didn't cause it's gotten better useable and now.. i love X.

9 won't be on my next harddrive. I wish it would just keel over and die.... you people remind me of parents crying over their lost child. Let go... of course in your case you have the option, go back.

Terri · Feb 12, 2003, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by voodoo:
Excuse me, but what did the "put away" command in OS 9 and older do? I don't remember knowing about it...

In this whole discussion the only thing that hasn't been mentioned is *what* "put away" does.

yea

Let's say you had a folder for a client that you normally keep inside of your jobs folder that is inside of your Documents folder and you wanted to work with it so you moved it to your desktop and then when you were done working with it you would highlight it and hit Command Y and the finder would put it away back where it was created.

Command Y was also how you ejected disks.

voodoo · Feb 12, 2003, 09:20 PM

I see. I used System 7 to System 9 and I had no idea. Sounds like a really neat thing if you knew about it. That is what I love about the Mac. Those little things. Apple must put some more of those little things in OS X. Like labels. Helloooo Steeeevee!!

Terri · Feb 12, 2003, 09:47 PM

Why can't we have an Undo and a Put Away?

Make 9 had lots of great things. Mac OS X brings lots of great new things, but why should we have to give up the things that were great from 9?

Actually I'm guessing that we will see all the great things return. They will either come from Apple or come from 3rd parties.

People forget how much of what we loved about 9 was around in System 6.

How many remember Now Utilities or PopUp folder?