[nycdunz]

Okay seems like I'm having problems with safari for awhile now, ever since v51, when loading pages at times, it will load like 10%, and then pause for awhile and then continue and pause, its very inconsistent, the blue progress bar is always pausing in some point in between, sigh... so I would like to completely get rid of ALL files that has to do with Safari on jaguar, can someone please tell me where all those safari related files are stored? I want to start fresh again...

thanks...

[Pepi Picklefoot]

Originally posted by nycdunz:
Okay seems like I'm having problems with safari for awhile now, ever since v51, when loading pages at times, it will load like 10%, and then pause for awhile and then continue and pause, its very inconsistent, the blue progress bar is always pausing in some point in between, sigh... so I would like to completely get rid of ALL files that has to do with Safari on jaguar, can someone please tell me where all those safari related files are stored? I want to start fresh again...

thanks...

Drag Safari icon to trash.
Drag 'Safari' folder in your home 'Library' folder to trash.
Drag 'com.apple.Safari.plist' from your home 'Library/Preferences' to trash.
Empty trash.

[nycdunz]

how about the cache files? where are those?

[malvolio]

~/Library/Caches/Safari
~/Library/Caches/com.apple.WebKit

[Pepi Picklefoot]

Originally posted by nycdunz:
how about the cache files? where are those?

Ooops...good call.

~/Library/Cache/Safari

[ph0ust]

Originally posted by Pepi Picklefoot:
Drag Safari icon to trash.
Drag 'Safari' folder in your home 'Library' folder to trash.
Drag 'com.apple.Safari.plist' from your home 'Library/Preferences' to trash.
Empty trash.

hi there. not being very knowledgable about os x, is this really what you have to do to uninstall a program- you have to find *all* locations which an app stores files and such and drag it into the trash? isn't there a single easy step option, or is this what you have to do to make sure everything is deleted?

i noticed the post for deleting the cache files required a few more steps as well...

[Terri]

Originally posted by ph0ust:
hi there. not being very knowledgable about os x, is this really what you have to do to uninstall a program- you have to find *all* locations which an app stores files and such and drag it into the trash? isn't there a single easy step option, or is this what you have to do to make sure everything is deleted?

i noticed the post for deleting the cache files required a few more steps as well...

I usually just do a search for anything with the program's name in it and then drag those files to the trash from the find window.

[Mithras]

Most of the time, just tossing the application itself does the trick.

Sure, there might be a preference file or two left behind, but that's what, a 2K file, on a 30 to 60gig disk? Besides, if you ever decide to reinstall the app, you might appreciate having the old settings around.

For Safari, it's worth tossing the cache too, I guess. But really, I much prefer the "drag to trash" method than the much more impenetrable, "Open Control Panel, Click Remove, Select Application, Confirm Remove, Confirm that Files That Might Be Used By Other Applications Are OK to Remove, etc."

[ntsc]

hi there. not being very knowledgable about os x, is this really what you have to do to uninstall a program- you have to find *all* locations which an app stores files and such and drag it into the trash? isn't there a single easy step option, or is this what you have to do to make sure everything is deleted?

You should normally be able to get away with just trashing the application but since Safari is beta it works better to trash all the preferences associated with it. The caches again should be deleted or ignored after a while ( i dunno which) but again with Safari's beta status its better to get rid of everything, especially if there are problems.

On a side not, i don't know why Apple didn't recommend that devs put the pref file in the package along with all these file which go in the ~/Library folder and the caches. Seems to me that was the whole point of the package exercise.

[Mithras]

Originally posted by ntsc:
On a side not, i don't know why Apple didn't recommend that devs put the pref file in the package along with all these file which go in the ~/Library folder and the caches. :

You only have one Safari application, but many different useres. Each user should have their own cache, and own preferences.

Moreover, some users are non-admins, and don't have privileges to change things in /Applications. They can only change their own home folder. That's why there's pieces in several different places.

[ntsc]

Sorry that must have sounded really silly (possibly cos it was!) i hadn't thought of that

thinking of my own situation as the only user and forgetting the multi-user nature of OS X

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by ntsc:
On a side not(sic), i don't know why Apple didn't recommend that devs put the pref file in the package along with all these file which go in the ~/Library folder and the caches. Seems to me that was the whole point of the package exercise.

Because there's no reason to delete preference files when you delete an application. Should you change your mind someday and reinstall that application, you won't have to set all your preferences over again.

Also, remember that the safest way to upgrade a program to a new version is to put the old version in the Trash, put the new version in its place, try the new version for a while and make sure you like it before emptying the Trash. That way, if you decide you don't like the new version, you can always put the old version back, as long as you haven't emptied it yet. If preferences were stored inside the app bundle, this method would cause you to lose all your prefs when you performed this operation.

Seriously, anyone who thinks it's necessary to delete all a program's pref files when they remove the app is being a little overzealous.

[edit: and, of course, there's the multi-user issue. Guess I can miss the obvious sometimes...]

[dfiler]

Originally posted by ntsc:
On a side not, i don't know why Apple didn't recommend that devs put the pref file in the package along with all these file which go in the ~/Library folder and the caches. Seems to me that was the whole point of the package exercise.

While it is possible to put ALL files related to safari into the application package, this would actually make user and admin's lives much more difficult. It is quite deliberate that user and system prefs and caches are stored outside of the bundle. This allows applications to be easily erased, downgraded, upgraded, and replaced without loosing customized settings and cache. It also allows the prefs to be deleted for just one user or the entire program.

If everything were in the bundle then applications couldn't be upgraded by simply replacing the old file (package) with the new one. That is, it couldn't be done without delving into the package, which is intended to have no user servicable data or settings.

Developers are far more likely to use standardized locations for preferences, libraries and cache, when these things are all stored in one (three) location(s) rather than scatered through the application packages.

Here's my vision of the optimal method:
Drag an application to your harddrive or download a single file from the net. Upon first run, it generates preference files in the appropriate locations. Upon future launch, it validates the prefereces and library data, if corrupt, it reinstalls over the corrupt files.

Its less likely that a user will need to delete these files than they are to upgrade without losing the settings in these files. The lesser of two trouble-shooting scenarios?

[Ryøkan]

Maybe you already know this, but here's my answer to delays in opening new windows.

Clicking on a web-link while holding down "Command+Shift" opens the window in the background -- i.e., behind the one you're currently reading.

I find this really convenient -- just let a bunch of windows open in the background while you finish reading whatever you're reading. When you're ready to move on, they're there waiting for you.

[david weaver]

command-F
search-safari
Then drag relevant files to the trash.