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timmerk · Feb 18, 2003, 03:54 PM

I lost my copies - want to sell me your original disks?

Thanks

CollinG3G4 · Feb 18, 2003, 06:56 PM

Why would you want them?

I doubt you could boot DP3 or 4 on newer hardware.

int69h · Feb 18, 2003, 09:24 PM

Couldn't legally sell or give them to you even if I wanted to.

l008com · Feb 18, 2003, 09:27 PM

I think I have DP4 around somewhere, but I have no original disks.

Agasthya · Feb 18, 2003, 09:34 PM

Any model prior to the Gigabit G4s and Summer 2000 iMacs will allow DP4 - but it sucked.

l008com · Feb 18, 2003, 09:37 PM

I always wanted to check out DP3, isn't that the version that still had the "classic" look, that would be interesting to play with, for a few minutes anyway.

Agasthya · Feb 18, 2003, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by l008com:
I always wanted to check out DP3, isn't that the version that still had the "classic" look, that would be interesting to play with, for a few minutes anyway.

I *think* that DP4 can go back to the platium look too, just delete or move the Extras.rsrc file.

timmerk · Feb 19, 2003, 07:35 AM

DP2 was the last OS by default that had the platinum look. DP3 had aqua first.

I'll take a backup copy of these cds just for safekeeping for whoever gives it to me ;-) You know, in case your house blows up with your cds, then I will send you the copies back as your backup and I will never install it...

Anyways, DP3 and DP4 work on a B&W G3, and I think at least DP4 work on the Cube, if I recall correctly.

Thanks

Webscreamer · Feb 19, 2003, 04:24 PM

I would love to have a copy too! I had them before, so dumb of my to get rid of them now that I look back!

goMac · Feb 19, 2003, 05:52 PM

I believe Public Beta was the last one that could revert to platinum, might be wrong though.

milhous · Feb 19, 2003, 09:29 PM

And then we do some code splicing by integrating the Platinum theme code in the DP build and integrating that into 10.2.

Volunteers?

Angus_D · Feb 20, 2003, 04:44 AM

Originally posted by goMac:
I believe Public Beta was the last one that could revert to platinum, might be wrong though.

And even then it was only for Cocoa apps.

timmerk · Feb 20, 2003, 07:13 AM

Wait, the public beta and DP4 wasn't platinum, was't it that you could revert to the NeXT interface?

Angus_D · Feb 20, 2003, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by timmerk:
Wait, the public beta and DP4 wasn't platinum, was't it that you could revert to the NeXT interface?

Either, IIRC.

RevEvs · Feb 20, 2003, 07:50 AM

I only rmember using the NeXT theme in DP4 - I think platinum was in DP3 only...

clebin · Feb 20, 2003, 08:39 AM

Maybe a copy of MacOS X Server 1.2 would be nicer thing to have...?

Chris

Arkham_c · Feb 20, 2003, 11:36 AM

Why would you want them? I had all the dev previews, and the public beta, but I recently threw them away, realizing I would never have any use for them. The real truth is that anything before 10.0.4 sucked.

Fallout · Feb 20, 2003, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by clebin:
Maybe a copy of MacOS X Server 1.2 would be nicer thing to have...?

Chris

I've been looking for this forever!!

Landos Mustache · Feb 20, 2003, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by CollinG3G4:
I doubt you could boot DP3 or 4 on newer hardware.

Doubt? How about no way in hell.

timmerk · Feb 20, 2003, 06:47 PM

I just want it to remember how it was, and to see how much progress Apple has made. Believe it or not, but I LOVED DP4, it was sweet!

mitchell_pgh · Feb 20, 2003, 06:48 PM

I think the PB was funny... Just looking at that apple icon in the middle of the screen... ha ha ha...

exca1ibur · Feb 20, 2003, 06:52 PM

I have OSX Server 1.2 still. Tried to boot it on my old 8500 but had issue with my SCSI wide card. Got it to work on my old B/W G3 once a while ago. Haven't bothered since then but came across the CD yesterday. I figured it might be good to hang on to as a relic

LOL

barbarian · Feb 20, 2003, 07:42 PM

I just saw a G3 with DP3 and the Platinum appearance. Looks really nice. I looked around a bit. Seems like the platinum appearance was a next holdover and not a real OS X extras file...

Webscreamer · Feb 20, 2003, 09:06 PM

It would be neat to look back and see the progress, but ALSO we will be surprised how much has stayed the same. All the stuff people complained about before we are used to now. Things changed, yes, but a lot has stayed the same!

vasu · Feb 21, 2003, 12:34 AM

DP4 could actually do Aqua, Platnium, NeXT and Windows interfaces.

-vasu

sbjordal · Feb 21, 2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Fallout:
I've been looking for this forever!!

make me an offer. I have all the orignal cds, boxed version with manuals and everything...just sitting in my bookshelf collecting dust...

sbjordal · Feb 21, 2003, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by exca1ibur:
I have OSX Server 1.2 still. Tried to boot it on my old 8500 but had issue with my SCSI wide card. Got it to work on my old B/W G3 once a while ago. Haven't bothered since then but came across the CD yesterday. I figured it might be good to hang on to as a relic LOL

You'll prob. fall over laughing, but we still use OSX server 1.21 as a primary mac manager server in our district..

It's slow as anything, a bitch to configure, but rock solid. Seriously, the thing is just chugging along.

[APi]TheMan · Feb 21, 2003, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by vasu:
DP4 could actually do Aqua, Platnium, NeXT and Windows interfaces.

Whoa sweet... I think I remember using DP3 several years ago... but that was before I was into the whole OSX thing... so I don't recall really doing much with it...

BurpetheadX · Feb 21, 2003, 07:51 PM

Yea I still have DP3 and 4. Good ol' hotline days of waiting in a server till someone uploaded it, then administrator saying GO and trying to be the first one in line to download it.
I always thought these alphas were sweet, just never used them because they were so unstable, couldnt get 5 minutes out of it. But yea, good times.

JLL · Feb 22, 2003, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by BurpetheadX:
Yea I still have DP3 and 4. Good ol' hotline days of waiting in a server till someone uploaded it, then administrator saying GO and trying to be the first one in line to download it.
I always thought these alphas were sweet, just never used them because they were so unstable, couldnt get 5 minutes out of it. But yea, good times.

I didn't have many stability problems with the DPs.

I actually used DP4 as the main system on one machine using OmniWeb and Internet Explorer 5.5

timmerk · Feb 23, 2003, 05:47 PM

Yah, I had used DP4 as my main system for the longest time. I remember telling a friend it was Unix, and he kept saying "No way, no it's not." Now with OS X widestream, everyone knows it's unix!

Fallout · Feb 24, 2003, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by sbjordal:
make me an offer. I have all the orignal cds, boxed version with manuals and everything...just sitting in my bookshelf collecting dust...

I'll give you $6. I'll also pay $6 for a DP4 cd.

TimmyDee51 · Feb 24, 2003, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by vasu:
DP4 could actually do Aqua, Platnium, NeXT and Windows interfaces.

-vasu

Does anyone have any screens of those? Specifically NeXT and Windows.

Yoda's Erotic Piggyback · Feb 24, 2003, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by Fallout:
I'll give you $6. I'll also pay $6 for a DP4 cd.

Pfffff

Millennium · Feb 24, 2003, 08:42 AM

OK, about the Platinum interface...

Yes, you could revert to Platinum in PB. It looked slightly different from the Platinum seen in DP4, but it could be done. To do so, you had to delete the Extras.rsrc file and reboot. There was also a NeXTStep-ish interface, but it only worked on Cocoa apps.

No, you cannot port this to Jaguar. The reason is that these two interfaces are specified using the ancient NSAppearance API's. This system is no longer thought to be in use on any version of OSX that was released after the Public Beta.

At the time, Aqua was also implemented using NSAppearance. It used the Extras.rsrc file, yes, but that's just the way Apple coded it (NSAppearance themes had to be coded; it wasn't just a matter of swapping resources). However, it's believed that NSAppearance was taken out of the system before Cheetah was ever released, and Aqua was integrated directly into the Quartz window server.

Of course, if NSAppearance were to still exist, the implications would be enormous. Window widget position was handled by an individual NSAppearance file, not by the wndow server itself, and so it would be possible to rearrange window widgets. In fact, it might be possible to reimplement Kaleidoscope as an NSAppearance theme, if someone could figure out how to write these things. However, again, NSAppearance appears to have been taken completely out of OSX, so this is little more than a pipedream.