[Tiffany Mac]

I was told that the Nokia 6310i won't work with iSync, but will work with bluetooth.

Does this mean that you can send your phone #'s from the addressbook into your phone, but you won't be able to 'sync' the two ensuring that you have the latest information on each?

If you can 'only' bluetooth the information to the phone, what happens when you change information in your addressbook and then try to send it to the phone? does it overwrite the other or make a double? If iSync controls this process, how would it work properly?

Anyone have any experience with this phone?


-Tiffany

[Diggory Laycock]

Originally posted by Tiffany Mac:
I was told that the Nokia 6310i won't work with iSync, but will work with bluetooth.

Does this mean that you can send your phone #'s from the addressbook into your phone, but you won't be able to 'sync' the two ensuring that you have the latest information on each?

that is correct

If you can 'only' bluetooth the information to the phone, what happens when you change information in your addressbook and then try to send it to the phone? does it overwrite the other? If iSync controls this process, what happens?

Anyone have any experience here?

-Tiffany

You can transfer vCards out of addressbook and onto your phone by bluetooth - but it will be as if you have just received a buisness card by SMS or Infra-Red - the phone beeps and you have to manually choose "accept" or "reject" on the phone.

If you transfer someone who is already in the phone - you probably get a duplication on the phone.

You may want to check out OnSync
(http://www.versiontracker.com/morein...093&db=mac)

[Tiffany Mac]

Additional thoughts:
Why isn't this phone listed on the Apple Website?

Will iSync ever work with this phone? Will it need an Apple update to support it, or is it Nokia's fault? Is it a software or harware issue?

-Tiffany

[Diggory Laycock]

Originally posted by Tiffany Mac:
Additional thoughts:
Why isn't this phone listed on the Apple Website?

Will iSync ever work with this phone? Will it need an Apple update to support it, or is it Nokia's fault? Is it a software or harware issue?

-Tiffany

This model will never work with iSync.

It does not support a protocol called SyncML
(which ironically Nokia invented.)

None of nokia's phones (current or announced on their site) support SyncML

(that's not strictly true- Some do - but only support sync-ing "Over The Air" - which means over your mobile network - not local sync-ing (via bluetooth / InfraRed / nokia serial cable etc..)

[Landos Mustache]

Nokia is being stupid and not following the bluetooth guidlines. It will not work.

Sell it and get a t68i.

[Tiffany Mac]

i wasn't impressed with the Sony Ericson phone (the way it looked with that scroll bar)

Do you think it's worth getting even though you can't sync it? It's still good to know i can send my #'s using bluetooth

Why doesn't apple support protocals other than syncML?

I dont' know about other mac users, but i'm dying to use the iSync features. I wish we had more of a selection in phones right now.

How many of you have an Ericsson?
How many of you don't care to use this feature?

[mbryda]

Originally posted by Tiffany Mac:
i wasn't impressed with the Sony Ericson phone (the way it looked with that scroll bar)

Not to be an ass, but shouldn't you be purchasing a phone based on functionality rather than looks?

Do you think it's worth getting even though you can't sync it? It's still good to know i can send my #'s using bluetooth

Probably not - I've had many cell phones and Nokias have not been the best by a long shot. Decent looks, but poor RF characteristics (esp. the new antenna-less ones). Not to mention they seem to be lacking in the innovation department.

Why doesn't apple support protocals other than syncML?

SyncML is poised to be the industry standard sync'ing protocol. Across multiple devices (PDA's, phones, etc.) Better to support an open standard vs. proprietary stuff.

I dont' know about other mac users, but i'm dying to use the iSync features. I wish we had more of a selection in phones right now.

I would like to, but I have a Motorola T720 on Verizon, so it may not ever work. No biggie for me - I have an excelent phone (which is most important to me).

How many of you have an Ericsson?

I had an old one (R280LX) on AT&T and it was a very good phone, better than any Nokia I owned (5190, 6190, 6160, 5160, 82600). Much better RF/Phone performance than any.

[Tiffany Mac]

Looks do play an important part in the decision process. Just like a car. Nobody wants an ugly one.

I don't know the difference between the phones. I don't know if the Ericsson is considered to be a good one.

I think that Apple could support synML and the old protocals Since the new phone's aren't supported by 99.9 % of the phone's, Apple should use backward compatiblity for now.

Better to support them all...then wait for the one

[mbryda]

Originally posted by Tiffany Mac:
Looks do play an important part in the decision process. Just like a car. Nobody wants an ugly one.

I guess I'd rather have an ugly brick that worked everywhere vs. a "cute" phone that didn't work well.

I don't know the difference between the phones. I don't know if the Ericsson is considered to be a good one.

The features are great, however, I've heard mixed things about the performance (recpetion) of the US version. Since you're asking about the 6310, I'll assume you're in Europe... You may want to ask in a more local forum about the phone, as it has different RF sections than the US model.

You may want to try www.howardforums.com - they tend to be very knowledgable about international phones. You could also try the Usenet newsgroups.

I think that Apple could support synML and the old protocals Since the new phone's aren't supported by 99.9 % of the phone's, Apple should use backward compatiblity for now.

The only problem is getitng access to all the various protocols. For example, Motorola has many different phones, and may support different ways on each phone. Then you have Nokia, LG, Samsung, Ericsson, etc, etc. It could be a nightmare trying to code all the different sync stuff for each model/manfacturer.

Another issue is many of those companies consider the syncing stuff to be trade secret and don't want to just give the code/protocols away. This may be the driving thing for SyncML - it's an open standard and easily used on both the PC and Mac side.

[Diggory Laycock]

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
Nokia is being stupid and not following the bluetooth guidlines. It will not work.

Nokia may be being stupid by not including local SyncML - but there are no "Bluetooth guidelines" as you seem to think.

[aaanorton]

The 6310i is available here in the States. I almost bought one recently for my AT&T acct.
I did try a SE T68i out after I drown my Nokia 8390. It would simply miss calls in places that I know for a fact the 8390 would have gotten them. This happened a lot. I kept getting voice mail SMS notices with no phone ring. The battery was abismal. The Nokia would usually have a full charge at the end of the day still, but the T68i was more of a one charge, one day type of arrangement (I charged the battery for 12-16 hours the first time). I also found the UI maddening and build quality seemed lacking.
I returned it and got another 8390. No Bluetooth, but it works very well and lasts a LONG time/charge.

[Tiffany Mac]

"It could be a nightmare trying to code all the different sync stuff for each model/manfacturer."

I disagree. Not that i know much about coding, but i would have to think it can't be that hard. After all, Apple has created some crazy applications. Even OS X.

My point is that it's possible. And since right now 'only' the Ericsson phone is supported, we are really limited in options. I would think that apple would put that extra effort in to make it compatible with many many phones.

Also, what phone's are 'in the works' right now that support SyncML? From what you are saying, Nokia has none.

[mbryda]

Originally posted by aaanorton:
The 6310i is available here in the States. I almost bought one recently for my AT&T acct.

Whoops. It used to be that the xx10's were European phones. Guess they changed that.

ring. The battery was abismal. The Nokia would usually have a full charge at the end of the day still, but the T68i was more of a one charge, one day type of arrangement (I charged the battery for 12-16 hours the first time). I also found

That's the problem with the Color screen phones - battery life on all them sucks. (It's Nokia's only strong point, IMHO) I get about 1.5-2 days on my T720, which is about average for color screen phones. It's fine with me - I'd much rather have the color....

[mbryda]

Originally posted by Tiffany Mac:
I disagree. Not that i know much about coding, but i would have to think it can't be that hard. After all, Apple has created some crazy applications. Even OS X.

Well, take Motorola, they have lots of phones, V.60(i), T720 (GSM and CDMA), various flavors of Startac, V.120, T 270c, etc, etc. Now, most of them use diferent protocols to communicate with the phonebook. And, even within the same families, the various technologies use different protocols to access the 'book. Now multiply that by the # of phones out there and you see what a monumental task it is. Not to mention getting protocol documentation from the manufacturers.

Also, what phone's are 'in the works' right now that support SyncML? From what you are saying, Nokia has none.

So? Nokia's phones are second rate at best. The only reason they got to be #1 is because they are cheap and are the "free phone". Most Americans won't pay for a cell phone. They are facing some serious competition from the Asian (LG & Samsung) companies. The USA's #1 (Verizon) and #4 (Sprint) carriers sell NO Nokias as of today...

The reception is mediocre at best, and the features have stagnated. (It took them how long to get voice dial and color screens?) I used to be a fan of Nokia but after several bum phones, I switched away from them and couldn't be happier.

For me, it's no loss that Nokia isn't making a SyncML phone - there are many better options out there.

[Tiffany Mac]

"there are many better options out there."

What are the better options? I thought that Sony Ericsson was the ONLY option.

I want to get a great phone with SyncML. Are you saying that Verizon or Sprint has a SyncML phone other than the Ericsson's?

[Tiffany Mac]

I get the feeling that not many mac users utilize the iSync and Phone capabilities.

[sushiism]

ive just found every phone from every company utter grabage apart from my nokia 7110, shame about the ugly green screen. God those lower level consumer nokias are horrible and sony erricssons are just madness

[ablaze]

I want a cell phone that just works. So I took a Nokia 6310i. It has very good battery. I need to recharge only once a week! Moreover it is very solid in every aspect of quality. (As has been the 6210 - the one I used before).

The T68i has a terrible UI. (Hey aren't you using a Mac beause of the UI) It seems like they had no concept behind this. Moreover it gives me the impression to be not manufactured well (subjective!) The only reason why I want an T86i is iSync capability, but then again: It's a phone! So the other arguments seem to be more to the point.

I really hope Apple eventually will support Nokia phones. Perhaps they could start supporting the gib companies first: Nokia and Motorola. Then add the smaller ones step as time goes by.

[mikerally]

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
Nokia is being stupid and not following the bluetooth guidlines. It will not work.

SyncML is not part of the Bluetooth specification, it's a seperate open standard of it's own.

SyncML can work over Infrared and via a Data Cable, not just over Bluetooth.

Nokia only makes four phones that support SyncML, the 9210, 9210i, 6800, and 7250.

http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,5184,2561,00.html

The Nokia 6310 and 6310i does not support SyncML at all.

BTW I own a 6310i, and use it with my Powerbook G4 with built in Bluetooth to connect to the Internet via GPRS, and it works great, I don't care much for address book syncing - if you need to manage your phonebook use a program called GSM Remote.

The Mac OS X address book program does allow me to send text messages to people from my Powerbook.

[Tiffany Mac]

I'm glad you included that link to the Nokia SyncML list. I was told earlier by Diggory Laycock "none of nokia's phones (current or announced on their site) support SyncML".

He was clearly wrong.

[Neo.cmg]

Originally posted by Tiffany Mac:
I'm glad you included that link to the Nokia SyncML list. I was told earlier by Diggory Laycock "none of nokia's phones (current or announced on their site) support SyncML".

He was clearly wrong.

He may have been wrong in indicating SyncML was not available on any Nokia phones (and never would be), but after looking at the 4 phones listed with the SyncML capability, none of those phones have bluetooth.

I am interested in the Nokia 3650 phone. They usually have it showcased on the nokiausa web site front page. I guess it's still not yet available. However, it is an appealing design for a phone and includes bluetooth; however, not the SyncML standard from what I can gather. One question, if you do have a bluetooth enabled phone; and though, you don't have SyncML with this phone, does the Address Book Caller ID function work still?

Neo.cmg

[Tiffany Mac]

I didn't realize that. Some have bluetooth, some have SyncML. It will be at least a year before we see a phone that has both. This supports earlier point, that Apple should be supporting other 'protocals'.

My hopes are riding a rollercoaster.

This sony ericsson, the only phone that has both. Maybe they are planning on releasing a new version of that phone. Does anyone know anything about this?

[ablaze]

According to this story on ThinkSecret we might see some more phones to be supported by iSync, soon!

Unfortunately not the 6310i!

[Tiffany Mac]

lots of those phones don't support bluetooth

[mbryda]

Originally posted by sushiism:
ive just found every phone from every company utter grabage apart from my nokia 7110, shame about the ugly green screen. God those lower level consumer nokias are horrible and sony erricssons are just madness

That's really surprising, as the 7xxx series have been a HUGE FLOP for nokia. Loads of QC issues with the NaviRoller, etc. Supposedly very good RF, but poor everything else.

[mbryda]

Originally posted by Neo.cmg:

I am interested in the Nokia 3650 phone. They usually have it showcased on the nokiausa web site front page. I guess it's still not yet available. However, it is an appealing design for a phone and includes bluetooth; however, not the SyncML standard from what I can gather. One question, if you do have a bluetooth enabled phone; and though, you don't have SyncML with this phone, does the Address Book Caller ID function work still?

Neo.cmg

That's one ugly phone. That keypad....Ouch!

However, I would imagine that caller ID and such would still work over Bluetooth - IIRC, it's a BT standard.

[mbryda]

Originally posted by ablaze:
According to this story on ThinkSecret we might see some more phones to be supported by iSync, soon!

Unfortunately not the 6310i!

Cool - maybe my T720 will be supported. Would definitely be great!

[mikerally]

He may have been wrong in indicating SyncML was not available on any Nokia phones (and never would be), but after looking at the 4 phones listed with the SyncML capability, none of those phones have bluetooth.

He was right, no Nokia phone apart from the Communicator supported SyncML until very recently.

The Nokia 6800 isn't out yet (not even in Europe) and is only Dual Band, you may have to wait a while for the American version.

The 7250 is not available yet either (don't confuse it with the 7210), but it is Triband (works in America and the rest of the world).

The Nokia 3650 is available now if you are willing to import it from Asia - but it doesn't support SyncML.

It's a real pity that the 7250 doesn't support Bluetooth, it's a very packed phone (has a very tiny built-in camera and is very slim), it also supports *POP PORT* - Nokia's way of saying that the phone now connects to your computer via a USB Data Cable instead of a Serial one.

Now I know iSync supports Syncing with a Palm over USB (abeit via Palm software), if Apple could find the time to write support for Syncing with the 7250 via a USB Data Cable (it's not incredibly hard) we may see some of the Nokia support we have been waiting for.

Nokia are very Notorious for never quite packing everything you want, that's why the T68i is a good alternative - as it supports MMS, Triband, Colour Screen, GPRS, and SyncML in tight slim package - I'm still waiting for a Nokia phone that has ALL those features - sure there's a Nokia phone that has one of every of those features, but not ALL of them.

[mikerally]

A really interesting read about Bluetooth and SyncML:

http://tplinet.free.fr/Bluetooth/Whi...ncMLoverBT.pdf

Oh yes, some of you might have seen the words OBEX (Object Exchange Protocal) when fiddling with Syncing with your T68i etc - this is essentially part of the SyncML standard - a lot of software that uses SyncML refers to it as OBEX, it is ok to consider them one and the same thing (OBEX is really a subset of the SyncML standard however).

Oh yeah and don't believe the bullsh*t shovelled by the Apple reps which was fed to me at Mac Expo UK - iSync doesn't support Nokias because of the way they implemented Bluetooth - the real answer is the phones do not support SyncML.

[mbryda]

Originally posted by mikerally:
Nokia are very Notorious for never quite packing everything you want, that's why the T68i is a good alternative - as it supports MMS, Triband, Colour Screen, GPRS, and SyncML in tight slim package - I'm still waiting for a Nokia phone that has ALL those features - sure there's a Nokia phone that has one of every of those features, but not ALL of them.

Maybe it's time to try something different? The T720i GSM has promise (All but Bluetooth). So does some of the newer Samsungs (the few for GSM). IIRC, Ericsson is coming out with some new BT phones as well...

[Diggory Laycock]

Originally posted by mikerally:


Oh yes, some of you might have seen the words OBEX (Object Exchange Protocal) when fiddling with Syncing with your T68i etc - this is essentially part of the SyncML standard - a lot of software that uses SyncML refers to it as OBEX, it is ok to consider them one and the same thing (OBEX is really a subset of the SyncML standard however).

Not quite true - OBEX exists separately from SyncML and Bluetooth , it was originally developed for InfraRed - however syncML can be used on top of bluetooth and OBEX.

iSync is the Application layer.
OBEX is the session layer.
Bluetooth's RFComm is the transport layer.

Oh - and by the way - if you re-read my earlier post you'll see that the "clearly wrong" statement has a qualifier about local synching. - which makes it correct.

[Neo.cmg]

Originally posted by Diggory Laycock:
Not quite true - OBEX exists separately from SyncML and Bluetooth , it was originally developed for InfraRed - however syncML can be used on top of bluetooth and OBEX.

iSync is the Application layer.
OBEX is the session layer.
Bluetooth's RFComm is the transport layer.

Oh - and by the way - if you re-read my earlier post you'll see that the "clearly wrong" statement has a qualifier about local synching. - which makes it correct.

No, nice try but your original statement insisted that no current or announced Nokia phones supported local synching (e.g. Bluetooth, Infrared, Serial, etc.). However, Nokia had announced 4 phones late last November: 9210, 9210i, 6800, and 7250 all of which were due by the first quarter of 2003 at that time, which do indeed support SyncML via Infrared or Serial connections. Being as you stated this 3 months after these phones either were already in production or coming soon, your proposition that no current or annoucned Nokia phones supported the SyncML standard is obviously incorrect as pointed out previously.

It seems to me that this entire thread is made up of those who are searching for more information on upcoming products from several companies and their capabilities and those that already own T68i phones and are too narrow-minded to understand that this particular phone has been out for quite some time already. If we were interested in it, then we would have already gone out and purchased one. From my experience, the phone is cheap and the color display is terrible. It's user interface is unusable on a regular basis, and the only reason that one would be interested in such a phone is for it's combination of Bluetooth and SyncML capabilities.

Neo.cmg

[Diggory Laycock]

Originally posted by Neo.cmg:
No, nice try but your original statement insisted that no current or announced Nokia phones supported local synching (e.g. Bluetooth, Infrared, Serial, etc.). However, Nokia had announced 4 phones late last November: 9210, 9210i, 6800, and 7250 all of which were due by the first quarter of 2003 at that time, which do indeed support SyncML via Infrared or Serial connections. Being as you stated this 3 months after these phones either were already in production or coming soon, your proposition that no current or annoucned Nokia phones supported the SyncML standard is obviously incorrect as pointed out previously.

Fair enough - The communicator can sync locally - I always forget they're still available.

However don't think that all nokias that "support syncML" will work locally. Most of the consumer ones look like they will only support Over The Air.

quote from Fourm Nokia:

"iSync does not use SyncML to sync with phones. It uses IrMC over Bluetooth/IR. SyncML enabled phones support SyncML over WAP only.

Bluetooth SIG has provided a document which basically describes how the existing Bluetooth Sync Profile (IrMC based) could be upgraded to use SyncML. It is an unofficial document. I do not think any of the Bluetooth stack developers have plans to support it unless the SIG makes it as part of BT profiles and requires the implementation for certification."

[Tiffany Mac]

Ok, here is what i've gathered thus far:

1. The only phone that supports iSync (bluetooth and SyncML) is the Ericcson phone.

2. The Ericcson phone is a piece of Doo

3. No other phone companies have a phone in the works that will supports Apple's iSync & Bluetooth.

Conclusion: While this may be an 'open' standard, nobody has adopted it yet. Maybe in 2004 we will have better luck.

[mikerally]

Not quite true - OBEX exists separately from SyncML and Bluetooth , it was originally developed for InfraRed - however syncML can be used on top of bluetooth and OBEX.

iSync is the Application layer.
OBEX is the session layer.
Bluetooth's RFComm is the transport layer.

"iSync does not use SyncML to sync with phones. It uses IrMC over Bluetooth/IR. SyncML enabled phones support SyncML over WAP only. "

Ahhhhhh! I see now, my bad! This clears up a lot of things.
This has more to do with OBEX, not SyncML, what is Nokia's support for IrMC/OBEX like?

Oh - and by the way - if you re-read my earlier post you'll see that the "clearly wrong" statement has a qualifier about local synching. - which makes it correct.

Whoah, whoah, whoah - coming out with something like that directly after quoting me implies that *I* said that - check again!

[bowwowman]

re: >>>Oh yes, some of you might have seen the words OBEX (Object Exchange Protocal) when fiddling with Syncing with your T68i etc - this is essentially part of the SyncML standard - a lot of software that uses SyncML refers to it as OBEX, it is ok to consider them one and the same thing (OBEX is really a subset of the SyncML standard however).<<<<

Well this is interesting, considering that there is a file in the 10.2.4 system folder ...... looky see here: System >Library >Core Services >OBEX Agent

Obviously, Apple has been working on support for the open standards

And yes I saw it somewhere on my T68i, now if I can just find it again

[Kai3333]

Hi,

my 6310i will pair for a second and then disconnect...GSM Remote X does not see it via bluetooth only via data cable...and how do connect your 6310i to GSM Remote X via bluetooth to ??? Thank's!