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Feb 21, 2003, 01:38 PM
 
..any ideas ?

..i want tabbed folders , control over dock double click , better open / save and window resize sorted..

..what's on your WISH LIST ??
     
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Feb 21, 2003, 01:52 PM
 
All I want is updated OpenGL and nVidia drivers.

Oh, and I'd like some iApps to be updated. Mainly iChat, iTunes and Sherlock (not an iApp, but..)
     
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Feb 21, 2003, 02:08 PM
 
I want them to remove the debug code!
     
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Feb 21, 2003, 03:24 PM
 
I want it to be Snappier

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Feb 21, 2003, 03:34 PM
 
Better Previews in the finder, show us the image size even if its a jpeg (what almost all of us get from our digital cameras).

Better use of comments. We can use them in iPhoto, why not let us use them directly in the finder?

Give us access to the comments in open and save dialogues. That way I can use comments as a full description instead of just relying on the file name.

Give us a better way to access windows. I never use minimize and always end up just hiding apps. What I'd like to see is another dock where we can see the windows of the current app or all available windows. They would look just like minimized windows.
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Feb 21, 2003, 04:18 PM
 
Virtual desktops.

Better finder.

Better AppleScript support.

Better PS drivers.

X11 completely integrated into OSX.

Better sound system (surround sound anyone?)

New DVD player.
     
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Feb 21, 2003, 04:51 PM
 
i just want ftp in the finder to work properly. read and WRITE.
     
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Feb 21, 2003, 05:09 PM
 
Originally posted by hadocon:
I want it to be Snappier
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Feb 21, 2003, 05:20 PM
 
I want Safari integrated into the Finder and then M$ to sue apple.
     
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Feb 21, 2003, 05:25 PM
 
Originally posted by Hi I'm Ben:
shut up
Yikes! Touchy!
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Feb 21, 2003, 05:31 PM
 
1. New Finder/bug-fixed Finder: Copying large amounts of data doesn't work well at all (everything beyond 1 or 2 gigs).
2. More balanced performance especially when the GUI is concerned (some things in 10.2 need a bit till it reacts, I know, kinda hard to explain).
3. A new file system. HFS+ is kinda slow, especially compared to FFS (Fast File System, used by FreeBSD).
4. Oh, yeah, 64 bit support
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Feb 21, 2003, 05:44 PM
 
Originally posted by Oneota:
Yikes! Touchy!
Just stupid.

I would also like some snappiness. Overall system responsiveness increase would be nice.

Maybe remove some of the debug code, too.


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Feb 21, 2003, 05:49 PM
 
Better finder
FTP write in Finder
Updated OpenGL
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Feb 21, 2003, 06:02 PM
 
I want an updates Aqua. The Pinstripes in the menubar looks stupid and so 90's.

Apple needs to make Aqua more white glossy like the iPod and glassy.

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Feb 21, 2003, 06:22 PM
 
In Open/Save windows, the ability to sort by different criteria.
     
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Feb 21, 2003, 06:29 PM
 
Virtual desktops, and fast user switching. A new open/save panel (I detest the current one). Webkit and X11 included as standard. Some of the enhancements to Rendezvous that Apple talks about on their Rendezvous dev page. A close item in the dock menu of minimized items (it was in 10.2 beta...).
     
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Feb 21, 2003, 06:30 PM
 
I do web work and when I download files that start with a . they disappear, like htaccess files. I know that I can have the Finder display all hidden files, but I want to be able to do it by folder.
     
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Feb 21, 2003, 06:39 PM
 
I also want some Snappiness. Whenever I go to the iMac lab downstairs and use 8.6 (that's right, eight point six) I can't believe how fast the OS used to be.

App launch time, browsing speed, system responsiveness. It all just feels quicker.
     
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Feb 21, 2003, 06:41 PM
 
Originally posted by Ozmodiar:
I also want some Snappiness. Whenever I go to the iMac lab downstairs and use 8.6 (that's right, eight point six) I can't believe how fast the OS used to be.
Do you also see how bad it is at multitasking, crash prone and ugly it is?

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Feb 21, 2003, 07:21 PM
 
All I want is a better finder, a better finder and umm...a better finder. Please for the love of Jeebus properly thread the finder so that copying files or mounting network drives doesn't beachball the whole damn thing! OS X is amazing in all respects except for the craptacular finder.

Some better organazational tools like comments from iPhoto and labels would be brilliant if combined with smart folders ala iTunes smart playlists. What would really pull this off is a new FS that properly uses metadata. With smart folders you'd barely ever have to worry about organazation or moving files around. Your files just go where they belong. But this wish is a distant second to performance.

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Feb 21, 2003, 07:24 PM
 
Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Do you also see how bad it is at multitasking, crash prone and ugly it is?
Exactly. The classic Mac OS is great until you try to do two different things. I found this out the hardware when I had to use a school computer to scan some slides. The machine is a sweet QS dual 800 with 1GB of RAM running 9.2. I put my slides in hit scan and then try to browse the web while I wait only to find that I can't do anything at all while the damn scanner is running. OS X may feel slower in some singular tasks, but it blows the old Mac OS away when it comes to actual usage.

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Feb 21, 2003, 07:45 PM
 
A lean Aqua would be nice, that is if such a thing exists.

Leave in the anti-aliased text and graphics, but give users a choice to turn of these genie animations and zooming window effects when opening your disks. Just a waste of CPU cycles and time that can be better spent elsewhere.

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Feb 21, 2003, 07:56 PM
 
Give us decent open/save dialogs. Is that so much to ask?
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Feb 21, 2003, 07:57 PM
 
People to stop predicting stuff and then getting pissed off because nothing they want makes it in the final version.
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Feb 21, 2003, 08:28 PM
 
I'm just looking forward to the next level of refinement. We have made great strides from 10.0 -> 10.1, and from 10.1 -> 10.2. Hopefully we will have the same step forward in 10.3.
     
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Feb 21, 2003, 08:28 PM
 
Originally posted by OptimusG4:
People to stop predicting stuff and then getting pissed off because nothing they want makes it in the final version.
We aren't predicting, we are hoping/requesting, and why shouldn't we? If we didn't want any new features or fixes then we'd be perfectly happy with the OS and would have no need for a new version. If we don't send suggestions to Apple then we'll never get what we want, and as long as we send suggestions it's okay to get pissed off if those changes don't make it into the final version. I don't think it is good to be overly upset, but being dissapointed just means you care about the product.

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Feb 21, 2003, 08:53 PM
 
Updated Dock with MIP and status icons!
     
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Feb 21, 2003, 09:25 PM
 
My hopes for 10.3 (just thinking off the top of my head here):

- Better iSub support (clearer bass; and the ability to mute the iSub both when hitting the Mute key, and when plugging in headphones)
- Complete Energy Saver panel (scheduled wake and sleep)
- Ability to open a second, third, etc. Finder window by clicking the Finder icon in the dock (we used to be able to do this in X in the Public Beta and 10.0.x, why did Apple remove this feature?)
- Option to enable outline resizing instead of live resizing of windows.
- Prettier boot and login screens (animation perhaps?)
- Better printer drivers (borderless printing on Epson printers anyone???!!!)
- Return of the Icon screensaver (anyone else miss this one?)
- Better skinability/customization of the UI (dock transparency, Finder icons, themes, widgets, cursors, etc.)
- Broadband auto-on upon bootup/login
- Finder window remembers setting (I hate how the first Finder window I open after reboot does not open with the setting I like...subsequent ones open fine)
- Ability to erase/format CD-RW's, floppies, SuperDisks, etc. from a Finder menu (not having to launch Disk Utility or Disk Copy to do so)
- Pocket PC synchronization in iSync 2.0 (man does PocketMac suck!), or ActiveSync for X
- Better Software Update recognition (I hate when I move an updated app to a subfolder within "Applications" and then Software Update doesn't recognize that I already updated it)
- Option for new desktop icons to appear on the left, top, or bottom instead of only on the right (it's a bit clunky when my Dock, which is on the right, covers up my downloaded files)
- Snappier performance of course

Hmm, I'll add on more as I think of them...
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Feb 21, 2003, 09:38 PM
 
Originally posted by milhous:
A lean Aqua would be nice, that is if such a thing exists.

Leave in the anti-aliased text and graphics, but give users a choice to turn of these genie animations and zooming window effects when opening your disks. Just a waste of CPU cycles and time that can be better spent elsewhere.
Oh please. 10.1 had no window zooming and 10.2 does and it is much faster. You really think the 1 second of a window effect is going to eat up tons of CPU for a long time?

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Feb 21, 2003, 09:41 PM
 
i want my windows to re-open exactly where i left 'em, at least that way i won't notice that they don't know where my dock is (on the left - a difficult concept for my Jag it seems)

i know this must sound petty, but the only way i relate to my 'puter is via the desktop.

and the damn finder, of course. it's pathetic in column view: which, unfortunately, is the best way for me to manage my files (iCabinet).

it just won't stay where i leave it. and when another window is open, i need to minimise or close that window first before i can open the finder.

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Feb 21, 2003, 10:05 PM
 
I would like OS X to be at least 90% as fast as Windows 2000/XP on hardware of similar vintage.

OS X is unacceptably slow, and no amount of spin from Apple or anyone else can convince me otherwise.
     
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Feb 22, 2003, 01:18 AM
 
I want it
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Feb 22, 2003, 03:58 AM
 
..put away and decent open/save dialogs ...

..the 2 biggest things i miss from 9..
     
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Feb 22, 2003, 04:45 AM
 
In general, I want 10.3 to finish what 10.2 and earlier started, before going on to new features. For instance:

* Better Open/Save dialogs

* For God's sake, better Bluetooth functionality. I want to be able to use other bluetooth devices like the MS BT Mouse. And also, make AddressBook stop taking over the entire Bluetooth connection when working with a BT phone (currently, this prevents your phone from simultaneously working with a BT headset).

* Full FTP from the Finder (read/write)

* FINALLY, stop making my laptop hang for 5 minutes if I forget to disconnect any servers before going to sleep....

* Fix iDisk copying, for crying out loud. There should be an accurate estimate of how long a file copy will take (it's possible with other webdav apps). Make it possible to actually cancel a file transfer in progress if I want (currently, this never seems to work...iDisk keeps going and going).

* Add some basic and much needed keyboard shortcuts to apps like iCal and AddressBook. For instance, it's sad that I can't maneuver around AddressBook while just using the keyboard.

* A Help system that doesn't take 5 minutes to load up (this happens once in a while).
     
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Feb 22, 2003, 05:56 AM
 
..you get a delay with help too?

..i thought it was my hard disk ...
     
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Feb 22, 2003, 07:17 AM
 
Originally posted by Ozmodiar:
I also want some Snappiness. Whenever I go to the iMac lab downstairs and use 8.6 (that's right, eight point six) I can't believe how fast the OS used to be.

App launch time, browsing speed, system responsiveness. It all just feels quicker.
Well, 9.1 was snappy on my PowerBook G3 Kanga (250 MHz, it used to be the fastest notebook in the world!).
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Feb 22, 2003, 07:32 AM
 
Originally posted by k2director:

* FINALLY, stop making my laptop hang for 5 minutes if I forget to disconnect any servers before going to sleep....
That really pisses me off too.

Also - if I sleep my Pismo and then unplug the USB too quickly - it goes into a coma.

I'd like that fixed.
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Feb 22, 2003, 09:10 AM
 
- Ability to open a second, third, etc. Finder window by clicking the Finder icon in the dock (we used to be able to do this in X in the Public Beta and 10.0.x, why did Apple remove this feature?)
YES! PLEASE! And I thought I was the only one pointlessly clicking at the finder icon only to find out that a finder window somewhere is already open.
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Feb 22, 2003, 09:42 AM
 
A finder that doesn't completely hang if you dare to put 1000 files in one directory.

Currently I'm 20 minutes into a beachball of death after dragging 1574 photos to the trash. Guess I shoulda used rm instead. The finder is still thinking and paging out past my 1.5 gigs of RAM so I'll let it run for a few hours to completion.

OS X is great but its finder is slow and completely unuseable in directories containing a few thousand files.
     
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Feb 22, 2003, 01:25 PM
 
Originally posted by dfiler:
A finder that doesn't completely hang if you dare to put 1000 files in one directory.

Currently I'm 20 minutes into a beachball of death after dragging 1574 photos to the trash. Guess I shoulda used rm instead. The finder is still thinking and paging out past my 1.5 gigs of RAM so I'll let it run for a few hours to completion.

OS X is great but its finder is slow and completely unuseable in directories containing a few thousand files.
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Feb 22, 2003, 02:31 PM
 
Do something mind blowing with Applescript GUI scripting.

This technology should allow us to record and play back scripts system wide. How about having keyboard shortcuts for instantly recording and playing back these applescript 'macros'?


Also what about technologies to give us clustering capabilities? Any application which makes use of multiple processors could be run across multiple compuiters on a network. For multimedia applications, 3d rendering, etc. this would be awesome. Apple could harness technologies like firewire 800, ip over firewire and rendezvous to make this kind of thing possible.
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Feb 22, 2003, 02:36 PM
 
Originally posted by simifilm:
Virtual desktops.

Better finder.

Better AppleScript support.

Better PS drivers.

X11 completely integrated into OSX.

Better sound system (surround sound anyone?)

New DVD player.
What he said.

Also I want the option to use the OS 9 gui instead of the OS X (aqua) gui, or X11.
     
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Feb 22, 2003, 02:47 PM
 
Originally posted by IUJHJSDHE:
What he said.

Also I want the option to use the OS 9 gui instead of the OS X (aqua) gui, or X11.
OH HECK YA, I feel like selling this cube here and seeing if i can pick myself up a nice old junk computer so i can look at how awful the interface of 9 was all day long. that would be so sweet.
     
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Originally posted by Hi I'm Ben:
OH HECK YA, I feel like selling this cube here and seeing if i can pick myself up a nice old junk computer so i can look at how awful the interface of 9 was all day long. that would be so sweet.
you really are a dick.

Here is what I want.

1. Better WebDAV. If I pay for .Mac using iDisk shouldnt be painful. (it was improved with jaguar, but there's still even more to do)

2. Apple to follow its human interface guidelines 100% (ie. shitcan metal in Safari). They seem to be straying from the HIG with the last few pieces of software (iMovie, iPhoto) and I don't want them to do that with OS X as well.

3. Multiple Logins a la WindowsXP.

4. Better iSub support.

5. More configurable dock. MiP for instance. I also hate when I accidently click the wrong icon in the dock and have to force quit it before it opens.

6. Finder FTP support.

7. Bring back the blue beachball that was in the jaguar betas.

8. Make the Network icon an actual network browser.

9. Ability to snap screenshots in DVD Player.app

10. More palettes for Cocoa. For instance, Apple loves to make use of dual NSTableViews, so why not create a subclass of NSView that is for dual tableviews to make coding them a hell of a lot easier.

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Feb 22, 2003, 04:28 PM
 
Originally posted by tikki:
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8. Make the Network icon an actual network browser.[/B]
Yes! I was praying we would have something like that the second they anounced OSX.

What we got was another chooser.

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Feb 22, 2003, 04:55 PM
 
Good FTP support in Finder.
Better than OS 9 open save boxes.
An option for auto hidding all apps but the ones active... I'm able to do this with ApplWindow under OS 9
Keyboard shortcuts using the F keys.
And speed... ultimately when I get my 12 inch PB, I simply want it to be stunning and not be something that in a year I'm sighing over.
     
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Feb 22, 2003, 06:46 PM
 
Extemporaneously...

What I'd like to see in OS X and what will appear in the next release, 10.3, are obviously not likely to converge on many levels.

Let's start with what I'd like to see done with the dock. First off all, I think the dock needs to pin itself to one corner of the screen (I know this can be done with third party hacks). I'm finding it's just not practical in the center because things move around too much, particularly when you minimize windows or launch apps not housed in the dock itself.

Moreover, I don't think anything should be in the dock except running applications on the computer. I think it would be more intuitive to only show applications running on the computer in the dock. I think we should return the window shade feature and dump the minimization to the dock of any windows. Further, I think the application switcher in the top menu bar; those features like Preferences, About, Hide App, Hide Others, and open window selections should be placed as a menu you get when you click on an application in the dock.

The System Preferences app shouldn't place itself in the dock; rather it should just be located in the Apple Menu where it also an option.

The Go Menu in Finder should be eliminated and the contents of it should be relocated to the Apple Menu. The Connect to Server feature should just be abolished from a menu item anywhere in the menu bar. There should be an option to place the Network icon on the desktop (as we can with Hard drives) -- for browsing available computers on the network.

When applications are hidden, they should be transparent in the dock to reveal that they are running but hidden. Also, when ever all the windows of an app are closed and the app is still running, when you click on it's icon in the dock or double click it from a shortcut or app icon, it should pop open a new window so you don't think it's dead.
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Feb 22, 2003, 08:21 PM
 
The System Preferences app shouldn't place itself in the dock; rather it should just be located in the Apple Menu where it also an option.
Just take it out of the Dock yourself.
When applications are hidden, they should be transparent in the dock to reveal that they are running but hidden.
Third party hacks available.
Also, when ever all the windows of an app are closed and the app is still running, when you click on it's icon in the dock or double click it from a shortcut or app icon, it should pop open a new window so you don't think it's dead.
Apps are already supposed to do this from the Dock. The other behaviors would be contrary to any number of years of user behavior for those who used OS7 onward.
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I want better openGL and real support to various games, like warcraft3, who in my mac (10.2.3,512ram,gforce32mb) i only take freeze screens.

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As others have already said, improve the finder

More GUI responsiveness

Better operation with Windows servers, I hate going back and cleaning up the _.trashes and _.dsstore files left behind by my Mac
     
 
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