[rmendis]

What new features will appear in Mac OS 10.3 Panther?

* I expect Safari final should feature and be the *big* new app for Panther.
* A new brush metal interface/update to the Mail app to compliment Safari UI.
* Bundling of new iChat, Mail, Safari, iSync, AddressBook, iCal into a .Mac "iTools" internet PIM package similar to iLife.
* Compiled for 64-bit PPC 970. (That is the OS will ship with 32 bit and 64 bit executables using Apple/NeXT MAB technology).

What i would like to see:
* Option for an advanced Desktop
# Optionally place the Trash on the Desktop instead of the Dock.
# Option for Dock applications management to be in the Apple Menu (like the old Apple Menu + Application Switcher) leaving the Dock exclusively for minimizing Windows.
* Optimizations for Carbon environment and apps
* Improved list view in Finder (like that of Safari)

[Superchicken]

Bunddling a budding web browser in with .Mac which not a ton of people are buying? I think you're on to something, after all .mac initially pissed off people, lets piss people off MORE by throwing Safari into it!
I don't think so bucko, Safari will most likely be considered a staple of OS X hence it won't make a debute in .mac.
As for the dock thing... you might be able to pull that off with hacks, and considering you seem to be one of the only people who likes that idea.... that suggests that the focus groups apple has probably would feel differently than you do
No offence I just wouldn't count on those options.
What I think might happen is POSSIBLY a new file system, it would make sense, that's the way windows is going, and I think it's more likely that Apple could pull it off better. Not to mention from my understanding it'd work well.
I'd like to see apple buy up some of the really cool sharewares and put them into OS X.
I don't think Panther will be as revolutionary as Jaguar was. Probably more under the hood stuff really. I'd LOVE to see REAL FTP in the finder.

[wataru]

Originally posted by rmendis:
* A new brush metal interface/update to the Mail app to compliment Safari UI.
* Bundling of new iChat, Mail, Safari, iSync, AddressBook, iCal into a .Mac "iTools" internet PIM package similar to iLife.

# Optionally place the Trash on the Desktop instead of the Dock.
# Option for Dock applications management to be in the Apple Menu (like the old Apple Menu + Application Switcher) leaving the Dock exclusively for minimizing Windows.

NO!

[sensorfreaky]

Panther? Mac OS X 10.3 Panther is coming already? WTF?!

Oh great. Another way Apple can nickel and dime me. My $130 copy of Jaguar is barely 2 months old and already I have to pay again to get a friggin' update?!?! Or worse yet, pay the full price like I did with Jaguar less than 6 months after I just bought a new mac that only came with 10.1.x. Ridiculous considering there are still bugs in Jaguar that don't deliver the reliable windows networking orginally promised.

I want my 10.2.5, my 10,2.6, my 10.2.7, my 10.2.8, and my 10.2.9 for free first Apple. Gimme my money's worth.

[Dex13]

Originally posted by sensorfreaky:
Panther? Mac OS X 10.3 Panther is coming already? WTF?!

Oh great. Another way Apple can nickel and dime me. My $130 copy of Jaguar is barely 2 months old and already I have to pay again to get a friggin' update?!?! Or worse yet, pay the full price like I did with Jaguar less than 6 months after I just bought a new mac that only came with 10.1.x. Ridiculous considering there are still bugs in Jaguar that don't deliver the reliable windows networking orginally promised.

I want my 10.2.5, my 10,2.6, my 10.2.7, my 10.2.8, and my 10.2.9 for free first Apple. Gimme my money's worth.

I know how you feel
Stupid 10.x !!

[Gankdawg]

Some people have friends named Acquisition and Limewire....let the flame war begin!

[Adam Betts]

Originally posted by sensorfreaky:
Panther? Mac OS X 10.3 Panther is coming already? WTF?!

Find a job then

[Superchicken]

Originally posted by sensorfreaky:
Panther? Mac OS X 10.3 Panther is coming already? WTF?!

Oh great. Another way Apple can nickel and dime me. My $130 copy of Jaguar is barely 2 months old and already I have to pay again to get a friggin' update?!?! Or worse yet, pay the full price like I did with Jaguar less than 6 months after I just bought a new mac that only came with 10.1.x. Ridiculous considering there are still bugs in Jaguar that don't deliver the reliable windows networking orginally promised.

I want my 10.2.5, my 10,2.6, my 10.2.7, my 10.2.8, and my 10.2.9 for free first Apple. Gimme my money's worth.

That's right, they're comming out with it tomrow your copy of OS X that you bought several months after it was released, will be out of date in 6 months or so by the time apple releases Panther. Quit your whining.
Nobody should be complaining about having just bought a new mac and having apple upgrade the software. It's a 130 dollar upgrade! You just bought a NEW Mac, that came with the exact software you bought it on. And considering Jaguar was announced probably by the time you'd bought your new Mac, you should have known you'd have to pay for it because you deffinately weren't getting it on your machine. Stop freaking out at a company for following regular release patterns which you don't want to schedual your buying around.
I'll probably be buying my new laptop right after Mac World NY, and I'll probably have to pay for panther with Jaguar running on my Mac for a very short time. Am I gona be mad? No cause Jaguar will STILL WORK, nobody will force you to upgrade you choose to.

I hope panther adds some UI tweaks. Possibly even individiaul application control of brushed metal. At least for apps that use it. I don't mind it but it'd be nice to have the option in a small preff box.

I'd also like to see some new pref panes... not sure why... I just want more... and uhh... maybe more of those things that bug you to upgrade to quicktime pro... heck lets add something that bugs you to upgrade to .mac! Uhh... yeah acctually I'm kinda worried they might add that... shudder. It would be nice if they chucked some cash into making .mac worth 100 bucks US. Cause right now... heck I'm paying a 50 bucks a year for an account with a Christian ministry server thing, and I get a Gig of HD space, 20 gigs of bandwidth, unlimited free pop e-mail, unlimited mySQL databases, php support and so on and so forth. What more than that does .Mac give me? Uhh... well the e-mail addy is @mac.com then again mine is @clayshaker.com uhh... oh they have a script that makes an iPhoto Album... to bad I already have software that would let me make one... what else... yeah... see that's the thing... .mac isn't really a deal that's the problem. I mean it's a good service if it's say 50 bucks, then since they dumb it down so non weby people can use it, that's a decent deal, esspecially if they included an iHTML editor. Unfortunately it really isn't that grand.

Honestly aside from a better file system, and tweaking the speed... what do you guys acctually think that they could do for OS X.3? They've pretty much made it so you can do whatever you want with it, and if you like OS 9 you can use some lil extra freewares and sharewares to get it back to the way OS 9 was with only a bit of OS X left in the interface.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

I will GLADLY pay $130 for 10.3. Asking for that amount each year is nothing for people with any sort of job and that enjoy using their macs.

[beb]

I want LIST SHADED WINDOWS!

Oh what's the use nobody gives a s--t anyway.

[ph0ust]

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
That's right, they're comming out with it tomrow your copy of OS X that you bought several months after it was released, will be out of date in 6 months or so by the time apple releases Panther. Quit your whining.
Nobody should be complaining about having just bought a new mac and having apple upgrade the software. It's a 130 dollar upgrade! You just bought a NEW Mac, that came with the exact software you bought it on. And considering Jaguar was announced probably by the time you'd bought your new Mac, you should have known you'd have to pay for it because you deffinately weren't getting it on your machine. Stop freaking out at a company for following regular release patterns which you don't want to schedual your buying around.
I'll probably be buying my new laptop right after Mac World NY, and I'll probably have to pay for panther with Jaguar running on my Mac for a very short time. Am I gona be mad? No cause Jaguar will STILL WORK, nobody will force you to upgrade you choose to.
<snip>

hasn't apple only posted updates for os 10.2 since it came out (meaning if you have os x you have to have the latest version), and not os 10.1? i am asking cause i don't know.... but from all i have seen they look like they are supporting either os 9 or os x, but only in its most recent version....

[beverson]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
I will GLADLY pay $130 for 10.3. Asking for that amount each year is nothing for people with any sort of job and that enjoy using their macs.

Don't flame me, but I disagree. If Apple really wants to re-establish itself in education, it can't keep charging $130 every year for OS upgrades. True, no one is forcing you to upgrade, etc., etc. But schools/students/teachers don't have a lot of money.

As a future high school teacher, I sure hope Apple keeps up this free OS X promotion, but I'm not really counting on it.

Additionally -- wasn't something said when Jaguar came out about full-upgrade-pricing every other year? I thought Phil Shiller, in response to complaints about Jaguar pricing, said that Apple had consistantly offered a full upgrade, and then a cheap or free major update, each in one year cycles. This used to be .0 and .5 updates, but now it seems they wanna stick with the 10=X thing, and so it's .1, .2, .3 updates. If so, and if ol' Phil wasn't lying to us, then I would hope 10.3 would be a 10.1-like upgrade in terms of price; $20 for media shipped, or a free copy at Apple Stores and CompUSAs and such.

Anyway, just my 2�.

[sensorfreaky]

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
Find a job then

Shut up Rochester boy and go eat your nasty garbage plates.

I'm allowed to complain.

And a job? Why would you assume it's a money issue and that I seem to have a lack of it? Get off your high horse. Believe me, I have a job that I enjoy and it buys me toys.

I'm just a little ticked that having purchased 2 macs this summer and a powerbook recently, and after having to buy jaguar for 2 of the 3 macs, I am again "going to have to" upgrade to yet another version of OSX when the current version hasn't even lived up to its promises yet... at least not in my book.

I'm allowed to complain. If you don't like it, shut up or at least refrain from your condescening tone.

[cpac]

Originally posted by beverson:
If Apple really wants to re-establish itself in education, it can't keep charging $130 every year for OS upgrades.

Hello? Jaguar didn't cost $130 for the educational customers - in fact, I believe educators got it for free (and the new iDVD and Keynote for like $15 or something ridiculous).

Seriously, when Apple puts out a major update I think they deserve to get paid. $130 for Jaguar was *well* worth the improvements: in networking, speed, and extras like ichat, safari, isync, etc. (not that I paid full price mind you - most places offer a special, and I get the educational discount)

I don't know what the improvements will be in 10.3 - we'll have to wait for the developer conference for a preview in all likelihood, but if they are on the same order as the changes from 10.1 to Jaguar, I'll be more than willing to pay for them.

If you don't want the improvements, you don't have to buy them, and buying Jaguar 6 months after it came out and getting annoyed that an upgrade might come out in another 6 months is just asinine.

[sensorfreaky]

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
That's right, they're comming out with it tomrow your copy of OS X that you bought several months after it was released, will be out of date in 6 months or so by the time apple releases Panther. Quit your whining.
Nobody should be complaining about having just bought a new mac and having apple upgrade the software. It's a 130 dollar upgrade! You just bought a NEW Mac, that came with the exact software you bought it on. And considering Jaguar was announced probably by the time you'd bought your new Mac, you should have known you'd have to pay for it because you deffinately weren't getting it on your machine. Stop freaking out at a company for following regular release patterns which you don't want to schedual your buying around.
I'll probably be buying my new laptop right after Mac World NY, and I'll probably have to pay for panther with Jaguar running on my Mac for a very short time. Am I gona be mad? No cause Jaguar will STILL WORK, nobody will force you to upgrade you choose to.

I hope panther adds some UI tweaks. Possibly even individiaul application control of brushed metal. At least for apps that use it. I don't mind it but it'd be nice to have the option in a small preff box.

I'd also like to see some new pref panes... not sure why... I just want more... and uhh... maybe more of those things that bug you to upgrade to quicktime pro... heck lets add something that bugs you to upgrade to .mac! Uhh... yeah acctually I'm kinda worried they might add that... shudder. It would be nice if they chucked some cash into making .mac worth 100 bucks US. Cause right now... heck I'm paying a 50 bucks a year for an account with a Christian ministry server thing, and I get a Gig of HD space, 20 gigs of bandwidth, unlimited free pop e-mail, unlimited mySQL databases, php support and so on and so forth. What more than that does .Mac give me? Uhh... well the e-mail addy is @mac.com then again mine is @clayshaker.com uhh... oh they have a script that makes an iPhoto Album... to bad I already have software that would let me make one... what else... yeah... see that's the thing... .mac isn't really a deal that's the problem. I mean it's a good service if it's say 50 bucks, then since they dumb it down so non weby people can use it, that's a decent deal, esspecially if they included an iHTML editor. Unfortunately it really isn't that grand.

Honestly aside from a better file system, and tweaking the speed... what do you guys acctually think that they could do for OS X.3? They've pretty much made it so you can do whatever you want with it, and if you like OS 9 you can use some lil extra freewares and sharewares to get it back to the way OS 9 was with only a bit of OS X left in the interface.

No need to antagonize you little brat. Yes I'm whining. This is a forum and that was my intention.

The way I see it, there is absolutely nothing wrong with whining when you consider my recent perspective on the "value" of Apple products as a recent switcher:

1. Within the last 8 months, I purchased 3 new macs with a total cost of nearly $6000.

2. Within the last 3 months, I paid for 2 copies of Jaguar. (I'm fine with this)

3. Windows home networking still doesn't work as well as the Apple folks from the store say. "Easy" -- yeah sure. (I'm not quite fine with this)

4. And now panther is coming out soon?

All that just means that in just over a year's time, after buying 3 machines with an operating system that promises so much, I can potentially be upgrading 2 of the 3 machines' operating system TWICE at full price, plus a recently purchased powerbook once with still no guarantee that everything will work as advertised.

Don't get me wrong. I love my Macs. My family and friends love my Macs. But as a recent switcher, I'm entitled to a personal appraisal of my new favorite computer maker. Paying for a new OS once at year isn't bad considering Apple's innovative software savvy. But my 3 mac purchases, 2 jaguar upgrades, and now 3 possible panther upgrades essentially mean that in the end, I have paid for 8 new operating systems for 3 Macs in about the same timeframe.

When Panther does come out, I will buy it for all my Macs and like it. I complain about it now because I can and it bothers me. But what bothers me even more is little s**ts who don't respect other people's opinions. Hopefully, I don't have to complain about the fact that windows networking still doesn't work right on panther...

[beverson]

Originally posted by cpac:
Hello? Jaguar didn't cost $130 for the educational customers - in fact, I believe educators got it for free (and the new iDVD and Keynote for like $15 or something ridiculous).

Good point. What I really meant was a full-price upgrade ($70 for edu? I think that's what I paid). That free deal was only for primary and secondary teachers, one copy per. Schools themselves were still supposed to pay for it, though I know of schools who asked teachers to sign their copies over to the school if they weren't going to use them. Students and all of higher ed still pay also, but you're right, not $130.

Originally posted by cpac:
Seriously, when Apple puts out a major update I think they deserve to get paid. $130 for Jaguar was *well* worth the improvements: in networking, speed, and extras like ichat, safari, isync, etc. (not that I paid full price mind you - most places offer a special, and I get the educational discount)

I also thought Jaguar was worth the price (especially since I got it for $70), but the fact that no upgrade path was really offered did kind of suck. Additionally, I think some users have legitimate gripes about Jaguar and if I were one of them I surely wouldn't want to pony up full price again. But, agian, I go back to what Phil said around the time Jaguar came out (if I misunderstood or "misquoted" him, please feel free to correct me).

Originally posted by cpac:
I don't know what the improvements will be in 10.3 - we'll have to wait for the developer conference for a preview in all likelihood, but if they are on the same order as the changes from 10.1 to Jaguar, I'll be more than willing to pay for them.

Being willing to pay and having the means to pay are two different things. Granted, computers are largely a luxury of the (relatively) wealthy. However, if Apple starts charging full price for an OS upgrade every year, I don't think that even middle-class folks are going to be able to justify that cost. Even at a discount, it'll be tough for me.

Originally posted by cpac:
If you don't want the improvements, you don't have to buy them,

You're absolutely right that no one is forced to upgrade, and I think I mentioned this point myself.

Originally posted by cpac:
and buying Jaguar 6 months after it came out and getting annoyed that an upgrade might come out in another 6 months is just asinine.

Again, I point back to what I remember Phil saying, but more importantly what Apple had indeed done for years past with OS 8, OS 9, and then OS X 10.1. 10.1 had a lot of good stuff in it, but they didn't make you pay full price for it if you already had 10.0. I don't have any idea if it will happen, but I think it very reasonable to hope that 10.3 will not be a full-price upgrade for folks already running 10.2. A few folks will always get burned, but man, if you pay full price for an upgrade, and then 3 or even 6 months later need to pay full price to get the next upgrade, that kinda stinks.

Apple definitely needs to make money. And while it should never cave to a bunch of whiny geeks who want everything for free, it isn't going to make much money by pissing everyone off by making them feel like they're getting nickled-and-dimed to death.

[Adam Betts]

Originally posted by sensorfreaky:
Shut up Rochester boy and go eat your nasty garbage plates.

I'm allowed to complain.

And a job? Why would you assume it's a money issue and that I seem to have a lack of it? Get off your high horse. Believe me, I have a job that I enjoy and it buys me toys.

I'm allowed to complain. If you don't like it, shut up or at least refrain from your condescening tone.

Complaining, complaining, complaining....

[Art Vandelay]

Is it really necessary to start another 10.3 thread every couple of weeks?

[Musti]

Originally posted by rmendis:
What new features will appear in Mac OS 10.3 Panther?

Snappier? Oh, and that debug co- (shuts up and hides)

[Gee4orce]

Originally posted by sensorfreaky:
Panther? Mac OS X 10.3 Panther is coming already? WTF?!

Oh great. Another way Apple can nickel and dime me. My $130 copy of Jaguar is barely 2 months old and already I have to pay again to get a friggin' update?!?! Or worse yet, pay the full price like I did with Jaguar less than 6 months after I just bought a new mac that only came with 10.1.x. Ridiculous considering there are still bugs in Jaguar that don't deliver the reliable windows networking orginally promised.

I want my 10.2.5, my 10,2.6, my 10.2.7, my 10.2.8, and my 10.2.9 for free first Apple. Gimme my money's worth.

I've just rung Steve Jobs and he's agreed to put 10.3 development on ice for a few months, just so you can get your "money's worth" from 10.2

[sensorfreaky]

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
Complaining, complaining, complaining....

Very nice website.

My sympathies though... I had no idea you were ugly.

[Adam Betts]

Originally posted by sensorfreaky:
Very nice website.

My sympathies though... I had no idea you were ugly.

I'm sure you could come up with a better insult than that, right?

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
I'm sure you could come up with a better insult than that, right?

ya, even Ca$h is more creative then that!

[sniffer]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
ya, even Ca$h is more creative then that!

Truth! Where is that dude gone anyway?

[bojangles]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
I will GLADLY pay $130 for 10.3. Asking for that amount each year is nothing for people with any sort of job and that enjoy using their macs.

I have any sort of a job. I�m a married man with a four-year degree and a professional position that I love, and with all the money going to student loans and medical bills (and my five-year-old G3/266 that STILL isn�t paid off), I can�t even cover my rent, let alone spend another $130 on Panther. The only reason I even have Jag is because my parents gave it to me!

That having been said, I don�t blame Apple for charging for major system upgrades, but I�d really like to see a free upgrade to Panther (like it was from Cheetah to Puma) and then pay for Merlot, next year.

How about it, Apple?

[voodoo]

...and I thought this was going to be a thread about OS 10.3 features

<sigh>

[xi_hyperon]

Originally posted by voodoo:
...and I thought this was going to be a thread about OS 10.3 features

<sigh>

Thread topics in this forum are simply a thin veneer to hide all the

See my sig. It's a quote from someone in here.

[sushiism]

Originally posted by rmendis:
What new features will appear in Mac OS 10.3 Panther?

* I expect Safari final should feature and be the *big* new app for Panther.
* A new brush metal interface/update to the Mail app to compliment Safari UI.
* Bundling of new iChat, Mail, Safari, iSync, AddressBook, iCal into a .Mac "iTools" internet PIM package similar to iLife.
* Compiled for 64-bit PPC 970. (That is the OS will ship with 32 bit and 64 bit executables using Apple/NeXT MAB technology).

nonononononononononononono
ugh brushed metal mail how horrible.

And panther wont be out for eons stop whining

[Simon]

Originally posted by sensorfreaky:
Shut up Rochester boy and go eat your nasty garbage plates.
...
I'm allowed to complain. If you don't like it, shut up or at least refrain from your condescening tone.

Originally posted by sensorfreaky:
No need to antagonize you little brat.

Originally posted by sensorfreaky:
My sympathies though... I had no idea you were ugly.

Look buddy, you are insulting and you have no idea about any facts re 10.3 here.

10.3 is not announced, we don't know about 10.2.5, 10.2.6, etc. and we don't know about any prices. You are just being a hysterical nuisance.

I understand you being hysterical because you lack the necessary knowledge, but I object to the idea that you have to post it here - it's rather boring to listen to the rants of the clueless.

I suggest you either get your act together or get lost.


Back on topic
I'd like to see Apple build X11 client support into the OS and I'd like to see them make multiple local and remote login sessions possible. And then they could bundle the OS with AppleWorks 7 which is based on OpenOffice.org and delivers 100% MS Office compatibility with true Mac OS X look & feel.

[nsxpower]

What new features will appear in Mac OS 10.3 Panther?

Well, I have no f*cking idea --- neither does anyone outside the development team thats working on 10.3. Maybe there will never be a 10.3 --- it will be 10.5 --- thats what the hooker that !%&* my buddy, that previously $%&*! with Apple Customer Support person, that had an affair with middle management who heard from some delevopment people that were having an unrelated conversation that there will be 10.3 and that it will f*cking rock everyone's world and will have 101 "new" features, specifically:

- Snappy TM
- No Debug Code

Seriously, is there any purpose in discussion of products/services that are vaporware at this time. I wish mods would just lock these topics before anyone could ever have a chance to respond. (However, that you for letting me channel my anger and bad karma through this post --- commence locking of the topic, now.)

The there are people who jump in and start discussion possible pricing strategies for upcoming vaporware, which obviously pisses off some people who got screwed for $130 on Jaguar --- BFD thats like one night out on the town, so stop whining. Charging $100 for .MAC a service that offers no value for money what-so-f*-ever (other then to people who can't figure out how to use a simple FTP client). Thats something to bitch about ... it was nice when it was free, cuz it saved you a few clock here and there.

Anyhow,

* I expect Safari final should feature and be the *big* new app for Panther.

Am I missing something ... Safari (I am not very fond of the name) is already making quite a mark right now --- just a kick in the pants for MBU to finally give us IE 6 (18 months in development, wtf?). Other then that it is nothing to special. NEWSFLASH: An internet browser is no longer the *killer* app these days.

* A new brush metal interface/update to the Mail app to compliment Safari UI.

This can be now with some free/shareware utilities out there or using developer tools (something everyone likes to mention as a huge plus with OS X, but rarely uses /excluding developers, of course/). Also, how would this make the application any better?

* Bundling of new iChat, Mail, Safari, iSync, AddressBook, iCal into a .Mac "iTools" internet PIM package similar to iLife.

And call it what? > iHaveareallyslowconnection? Cumulative download for the above mentioned apps is about 15MB (I am being generous here). And sell it for what $4.99? Further more, iCaht/Mail/AddyBook/iCal/etc. come on OS X CD as a part of standard installation. Jesus, it would probably cost more to bundle and ship this PIM (?) package then its worth.

* Compiled for 64-bit PPC 970. (That is the OS will ship with 32 bit and 64 bit executables using Apple/NeXT MAB technology).

I very much much doubt that we are going to see IBM's 970 in PowerMacs this year. Realistically think 1Q 2004 > 2Q 2004 ... But then my opinion is worth as much as the next guys And if 970 miracle ever happens, I am sure OS X will run fine on it, as well as older hardware.

What i would like to see:
* Option for an advanced Desktop

I am intrigued ... what are you talking about?

# Optionally place the Trash on the Desktop instead of the Dock.

iCan ... but OS X Trash is multifunctional (eject/remove toolbar items/application specific actions/etc) --- moving it to the desktop where it would be hidden by open windows is just stupid, since that would destroy a lot of functionality in OS X and applications that use Trash for delete/eject/remove operations.

# Option for Dock applications management to be in the Apple Menu (like the old Apple Menu + Application Switcher) leaving the Dock exclusively for minimizing Windows.

While more functionality in the Apple Menu - would be nice (and please get rid of all the commercials aka Shop for OS X Apps ... so MS like). WHAT you are talking about - WILL NEVER HAPPEN. You can probably achieve the functionality you seek with FruitMenu. Hell, you can get rid of the dock comletely - just rename Dock.app to something like ihatethedock.app ...

* Optimizations for Carbon environment and apps

Like I said Snappy TM and NO Debug Code. But seriosly, this would help people who will have to use --- ahh the suspense --- Quark 6 under OS X.

* Improved list view in Finder (like that of Safari)

I hate list view in OS X ... its such utter rubbish ... setting don't stick from folder to folder (even if you do a global setting).

-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

- What I want is an option to Organize by name/kind at the same time, like it does it on windows (automatically by default).

- Make it as fast as humainly possible, considering that hardware is not getting any faster (this year at least).

- More customization from System Preferences, hence less hacks/3rd party utils needed to be installed -> stable system.

[Simon]

Oh, I forgot one more thing for 10.3 that I absolutely want. I hope somebody at Apple reads this (I'll even put it in bold letters) because this bug has been around since OS X PB and it is making me go freaking nuts!

[RANT]I want to see the Finder window the way I set it to be right away when I first open it. I hate to have to open it twice after logging in just to see it with my display settings![/RANT]

[Weezer]

Originally posted by sensorfreaky:
Shut up Rochester boy and go eat your nasty garbage plates.

Hey now, lets leave Nick Tahoes out of this....mmm garbage plate

[CubeWannaB]

There's a feature that no one has heard about yet that is going to blow you all away! Trust me on this, you can't even imagine...

[nsxpower]

How about *multiple users at the same time* aka the way WindowsXP does it?

I get damn pissed to have to terminate that 200MB download or quit all my apps ... just because I can't deal with my gf bitching that she needs to check her email or something. Also handy for when you take of for lunch ... leave apps running, secure and ppl can still log in to do their stuff.

God, there could be so many improvements to OS X ... fixing all the bugs, removing all the painintheass issues that you face every day, making it faster and adding important features (aka what it says above).

If I was SJ, I would have a part of the developer deal browse popular mac forums and read all the whining comments and constructive ones real users have, rather then create gimmicky features that nobody gives a **** about.

[GK]

Originally posted by beverson:
Don't flame me, but I disagree. If Apple really wants to re-establish itself in education, it can't keep charging $130 every year for OS upgrades. True, no one is forcing you to upgrade, etc., etc. But schools/students/teachers don't have a lot of money.

That's the reason Apple Edu store charges $69 for Jaguar.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by sushiism:
nonononononononononononono
ugh brushed metal mail how horrible.

Hey, better then Pin-stripes all over the place.

[rmendis]

Originally posted by sushiism:
brushed metal mail how horrible.

Well, i mean it ought to be brought in sync with Safari.

That is have mailboxes like the way Safari has bookmarks (I hate that tray thing and the oversized mailboxes).
Also a simplified mono icons/buttons for Mail app like Safari.

To be honest I think those multi-coloured icons are a bit gaudy.
Now for a remark that may truely *flame* users
I believe Internet Explorer for Mac OS X to have a better set of icons (single colour, 3D, effects) than that of the Finder or Mail.

I'm not a huge fan of the 'brushed metal' look, but the apps that implement the brushed metal interface tend to have better (simpler) icons and sometimes better interface widgets.

Like the list view in Safari Bookmarks panel is so much nicer than List View in the Finder...now why couldn't Apple produce a List View for the Finder like that...unless of course - X-files conspiracy theory - that Apple wanted to encourage use of Column View (which is far superior anyway, without having to cripple List View).

Finally Mail should add support for httpprotocol, so that we can manage HotMail and YahooMail mailboxes just like .Mac or POP mail.
I can finally say goodbye to Entourage after that...but only after that.

[Richyfp]

... But my 3 mac purchases, 2 jaguar upgrades, and now 3 possible panther upgrades essentially mean that in the end, I have paid for 8 new operating systems for 3 Macs in about the same timeframe...

Ya know what? Instead of buying 3 copies of Panther, or, for that matter, instead of buying 2 copies of Jaguar just buy this. $199 for 5 (yes, 5) copies of Jaguar.

[Nonsuch]

Originally posted by rmendis:
What i would like to see:
# Optionally place the Trash on the Desktop instead of the Dock.
# Option for Dock applications management to be in the Apple Menu (like the old Apple Menu + Application Switcher) leaving the Dock exclusively for minimizing Windows.

I see no chance of this, and furthermore, I can't believe OS X is two years old and people are still crying out to have their trash on the desktop or their old app switcher back. It ain't gonna friggin' happen.

[Dale Sorel]

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
I will GLADLY pay $130 for 10.3. Asking for that amount each year is nothing for people with any sort of job and that enjoy using their macs.

Same goes for $100/year for .Mac, IMO.

[rmendis]

Originally posted by nsxpower:

- Snappy TM

I think optimizing the Carbon environment ought to be at the top of the list of things Apple should do for Mac OS X 10.3 Panther.

Looking at the poll of which is faster at running Carbon apps, Mac OS 9 or Mac OS X, the vast majority of users (all so far) have voted for Mac OS 9: http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=149376

Now this is not surprising as Mac OS X evolved from a Cocoa/OPENSTEP native environment/OS.

Given that most of the apps ported/written for Mac OS X *are* in fact Carbon, Apple should look at making Carbon the native environment and Cocoa the secondary one.

(To understand the difference recall the difference between running:
1. SoftWindows on NEXTSTEP for Intel
2. OPENSTEP for Windows on Windows 2000/NT/XP

The first compares better with Classic running on Mac OS X than the Carbon stack on Mac OS X, while the second is what Apple engineering should have been aiming for...in terms of seemlessness and performance for legacy/Carbon apps. The only reason why OPENSTEP couldn't be ported to Mac OS Classic, is that the foundation of that OS didn't have preemptive multitasking and protected memory which is essential for the OPENSTEP/Cocoa API/environment. Well, hope that makes sense?)

[Hi I'm Ben]

[ambush]

my exxclusive sources confirmed that the debug code might be removed in 10.3...

[ambush]

My sources leaked the new panther box design.. here it is..

[sensorfreaky]

Originally posted by Simon:
I understand you being hysterical because you lack the necessary knowledge, but I object to the idea that you have to post it here - it's rather boring to listen to the rants of the clueless.

I suggest you either get your act together or get lost.

Oh great. Another condescending idiot.

Did I hurt your feelings too?

Awwww..... I feel so terrible. But I'm sure I'll get over it in about 30 seconds.

[Adam Betts]

Originally posted by ambush:
My sources leaked the new panther box design.. here it is..

Haha!

[Simon]

Originally posted by sensorfreaky:
Did I hurt your feelings too?

No. That would require a bit more effort - unfortunately you're just not up to it.

[Simon]

Ambush and Ben, great pics btw. LOL!

[rmendis]

Originally posted by nsxpower:
I very much much doubt that we are going to see IBM's 970 in PowerMacs this year. Realistically think 1Q 2004 > 2Q 2004 ... But then my opinion is worth as much as the next guys And if 970 miracle ever happens, I am sure OS X will run fine on it, as well as older hardware.

IBM has stated that it will ship PowerPC Blade Servers this year.
Also, there is no reason to imagine that IBM has the same manufacturing and design problems as Motorola.
So I expect them to ship. This year.
We may see an announcement as early as the next MW.

That would mean that 64-bit support must be targeted for Mac OS X 10.3 Panther.

Apple already has the technology (called Multi-architecture binary format) which allows it to ship apps, frameworks, etc... for more than one architecture (in this case treat 32-bit PPC and 64-bit PPC as separate architectures). Not all apps need be compiled 'fat', just those that should benefit from 64-bits.

It shouldn't be much effort though i'm not sure if Apple will use the 64-bit PPC 970 as an excuse to remove the Classic environment from the 64-bit version of Mac OS X.

That is the other 'thorn' in Mac OS X's side...a god awful, slow and resource hungry Classic compatibilty environment.

[im_noahselby]

Originally posted by sensorfreaky:
Shut up Rochester boy and go eat your nasty garbage plates.

I'm allowed to complain.

And a job? Why would you assume it's a money issue and that I seem to have a lack of it? Get off your high horse. Believe me, I have a job that I enjoy and it buys me toys.

I'm just a little ticked that having purchased 2 macs this summer and a powerbook recently, and after having to buy jaguar for 2 of the 3 macs, I am again "going to have to" upgrade to yet another version of OSX when the current version hasn't even lived up to its promises yet... at least not in my book.

I'm allowed to complain. If you don't like it, shut up or at least refrain from your condescening tone.

I'm so sick of hearing people whine about upgrade fee's. Anyone with enough money to purchase two or three computers a year can surely purchase one OS update...

I'm only eighteen and barely make eight dollars an hour, but do you see me complaining. Nope. Apple is a business and they need to make money and 10.2 was a very good piece of software and worthy upgrade for its price.

I'm still on 10.1.5 and and was going to purchase 10.2 when it first came out, but opted to put my money in the bank and pay for the next upgrade. When 10.3 comes out I will gladly purchase it, because it will offer me all of 10.2 and so much more. We will get Safari, iChat 2 (with video support?), iCal 2, iTunes4?, and overall a much more refined operating system. I'm betting that this upgrade will be even more compelling than 10.2 was for us.

If you can't justify the cost than refrain from upgrading every year and do so when you feel you'll be getting your money's worth. But please stop whining about it.

Noah