[NormPhillips]

You people have won! I just couldn't take it any more! I tried SpamCOP, I tried bouncing, I tried filters, etc. And yet the SPAM still came through, so I've gotten rid of my normphillips@alnora.com e-mail account! I hope you jerks are happy!

[Earth Mk. II]

heh.. I've seen some spam that inserts html tags between letters for words to avoid the more advanced filters.

pure evil i tell you. pure evil.

[juanvaldes]

Originally posted by Earth Mk. II:
heh.. I've seen some spam that inserts html tags between letters for words to avoid the more advanced filters.

pure evil i tell you. pure evil.

sadly that is what they all do now. Until the developers make a catcher that just looks for a HTML tag around every letter/word and they have to change tatics again.

[ambush]

pure evil, indeed. But it's how business (capitalism anyone?) works nowadays.

[quadgrande]

Whoa you guys are truly wound up. Sounds like you have in your head a programmed reaction to an unwanted email in your inbox. Do you act the same way with the junk mail in your postal box?

I for one derive satisfaction from deleting junk mail without ever reading it. The spammers had to pay some fee (unless they are hunting down poorly administered SMTP servers), and I have cost them their hard earned money!

I find a shifting of perspective solves wonders. It is not the thing itself, but our reaction to the thing that determines who we are.

As for an attempt at slandering capitalism, some people respond to such spam, which fuels their engines. Maybe you feel that the Internet belongs to you, and that it should behave as you decide? That would be a much better solution I am sure. I'm sure that you have better uses, and that unsolicited emails are wrong. They actually are against the law in the US. I believe if they do the research, or pay someone else to, and on top of that pay to have their message sent, it should be allowed. I can delete their money.

You may argue that spam costs you money. Real junk mail doesn't?

The moochers should be ashamed of their lives.

[midwinter]

Originally posted by NormPhillips:
You people have won! I just couldn't take it any more! I tried SpamCOP, I tried bouncing, I tried filters, etc. And yet the SPAM still came through, so I've gotten rid of my normphillips@alnora.com e-mail account! I hope you jerks are happy!

Paul Ford over at Ftrain has A Plan For Spam.

It's brilliant.

Cheers
Scott

[ambush]

Originally posted by quadgrande:
Whoa you guys are truly wound up. Sounds like you have in your head a programmed reaction to an unwanted email in your inbox. Do you act the same way with the junk mail in your postal box?

I for one derive satisfaction from deleting junk mail without ever reading it. The spammers had to pay some fee (unless they are hunting down poorly administered SMTP servers), and I have cost them their hard earned money!

I find a shifting of perspective solves wonders. It is not the thing itself, but our reaction to the thing that determines who we are.

As for an attempt at slandering capitalism, some people respond to such spam, which fuels their engines. Maybe you feel that the Internet belongs to you, and that it should behave as you decide? That would be a much better solution I am sure. I'm sure that you have better uses, and that unsolicited emails are wrong. They actually are against the law in the US. I believe if they do the research, or pay someone else to, and on top of that pay to have their message sent, it should be allowed. I can delete their money.

You may argue that spam costs you money. Real junk mail doesn't?

The moochers should be ashamed of their lives.

The internet does not belong the me, sir, but my email address does. It's just ****ing annoying to delete spam everyday.. mail becomes slower, and there's also this SEX spam which really frustrates me..

DO YOU WANT TO ENLARGE YOUR PENIS?

No, I don't. Thanks for asking me 43 times a day, though.

Nonsense.

The moochers should be ashamed of their lives.

What? you think they actually care? God, a spam firm has coded its own spam software and the bot does the rest of the job. It harvests the email on the web - even in here - and then, at a specific time of the day/night, it spams away. Their goddamn spam machines cluster is prolly in a closet or at a data center nearby.

These goddamn monkeys are prolly rolling on the floor laughing in their Palace in Hawaii. Jeez. Give me a break.

Wake up, we live in a big capitalist world where the big bosses don't give a *damn* about us. All they want is our money.

[eno]

But how bad can it be?

I only get about 10 spams a day, and that is with 6 or so public email addresses out there on the net, one or two of them quite prominent.

[Mr. Blur]

yeah, i hate spam too although i get very little. what i didn't know was that spam was just an os x problem - it must be 'cause it's in the os x forum....

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by quadgrande:
Whoa you guys are truly wound up. Sounds like you have in your head a programmed reaction to an unwanted email in your inbox. Do you act the same way with the junk mail in your postal box?

At least that junk is usually for legitimate services. Spam quite often consists of pyramid scams, child pornography, and other things which are illegal.

[mikeylebeau]

This is the only reason I still do email on my PC. Cloudmark Spamnet is pretty damn good.

-mikey

[IUJHJSDHE]

Originally posted by NormPhillips:
You people have won! I just couldn't take it any more! I tried SpamCOP, I tried bouncing, I tried filters, etc. And yet the SPAM still came through, so I've gotten rid of my normphillips@alnora.com e-mail account! I hope you jerks are happy!

Are you talking to us or the spammers?
also this belongs in software forum, or maybe lounge.

[zappy]

Just use Mail.app and its wonderful junk mail filter. It works very good. And you can train it to catch your personal spam. With a good spam filter it is even fun to take a look at what it has catched ...

[GENERAL_SMILEY]

Originally posted by NormPhillips:
You people have won! I just couldn't take it any more! I tried SpamCOP, I tried bouncing, I tried filters, etc. And yet the SPAM still came through, so I've gotten rid of my normphillips@alnora.com e-mail account! I hope you jerks are happy!

...what can I say, I'm sorry - I was simply under the impression you did have a small penis, and you might want my help.

[quadgrande]

You prove my point. You are truly wound up.

You are inventing images of spammers rolling on the floor laughing at you in your head.

No wonder you're peaved. I guess if I visualized people pointing and laughing at me when I receive an email, I could work myself into a frenzy as well.

I get the same amount of spam as you do, yet I behave differently. You don't even have to look at it. Just delete it. Jeez.

How about this solution. Create a list of people from whom you receive email. If a message isn't from one of those people, automatically delete it. Route it straight into your trash. If you use your email for business, you shouldn't be receiving email from people you don't know without speaking with them first right? Add them to your list before they send the email.

If you really expect a lot of legitimate email from people you don't know, you really should have a separate email account for it.

Hope you feel better.

[quadgrande]

Oh, and BTW, unless you own your domain, and an SMTP server on which you can receive email, you don't really own your email. Your ISP does. Try switching ISPs and keeping your email.

Even if you own your own domain, you won't own the IP address you must associate with it. You don't really own the network to which you're connecting either (i.e. the Internet).

[mikeylebeau]

Originally posted by zappy:
Just use Mail.app and its wonderful junk mail filter. It works very good. And you can train it to catch your personal spam. With a good spam filter it is even fun to take a look at what it has catched ...

Sorry, but Mail.app's junk filter blows compared to Spamnet.

-mikey

[chris v]

Originally posted by eno:
But how bad can it be?

I only get about 10 spams a day, and that is with 6 or so public email addresses out there on the net, one or two of them quite prominent.

It can be bad. I foolishly used an email address for an ebay account back when I was too green to know better, and that account now gets between 200 and 300 junkmail messages a week, so ~40 per day. That's an extreme case, but it can happen.

CV

[Bobby]

I just implemented a change with my web hosting service the other day due to spam...

Basically, the domain of torgo.org belongs to me, and my e-mail was set up so anything@torgo.org automatically forwarded to me. Recently someone out there started sending adult spam using random addresses such as akdifja@torgo.org or sjshfuld@torgo.org. As a result of having all @torgo.org addresses sending to me, every time this spamer sent a message using one of these addresses to an invalid e-mail address, I ended up receiving a "Mail Daemon" error indicating that the address the spam (which I did NOT send) was sent to was invalid.

Now only specific @torgo.org addresses send to me, but this entire thing was a pain, as I received several hundred of the bounched messages total...

[zappy]

Originally posted by mikeylebeau:
Sorry, but Mail.app's junk filter blows compared to Spamnet.

I just took a look at Spamnet and think it is a good concept for fighting spam. It is just different from the learning filter in Mail.app, which must be trained by you. Spamnet is trained by everyone who uses it.

Maybe Apple should use its .mac service to offer a Spamnet-like feature for its users.

[mikeylebeau]

Originally posted by zappy:
I just took a look at Spamnet and think it is a good concept for fighting spam. It is just different from the learning filter in Mail.app, which must be trained by you. Spamnet is trained by everyone who uses it.

Maybe Apple should use its .mac service to offer a Spamnet-like feature for its users.

Wouldn't be a bad idea.. Or Cloudmark should release Spamnet to work on some app in OS X...

-mikey

[NormPhillips]

Originally posted by IUJHJSDHE:
Are you talking to us or the spammers?
also this belongs in software forum, or maybe lounge.

1) It's directed for the spamers. I'm sure some of them are on this forum.

2) It's not like I feel they are laughing at me. It's more like I'm becoming incredably annoyed by all the crap that passes through even the filters, and continues to come even when I report them to SpamCOP or bounce the e-mail.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by NormPhillips:
1) It's directed for the spamers. I'm sure some of them are on this forum.

That sounds a bit 'noid. :/

[Fallout]

The only spam that pisses me off are the huge ones with HTML that takes FOREVER to load, or attached Windows screensaver virii. The rest, I just erase..there is no point in getting wound up about something that takes all of a second to delete.

[ambush]

Originally posted by quadgrande:
You prove my point. You are truly wound up.

You are inventing images of spammers rolling on the floor laughing at you in your head.

No wonder you're peaved. I guess if I visualized people pointing and laughing at me when I receive an email, I could work myself into a frenzy as well.

I get the same amount of spam as you do, yet I behave differently. You don't even have to look at it. Just delete it. Jeez.

How about this solution. Create a list of people from whom you receive email. If a message isn't from one of those people, automatically delete it. Route it straight into your trash. If you use your email for business, you shouldn't be receiving email from people you don't know without speaking with them first right? Add them to your list before they send the email.

If you really expect a lot of legitimate email from people you don't know, you really should have a separate email account for it.

Hope you feel better.

I like to read your attempts at making spammer look good, very interesting but NO I don't LIKE spammers NO I do not respect them. AND YES they are losers. NO I don't like to get child porn in my inbox. NO I don't have a small penis. NO I don't want to be milionaire tomorrow.

I never saw someone defend spammers like you. Are you one of "them"?

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by ambush:
I like to read your attempts at making spammer look good, very interesting but NO I don't LIKE spammers NO I do not respect them. AND YES they are losers. NO I don't like to get child porn in my inbox. NO I don't have a small penis. NO I don't want to be milionaire tomorrow.

I never saw someone defend spammers like you. Are you one of "them"?

No kidding. Spam is not an example of capitalism - legitimate businesses that operate in the light of day are. Spam is more like the black market. Everyone there conceals their identity, sells things that are illegal, and much of the time, they're trying to cheat people out of their money, not sell legitimate goods.

[Superchicken]

Why would a spam service try and get around a blocker, I dout there is any way that anyone would buy anything if spam gets through their blocker.
OH well the best way to keep your e-mail box full, use your own domain name, only give your e-mail adresses to friends who KNOW not to put it in anything like crush.com or something stupid like that... and tell them not to FWD anything to you. My old hotmail one never got any porn... just mortgages ... my personal domain one now gets a bit of spam but only 3 a day or so if that, but it is frustrating. I'd like to see an organization take action against a spam group by doing a Denial of Service attack to their networks. Just spam the spammers so much that they can't send you crap. Do it in a place where spam is legal and simply target spammers, they're not likely to try and inforce any anti spam laws in their area cause they're spamming others.
And then get a free anti spam client going that filters spam and uses your extra bandwidth to attack spammers... it'd be a good solution

But you guys are acctually getting porn and child porn? I wonder what websites put you on those lists... I dono maybe it's just cause I largely don't give out my adress... but for anyone wondering blogspot.com also sells their e-mail addies to spammers

[MacSteve]

I'm honored this can be my first post...

What really ticks me off is that the spammers seem to be concentrating their efforts on the guys with small dicks. While I'm certain that some of them would prefer larger members; what of those of us who pine for smaller dicks? I, for one, would really appreciate lopping off a few unused inches.

[milhous]

Also if you have your own host/website, don't code your email address into HTML. Instead use JavaScript to list the email address or simply make a gif or jpg with the email address so spambots can't parse the address.

Best bet would be to make all your contact information into a graphic and go from there.

[iRebound]

Originally posted by milhous:
Also if you have your own host/website, don't code your email address into HTML. Instead use JavaScript to list the email address or simply make a gif or jpg with the email address so spambots can't parse the address.

Best bet would be to make all your contact information into a graphic and go from there.

spammers are starting to know that javascript trick too and you (at) domain (dot) com

[BTP]

Quadrangle:

I understand your point, but you fail to see the whole picture, and your understanding is childlike (not childish- there is a difference).

Just because YOU don't see some aspect of spamming doesn't mean that it doesn't esist. Sure you can delete what they send you, but that is one spoke on the wheel of problems that spam creates.

First, in many states, it is illegal. It is also hard to catch spammers. They steal bandwidth, hijack SMTP servers, rape open relays, co-opt formail scripts and so on. These are real scummy people. There is no legitimate business that uses spam. I could go on, but my point is spam does a lot more harm than you realize. If you did realize, then you would understand and not have eschewed the 'just hit delete' mantra.

Spammers are criminals and are causing a lot of harm for relativly little profit.

Norm:

I said this before, maybe you missed it, but you need Spambouncer. Alnora is hosted on Linux and I can talk/walk you through installing Spambouncer, which is to spam what nukes are to war.

If you want, you can use your email address again, but with Spamboucner and with a bit of effort, your inbox will be yours again. You will need shell access to Alnora, which I assume you have. If you don't we can't use SB. If this confuses you, let me know. I was getting 50+ per day, and as much as 100. It was OUT OF CONTROL. Now I have KFA on spam and life is good again.

So Norm, message me if you're interested.

[ApeInTheShell]

Ahem, why didn't you just find a email client that is compatible with mail.app's protocols?
It filters out all the junk mail, but when you go to the web it is still there. go figure.

[malvolio]

[unsolicited_testimonial] I use Spamfire. After setting it up and doing just a little tweaking of its parameters, no spam has made it to my inbox in months. Zero. Zip. Zilch.[/unsolicited_testimonial]

[CharlesS]

Here's the thing about bouncing spam that I don't understand. If they fake their return address, how can "Bounce to Sender" possibly know what e-mail address to send the bounce message to? Can the server figure it out, or is this simply a waste of time (likely imho)?

[JB72]

Originally posted by CharlesS:
Here's the thing about bouncing spam that I don't understand. If they fake their return address, how can "Bounce to Sender" possibly know what e-mail address to send the bounce message to? Can the server figure it out, or is this simply a waste of time (likely imho)?

You're right. I think the key is to dig into the headers and w/ luck get an origin IP. Something like that.

[BTP]

If you're reffering to Spambouncer, then JB72 is correct, more or less. Spam is not bounced, but in some cases, reported to the offending ISP and the FTC too. It isn't really 'bounced'.

It works really well.

[GENERAL_SMILEY]

Originally posted by BTP:
Quadrangle:
...rape open relays

Stop the rape of open relays now!!

Some relays have needed months of counselling, some relays won't even step outside their front door any more, we must all step in to prevent relay abuse.

[BTP]

If you understand what happens with spammers and open relays and you have a more appropriate term, fire away.

[MacOSR]

Originally posted by quadgrande:
Whoa you guys are truly wound up. Sounds like you have in your head a programmed reaction to an unwanted email in your inbox. Do you act the same way with the junk mail in your postal box?

I for one derive satisfaction from deleting junk mail without ever reading it. The spammers had to pay some fee (unless they are hunting down poorly administered SMTP servers), and I have cost them their hard earned money!

I find a shifting of perspective solves wonders. It is not the thing itself, but our reaction to the thing that determines who we are.

As for an attempt at slandering capitalism, some people respond to such spam, which fuels their engines. Maybe you feel that the Internet belongs to you, and that it should behave as you decide? That would be a much better solution I am sure. I'm sure that you have better uses, and that unsolicited emails are wrong. They actually are against the law in the US. I believe if they do the research, or pay someone else to, and on top of that pay to have their message sent, it should be allowed. I can delete their money.

You may argue that spam costs you money. Real junk mail doesn't?

The moochers should be ashamed of their lives.

WOAH...one MAJOR difference. Spammers do not have to pay for the delivery of their spam. As an ASP I do have to pay because of the added network bandwidth I have to have. Consider this. Out of 20,000 emails/day we are blocking over 50% at the network level as spam!

Would the postman run around and deliver junk mail for free?

The US needs a law with some teeth to it. I believe that SPAM should be allowed but there needs to be severe penalties for abuse...just as there is for unsolicited phone calls.

[as2]

I'd like to see how the new 'law' here in the UK to stop junk mail does.

Personally I don't think it will do jack, as 99% of the junkmail I get is from US companies.

I must get 15 junk emails a day!

I've got to hand it to BT though, my ADSL account email is the only one I never get any junk mail sent to. Could be BT's supposed advanced spam filtering, or it could be because I've only ever used it about 3 times in the past 18 months.

Adam

[AJ]

I never get any spam on my .mac account, but that could be because I have never publically put it online. But then again, I know Apple filters quite heavily: my forwarded uni email account was blocked due to ed.ac.uk being forged in the headers.

Junk mail filter in Entourage seems to catch all of my spam from different A/C's, but it'd be nice to see them implement some baysian (sp?) filters in a next release.

AJ