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bacchus · Mar 14, 2003, 08:24 PM

Build 6L11.

Doesnt' seem to be a major update thus far...

jessejlt · Mar 14, 2003, 08:33 PM

Any word on what they want to do with this build?
jesse ;-)

CharlesS · Mar 14, 2003, 09:16 PM

Do you actually have this build?

bacchus · Mar 14, 2003, 09:46 PM

Yah got it today...

JB72 · Mar 14, 2003, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by jessejlt:
Any word on what they want to do with this build?
jesse ;-)

iSub? Finder FTP? GeForce 4 Ti drivers revised? FireWire IP? Webcore stuff? Changes to support Java 1.4.1? I've had a few random, small oddities in 10.2.4 as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't something in the PB17" that's still needed in the OS. Maybe a workaround.

Terri · Mar 14, 2003, 10:00 PM

Is it snappier�

Sorry, couldn�t resist

fat mac moron · Mar 14, 2003, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by Terri:
Is it snappier�

Sorry, couldn�t resist

Damn you. You got my hopes up

iDriveX · Mar 15, 2003, 12:05 AM

What's New:

-PBRead Bug in Classic Fixed
- NSApplication, NSMenu:Keyboard shortcuts now work better
- Syncing window updates to VBL Fixed
-Insertion cursor now stops blinking when MLTE's kTXNReadMask is on
- Random texture corruption problem fixed
- Date Reset to December 31, 1969 bug fixed
- QuickDraw's handling of Pict files improved
- Darwin's IPSec implementation improved
- TCP and slowstart on local networks performance improved
- WebServices' boolean interpretation in xml -rpc method results now returns correct result
- WebServices Framework and integer serialization compatibility fixed.
- XML-RPC Client support fixed when XML-RPC server returns an empty item
- DNS agent works better now and when DNS server asks for TCP
- BlitFloat32ToSInt16 now returns correct result when a device has more than 2 channels
- Sound Manager now uses kAudioDevicePropertyIOProcStreamUsage property to determine which channels to use.
- Sound Manager now sets the kAudioDevicePropertyIOProcStreamUsage property.
- Windows 2000 Server file permission problem fixed.
- Carbon File System support for denyWrite and denyRead/denyWrite on AppleShare volumes.
-Snappiness is improved

The following systems have been updated unspecifically:

-Modem Line Testing
- Graphics (Games / OpenGL Applications)
- Bluetooth Devices Support
- Managed Client Environments
- Audio Devices Support
- XML/RPC Applications Support
- File Sharing to SMB and AFP Volumes

Known Issues:

- Sound is broken on PowerMac Dual 800 Mhz machines. Playing any sound will hang machine.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Mar 15, 2003, 12:10 AM

yippie.

::maroma:: · Mar 15, 2003, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
- Graphics (Games / OpenGL Applications)
- Bluetooth Devices Support

These sound promising. Maybe an improvement for Warcraft 3 with the OpenGL/Games update. And maybe more Bluetooth phones supported.

JB72 · Mar 15, 2003, 02:52 AM

Bluetooth Devices Support

Sweetness. Dare I dream of built-in BT input device support pre-Panther? P800? T610?

[APi]TheMan · Mar 15, 2003, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Known Issues:

- Sound is broken on PowerMac Dual 800 Mhz machines. Playing any sound will hang machine.

Um... ouch?

Gul Banana · Mar 15, 2003, 03:13 AM

Presumably this point update will solve all the world's problems

Producer · Mar 15, 2003, 04:19 AM

Add my hope for Sony P800 compatibility...

willed · Mar 15, 2003, 04:47 AM

Originally posted by Gul Banana:
Presumably this point update will solve all the world's problems

Splendid

MacGorilla · Mar 15, 2003, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by willed:
Splendid

But will it finally remove the debug code??

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Mar 15, 2003, 08:38 AM

Sounds like a whole lot of nothin'

We are going to have to wait till 10.3 for the good stuff.

daydreamer · Mar 15, 2003, 08:45 AM

I hope they release it soon. Epic, that is making Mac UT2003, said they are waiting for this update to release the mac UT2003 demo.

arekkusu · Mar 15, 2003, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
What's New:

...
- Syncing window updates to VBL Fixed
...

Well, IT'S ABOUT TIME.

I CAN'T WAIT for this update, trying to do anything with 10.2.3/10.2.4 is just instant headache.

biscool · Mar 15, 2003, 09:47 AM

What's New:

...
- Syncing window updates to VBL Fixed

It's too early in the morning here, can you tell me what that means?

thanks...

pat++ · Mar 15, 2003, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Gul Banana:
Presumably this point update will solve all the world's problems

And will introduce new ones like Apple is used to do now

ambush · Mar 15, 2003, 12:14 PM

I can't wait till they improve NSStatusItem.. *yawn*

bborofka · Mar 15, 2003, 02:41 PM

I wonder if this update fixes the stupid modem disconnects for internal "software" modems (eMac, iMac...).

Why Apple introduced a problem like this in 10.2.4 is beyond me.

McKenna · Mar 15, 2003, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by eVo:
Why Apple introduced a problem like this in 10.2.4 is beyond me.

It must have been done to annoy you.

Or...

It was the result of an agreement with the cable modem/DSL companies...

Or...

It was a boring Friday...

Or...

They wanted to give us whiners something to complain about...

:-)

--Tom

pat++ · Mar 15, 2003, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by eVo:
I wonder if this update fixes the stupid modem disconnects for internal "software" modems (eMac, iMac...).

Why Apple introduced a problem like this in 10.2.4 is beyond me.

It's simply because they wanted to have something to do for the 10.2.5 update

neoTony · Mar 15, 2003, 06:23 PM

Actually, Mark Rein (of Epic fame) mentioned something about sitting on UT2K3 until Apple released another OS update... *grin*

I'll place my bets on playing UT2K3 under 10.2.5

MindFad · Mar 15, 2003, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Known Issues:

- Sound is broken on PowerMac Dual 800 Mhz machines. Playing any sound will hang machine.

Now what the hell did my dual 800 do to deserve that? Like ... any sound? I don't understand. They plaan on releasing an update where we dual 800ers can't listen to anything?

Developer · Mar 15, 2003, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by MindFad:
Now what the hell did my dual 800 do to deserve that? Like ... any sound? I don't understand. They plaan on releasing an update where we dual 800ers can't listen to anything?

New need a petition. NOW!!!

Producer · Mar 15, 2003, 09:28 PM

Now I wonder what new Hardware will coincide with the release of 102.5

iDriveX · Mar 15, 2003, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by Producer:
Now I wonder what new Hardware will coincide with the release of 102.5

Probably the same new hardware that coincided with 10.2.3 and 10.2.2

hadocon · Mar 16, 2003, 09:06 AM

I want BT headset functionality!

Thain Esh Kelch · Mar 16, 2003, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Producer:
Now I wonder what new Hardware will coincide with the release of 102.5

Ultra Macintosh X-Grid v.12.000 Ghz or something.. In the year 2017!

Originally posted by McKenna:
It must have been done to annoy you.

Or...

It was the result of an agreement with the cable modem/DSL companies...

Or...

It was a boring Friday...

Or...

They wanted to give us whiners something to complain about...

:-)

--Tom

You just HAVE to make a poll!

OwlBoy · Mar 16, 2003, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by neoTony:
Actually, Mark Rein (of Epic fame) mentioned something about sitting on UT2K3 until Apple released another OS update... *grin*

I'll place my bets on playing UT2K3 under 10.2.5

He said that before 10.2.4 came out...

-Owl

alex_kac · Mar 16, 2003, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by pat++:
And will introduce new ones like Apple is used to do now

You do know that EVERY OS update brings new issues? Its unfortunately true. Even the 7.x.y, 8.x.y, and 9.x.y did. Its just that MOST weren't as bad as the date bug introduced in 10.2.4

In a few cases, the releases were SO bad, at Apple we told people NOT to install them. QUietly of course.

CharlesS · Mar 16, 2003, 06:25 PM

Could someone who has a copy try this? This is a bug which I was hoping would be fixed in 10.2.4, but it wasn't...

Type 'hdid' in the Terminal followed by a space and a URL to a DMG which is hosted on a virtual hosting web site. You can use one of mine to test, because my software is on virtual hosting:

hdid http://www.charlessoft.com/Pacifist.dmg

See if that works or if it returns a stupid "file not found" error like 10.2.0 through 10.2.4 do.

Liquidity X · Mar 16, 2003, 07:20 PM

hey I saw some one posted whats new above but he missed a few things I think.

Mail gets an update as well as all the blue tooth apps and key caps also.
I also see new modem scripts, and mail scripts.
and last i see updates to CFM, IOFWDVC (what ever that is) and soundmanger. Apple dile server, cachefix, classic startup, loginwindow, several menue extras, OBEX agent, a ton of new video drivers, no geforce 4 drivers i see, i know alot of pepes want those, but I do see a Geforce GA plugin what ever that is. hmmm what elese, all kinda of audio extensions and udated frame works, mainly all audio, video and disk frameowrks.
also see some new pref panes, such as accounts, bluetooth, internet, keyboard.

hope that give a small taste of whats in this one, and i hear if you do have the beta pleas ebe carefulc ause i guess it can cause some problems.

Amorph · Mar 16, 2003, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Liquidity X:

and last i see updates to CFM, IOFWDVC (what ever that is)

I/O FireWire Device would be my guess.

Eug · Mar 17, 2003, 09:35 AM

Wishes:

1) UDF 2.0 read support
2) Inherent support for Hitachi 32X CD-RW and Panasonic LF-D521U DVD-RAM/-RW/-R with Finder and iTunes. (OS X.2 already supports the Panasonic for DVD-RAM, and Toast supports both drives for everything.)
3) Support for DVD-R burned on Panasonic DMR series standalone DVD recorders
4) Better Radeon 9000 OpenGL drivers

I see mention of disk updates and OpenGL updates. Here's hoping that at least one of my concerns is addressed.

Vanquish · Mar 17, 2003, 11:08 AM

By Liquidity X:
Mail gets an update as well as all the blue tooth apps and key caps also.

Does anyone know when they will fix the sending of 2 files to PC's ? when I send a Word document to my PeeCee friends they always complain that they receive 2 files. And of course I use "a stupid mac".It has something to do with resource forks, doesn't it ?

Jerommeke · Mar 17, 2003, 11:50 AM

They'd better fix all the kernel panics with SMB. I had a kp today once again, and the damn jerk didn't make a panic.log.

Eug · Mar 17, 2003, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Jerommeke:
They'd better fix all the kernel panics with SMB. I had a kp today once again, and the damn jerk didn't make a panic.log.

Hmmm... I use SMB all the time to get files from my desktop (Windows XP Pro) and I haven't had an SMB related KP since something like X.1.3.

TiBook GHz SD.

JB72 · Mar 18, 2003, 01:43 PM

- BlitFloat32ToSInt16 now returns correct result when a device has more than 2 channels
- Sound Manager now uses kAudioDevicePropertyIOProcStreamUsage property to determine which channels to use.
- Sound Manager now sets the kAudioDevicePropertyIOProcStreamUsage property.

Evidence that we'll be seeing 5.1 before 10.3?

Phoenix1701 · Mar 18, 2003, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by biscool:
It's too early in the morning here, can you tell me what that [VBL] means? thanks...

Don't worry, I didn't know either. A little research turned the answer up, though. VBL stands for vertical blank. It refers to the delay between when a CRT monitor finishes one drawing pass on the monitor and when it starts the next pass.
Syncing to VBL basically means that software can check to see whether the monitor is currently drawing the screen, and if so it can wait until the VBL period to change the image on the screen. If the software is not synced to VBL, it's possible that it will occasionally change the image halfway through the monitor's updating sweep, which would basically result in the bottom half of the image being drawn in a different state than the top half. You've probably seen this behavior before in certain full-screen games; I know I have.
Anyway, since the "torn" image is only onscreen for one refresh (at most one sixtieth of a second) you almost certainly won't notice only one. The problem is that if the frame rate is just slightly off from the monitor's refresh rate, the torn frames will come in chunks, and will be very visible -- sort of like how a propeller blade spinning up briefly appears to be spinning very slowly, because it's going around just slightly more or less than once in the time between your eyes refresh the image in your brain.
Obviously, if Mac OS X 10.2.4 doesn't support syncing to VBL correctly, anything where the frame rate is very close to, but not exactly, some even multiple or factor of your refresh rate will look hideously bad. Since the average refresh rate is probably about 75 Hz, and the average Quake 3 frame rate on a good day can easily get up to about 80, this is definitely something that should be fixed soon.

And now you know what VBL is. Aren't forums cool?

absmiths · Mar 18, 2003, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Liquidity X:
Apple dile server, cachefix, classic startup, ...

What in the WORLD is Apple dile server?

CharlesS · Mar 18, 2003, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by absmiths:
What in the WORLD is Apple dile server?

I think he meant Apple File Server...