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crystalthunder · Mar 29, 2003, 05:42 PM

Does anyone know what to expect in the newest version of Server edition? I mean obviously more integration with xServe, but what new features, apps, etc? I thought 10.2 Server was a major leap from 10.1, and I'm hoping to see that happen again.

Here's what I want to see:

*Full BIND9 DNS support, complete with a separate DNS management application

*Better MySQL support, complete with a separate Database editing application

*Full Sendmail support (compiled with SMTP Authorization), replacing AppleMail server application

*Custom "Mac OS X" skin for SquirrelMail

*Apache 2.0 Support

*Remote Desktop that actually works over the Internet, similar to VNC performance

I guess all I want is alot more depth in the Web Server part of OS X, where (in my opinion) they seem to be lacking. Of course 10.2 is leaps and bounds better than 10.1 in that department, but if Apple really is touting its embrace of open source, they better fix their ass and make things work better.

(This is all coming from someone who switched to Redhat 8 after too many web server woes under OS X 10.2 Server.)

If Panther does anything I request, you'll be damn certain I'll switch back.

Yoda's Erotic Piggyback · Mar 29, 2003, 07:19 PM

Well nobody knows what is in 10.3 so I don't think anyone will know what is in 10.3 server.

crystalthunder · Mar 29, 2003, 07:34 PM

Good point ^_^x

Well what does everyone else want in Panther Server?

tikki · Mar 29, 2003, 09:48 PM

I want it to cook my dinner.

waffffffle · Mar 29, 2003, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by tikki:
I want it to cook my dinner.

You forgot about SERVING it to you afterwards.

Ok that was a terrible joke.

tikki · Mar 29, 2003, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by waffffffle:
You forgot about SERVING it to you afterwards.

Ok that was a terrible joke.

yes it was, but i will forgive you

Deal · Mar 29, 2003, 11:19 PM

As long as it serves it up FAST!!!

I am expecting (ok, hoping) that Apple's X-windowing system is fully implemented in OS X. I think this will be the biggest feature in OS X.3

It's too bad it will be so good it will totally kill X-Darwin.

Cipher13 · Mar 30, 2003, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by crystalthunder:
Does anyone know what to expect in the newest version of Server edition? I mean obviously more integration with xServe, but what new features, apps, etc? I thought 10.2 Server was a major leap from 10.1, and I'm hoping to see that happen again.

Here's what I want to see:

*Full BIND9 DNS support, complete with a separate DNS management application

*Better MySQL support, complete with a separate Database editing application

*Full Sendmail support (compiled with SMTP Authorization), replacing AppleMail server application

*Custom "Mac OS X" skin for SquirrelMail

*Apache 2.0 Support

*Remote Desktop that actually works over the Internet, similar to VNC performance

I guess all I want is alot more depth in the Web Server part of OS X, where (in my opinion) they seem to be lacking. Of course 10.2 is leaps and bounds better than 10.1 in that department, but if Apple really is touting its embrace of open source, they better fix their ass and make things work better.

(This is all coming from someone who switched to Redhat 8 after too many web server woes under OS X 10.2 Server.)

If Panther does anything I request, you'll be damn certain I'll switch back.

Remote admin that's on par with Timbuktu (which is superb), better BIND/DNS (PLEASE), um... I dunno what else right now.

Jellytussle · Mar 30, 2003, 05:38 AM

Well, gotta go with killing Apple Mail Server, it's terrible. However, Sendmail alone is no replacement, where's your POP & IMAP support? I run exim+uw, but it's a fiddle to get all the security going they way i want it.

There's a new version of ARD around the corner (check the next webcast on www.macosxlabs.org), but I really want 10.3 to bring true Quartz terminal services.

Together with the mythical 'next gen' filesystem we're all waiting for, some improved ACLs permissions system might be useful for some.

A beefed-up, more reliable, replicable Password Server is a must. It is just too flakey to trust currently.

Everyone seems to have difficulty with DNS config, but i don't really see the problem. For almost all of Apple's target markets, DNS config is pretty much a fire-and-forget thing, so maybe a setup wizard is all that's needed. I find myself editing the text files on W2K servers anyway, since there's an example of a GUI making things harder. On the subject of DNS, It should be more obvious in the docs or in the Config Assistant that X server NEEDS A and PTR records, somewhere, to work satisfactorily.

A VPN service seems like a given. If you poke around the current server StartupItems, they have a PPTP server setup all ready to go, but it's been left off, and out of the docs. I hope this means they're going for a more forward-looking IPSEC solution.

I'd like to know what your woes were, crystalthunder. The main problem most people have with X Server for web hosting is the clunky Virtual Hosts GUI management.

crystalthunder · Mar 31, 2003, 07:38 PM

Well I was just kindof enraged at 3 key things, DNS, email, and webserver. (annoyance in that order) It's basically hopless to get DNS to work well on Jag Server, and the documentation is really sparse on the topic. I was quite saddened to see that the included SendMail was not compild with SMTP authorization, and that AppleMail service blows ass. It took me a few days and webmin to realize that the default sendmail configuration did not allow transfer -_- On the webserver, it wasn't too bad, but as you said the virtual hosting wasn't too great. I had a much better experience on Jag Server than I did on 10.1, but I wasn't satisfied enough to thwart my usage of Linux.

Brass · Mar 31, 2003, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by Deal:
I am expecting (ok, hoping) that Apple's X-windowing system is fully implemented in OS X. I think this will be the biggest feature in OS X.3

Let's hope so. Have you ever compared the startup times of Apple's Terminal app, and the xterm app that comes with Apple's (or any) X11? What did they do to Terminal to make it so dog slow???

If X11 is already running, there's no way I'd both using Terminal, when I can use xterm!

nickm · Mar 31, 2003, 11:32 PM

If X11 is already running, there's no way I'd both using Terminal, when I can use xterm!

I'll never use xterm on OS X. Drag and drop, copy and paste, services, "run documents", attractive fonts, actually being able to change the fonts and colors painlessly, split pane operation, the list goes on and on. Terminal rules! Death to xterm!

crystalthunder · Mar 31, 2003, 11:49 PM

xTerm may be speedy, but nickm does have a good point. Terminal.app is pretty feature rich