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LightWaver-67 · Apr 4, 2003, 03:33 PM

Yeah... I know... shame on me for buying into the rumor mill... but is there any corroberration (sp?) to this...?

Anyone know what they're referring to...? Again... it may be just a 'load-o-crap' or mis-information... but I always get 'giddy' when it comes to new surprises in the OS.

EDIT: spelling stuff

Fallout · Apr 4, 2003, 05:35 PM

Damn..I can't wait for the betas!!

cpac · Apr 4, 2003, 06:21 PM

well if you combine Loop Rumors with the Naked Mole Rat's predictions and some of the other things buzzing around you get:

(1) Lots of one-click buying (here I think it's the iTunes song stuff + maybe some deal through Sherlock with Amazon or somebody)

(2) Better peripheral support (it's been constantly improving so this isn't really a surprise)

(3) Addition of "piles" concept as well as wacky minimizing/resizing windows to interface

(4) 64 bit support

(5) BeOS style "the finder is the database" type stuff

(6) general speed boosts, etc.

(7) New/final applications: Safari 1.0, iChat 2.0, X11 1.0, etc.

kman42 · Apr 4, 2003, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by cpac:
well if you combine Loop Rumors with the Naked Mole Rat's predictions and some of the other things buzzing around you get:

(1) Lots of one-click buying (here I think it's the iTunes song stuff + maybe some deal through Sherlock with Amazon or somebody)

(2) Better peripheral support (it's been constantly improving so this isn't really a surprise)

(3) Addition of "piles" concept as well as wacky minimizing/resizing windows to interface

(4) 64 bit support

(5) BeOS style "the finder is the database" type stuff

(6) general speed boosts, etc.

(7) New/final applications: Safari 1.0, iChat 2.0, X11 1.0, etc.

[beavis] Hehe Hehe. He said piles. [/beavis]

But seriously, what do you mean by "piles"?

kman

ShotgunEd · Apr 4, 2003, 07:22 PM

I heard some rumours (i forget where) that apple are experimenting with virtual dekstops. That'd rock. I'd say they'd implement it in a really neat way.

Millennium · Apr 4, 2003, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by kman42:
[beavis] Hehe Hehe. He said piles. [/beavis]

But seriously, what do you mean by "piles"?

The concept if a "pile" is basically a way of grouping files together by some means other than a folder, never mind that it exhibits basically all the properties of a folder. The idea is that it would show up as a stack of its contents' icons, and you could move the icons as a group but somehow "pull" individual icons out also, all with drag and drop.

An interesting concept, but even Tog and his apostles have never exactly figured out how to make it workable in reality. There's probably a reason for that.

philzilla · Apr 4, 2003, 08:20 PM

if it was "unlike anything else" it wouldn't just be a .1 upgrade, duh

ps: happy birthday for saturday, Millennium

Guy Incognito 2 · Apr 4, 2003, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
The concept if a "pile" is basically a way of grouping files together by some means other than a folder, never mind that it exhibits basically all the properties of a folder. The idea is that it would show up as a stack of its contents' icons, and you could move the icons as a group but somehow "pull" individual icons out also, all with drag and drop.

An interesting concept, but even Tog and his apostles have never exactly figured out how to make it workable in reality. There's probably a reason for that.

Except, in this case, 'pile' is refering to a new and much needed window management system...not an icon management system.

LightWaver-67 · Apr 4, 2003, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by philzilla:
if it was "unlike anything else" it wouldn't just be a .1 upgrade, duh

ps: happy birthday for saturday, Millennium

Well... let's clarify that... has it been CONFIRMED that this is a 'point release' for sure...? I know Apple refers to it as Panther... but has Apple referred to it as 10.3 at all...?

Also... regarding the stuff mentioned above... that's all good & everything... but virtual desktops and enhanced peripheral support and such are a far cry from "Unlike anything Else"... dontcha think...?

Maybe I'm looking too-far into it... but it's either someone exadgerrating (sp?) what they think they know, and it's really not gonna be that big-a-deal... or there's gonna be some REALLY nifty stuff that hasn't been leaked yet or some sort of paradigm shift in how to 'use' the OS or somethin'...

I dunno... I just know that I'm an impatient person and I'm just DYING to know.

"DAMN YOU Apple... Damn you to he**...!!"

nobitacu · Apr 4, 2003, 09:58 PM

Hmmm... intresting....

Ming

CharlesS · Apr 5, 2003, 12:35 AM

Mac OS X is already unlike anything else.

Not that I'm not looking forward to Panther just like all the rest of you.

Socially Awkward Solo · Apr 5, 2003, 03:17 AM

Loop rumors = Meh

MasterBeta · Apr 5, 2003, 11:32 AM

Piles give me hemmoroids... I just don't think they are a good idea.

Labels are more gooder.

Grrr · Apr 5, 2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Loop rumors = Meh

What the hell is Meh?

Anyway.. I cant believe anyone still go for any of that crap posted by Looprumors.. www.ratemypoo.com is more likely to post some truthful gossip about future Apple stuff than Looprumors..

cpac · Apr 5, 2003, 12:03 PM

The piles and window thing came from the Naked Mole Rat, not Loop Rumors...

Right now, these mammalian morsels are homing in like tiny, lederhosen-clad bloodhounds on the spoor of Panther, Apple�s forthcoming revision to its queerly lickable operating system. The first pink, quivering gobbet of GUI intelligence in their jaws: Mac OS X 10.3 will finally see the implementation of the �piles� interface concept patented by Apple back in the dear, dead days of Copland but never delivered to the desktop. The feature, which has been lobbied for by Bruce Tognazzini and other interface curmudgeons, is designed to ease the clutter of windows in the Finder: The Blade�s sources indicate that extraneous windows will shrink and jump out of the way automatically, rearranging themselves into scaled-down tiles in response to the user�s movements.)

So yes, it's not an icon thing, it's a window thing.

Socially Awkward Solo · Apr 5, 2003, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by Grrr:
What the hell is Meh?

Uninteresting

ReggieX · Apr 5, 2003, 12:26 PM

All I want is Minimize in Place like X-11 has. It's sweet.

nforcer · Apr 5, 2003, 12:31 PM

The problem is that most of these rumors are so generic and unspecific. None of the sources are ever revealed, and none of the sources are given a psuedoname or reliability rankings. They could be anyone with any motive. "Unlike anything else". I could have told you that one

Developer · Apr 5, 2003, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by nforcer:
"Unlike anything else". I could have told you that one

My secret source says it's "somewhat like Jaguar".

ReggieX · Apr 5, 2003, 01:25 PM

Wait.

Not just MiP, I also want Labels and the ability to turn OFF all the stupid shadows and GUI FX.
Cursor shadows are the height of stupidity.
Oh, and give us some damn window borders, willya?

:XI: · Apr 5, 2003, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by ReggieX:
Wait.

Not just MiP, I also want Labels and the ability to turn OFF all the stupid shadows and GUI FX.

They bother you that much? can't say I notice them anymore unless I use any computer that isn't running OS X then I notice�

Cursor shadows are the height of stupidity.

why?

Oh, and give us some damn window borders, willya?

I'll drink to that. If you've got a high res monitor it really gets to be a pain in the arse moving the mouse back to the top of the screen just to move a few windows around.

Terri · Apr 5, 2003, 02:33 PM

I personally like the drop shadows.

I agree Labels should be part of the OS like they have been since System 7 and not some bolt on extra like they are now.

Borders or someway of moving windows besides the title bar is a must. I thought that they had leaned this when they gave them to use in System 8.

hayesk · Apr 5, 2003, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Terri:
I personally like the drop shadows.

I agree Labels should be part of the OS like they have been since System 7 and not some bolt on extra like they are now.

Borders or someway of moving windows besides the title bar is a must. I thought that they had leaned this when they gave them to use in System 8.

System 6 had labels, you just couldn't do anything with them. All they did was shade your icons.

iJed · Apr 5, 2003, 04:36 PM

I would also like to be able to disable the UI effects. This includes drop shadows, menu blinking (which is evil), transparent menus, window minimizing effects, folder opening effects and font antialiasing. Also reducing the absurdly large menu font size would be very nice. They could also add a customizable menu to the top right of the screen as a menu extra or make the Apple menu work more like it use to.

Developer · Apr 5, 2003, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by iJed:
menu blinking (which is evil)

Why is that evil? How would you know which men you selected without blinking?

LightWaver-67 · Apr 5, 2003, 04:53 PM

awww heck... let's just diable the entire GUI and do everything through a CLI.

j/k

I'm one of the few(?) who is actually driven by the eye-candy. I love all the shadows, transparency, glass-like, pulsing, throbbing, dissolving, shrinking elements of Aqua. I use my computer ALL DAY LONG and although speed and responsiveness is important to me... so is the overall 'feeling' of the UI.

I 'dig' that stuff... but having said that... I can see the benefit of the option to disable such things for those who aren't as 'easily amused' like myself.

iJed · 05:19 PM

Originally posted by Developer:
Why is that evil? How would you know which men you selected without blinking?

Menu blinking would be OK if it actually worked properly. However, in its current state, it is one of the things that makes Mac OS X perceptively slow. The reason for this is that a menu has to stop blinking before it starts executing its command which simply makes the UI feel far slower than it really is. Apple could fix this by making the command execute while the menu blinks. This would certainly not be a difficult thing to do.

MrBS · Apr 5, 2003, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Grrr:
[B]What the hell is Meh?

He said meh. M-E-H. meh.

~BS

spcargt · Apr 5, 2003, 06:21 PM

Personally, I like the broderless windows. Borders, IMO, take up valuable screen space. Why can't they give us a system-wide key command do move the windows? Say, for the sake of this example, that Command+Shift and clicking anywhere on the window would allow you to move that window (whether it was in focus or not). If the window weren't in focus, it'd come to the front so you can move it then snap back to where it was in the "focus order".

That's something i'd like to see..

Superchicken · Apr 5, 2003, 10:34 PM

I hear panther will come bundled in a real panther! You'll have to pay your 130 dollars for a chance to grapple with a real panther, the CD will be in it's mouth and you have to try and get it unscathed! Now that's something un like anything else!

Cipher13 · Apr 5, 2003, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by ReggieX:
Wait.

Not just MiP, I also want Labels and the ability to turn OFF all the stupid shadows and GUI FX.
Cursor shadows are the height of stupidity.
Oh, and give us some damn window borders, willya?

Absolutely.

Cipher13 · Apr 5, 2003, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by Developer:
Why is that evil? How would you know which men you selected without blinking?

It's horrible.

Try running OS9 without blinking, it just *feels* faster. Actually, on OS9, it *is* faster because the action is executed immediately. Less noticeable in OSX, but it still feels slow, especially when you're used to not having to wait for the the damn menu to disappear.

Fading menus accentuate this problem.

I hate menu blinking with a passion, along with all the stupid fading, shadowed crap, etc.

funkboy · Apr 6, 2003, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by iJed:
Menu blinking would be OK if it actually worked properly. However, in its current state, it is one of the things that makes Mac OS X perceptively slow. The reason for this is that a menu has to stop blinking before it starts executing its command which simply makes the UI feel far slower than it really is. Apple could fix this by making the command execute while the menu blinks. This would certainly not be a difficult thing to do.

You, sir, know what you're talking about. Submit this to Apple as OS X feedback... I hope they put this in the next version!

Socially Awkward Solo · Apr 6, 2003, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by funkboy:
You, sir, know what you're talking about. Submit this to Apple as OS X feedback... I hope they put this in the next version!

Ya I bet that is on the top of everyones wishlist. I know I would pay $129 just for that!

iJed · Apr 6, 2003, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by funkboy:
You, sir, know what you're talking about. Submit this to Apple as OS X feedback... I hope they put this in the next version!

Thanks. I guess I did learn something in my human computer interaction class back in 1st year uni after all.

Anyway, I submitted this to Apple some time ago but I'll do it again.

Please, everyone who agrees with this, fill this in in the OS X feedback form. Mac OS X needs all the help it can get to "appear" faster.

CubeWannaB · Apr 6, 2003, 01:01 PM

Ok I'll tell you the rumor *I* heard. Like all too-good-to-be-true rumors... it probably is. And I'm not going to claim I have any proof besides my source, although my source is in a position to possibly know these things.

Jaguar will be able to run Windows apps.

voodoo · Apr 6, 2003, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by CubeWannaB:
Jaguar will be able to run Windows apps.

Jeez.

Spheric Harlot · Apr 6, 2003, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by CubeWannaB:
Ok I'll tell you the rumor *I* heard. Like all too-good-to-be-true rumors... it probably is. And I'm not going to claim I have any proof besides my source, although my source is in a position to possibly know these things.

Jaguar will be able to run Windows apps.

Yes, Jaguar does. With Virtual PC.

Fun fact: This thread is actually about Panther, not Jaguar.

-s*

ambush · Apr 6, 2003, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Yes, Jaguar does. With Virtual PC.
-s*

No. Jaguar does not run x86. God.

And VPC is so terrible.

voodoo · Apr 6, 2003, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by ambush:
No. Jaguar does not run x86. God.

And VPC is so terrible.

What is with everybody today? Why can't people read simple sentances correctly?

JAGUAR RUNS X86 WITH VIRTUAL PC.

Terribly or not.

gator · Apr 6, 2003, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
I hear panther will come bundled in a real panther! You'll have to pay your 130 dollars for a chance to grapple with a real panther, the CD will be in it's mouth and you have to try and get it unscathed! Now that's something un like anything else!

If that's the case, I have a feeling that the adoption rate for Panther will be a bit low

cpac · Apr 6, 2003, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by CubeWannaB:
Jaguar will be able to run Windows apps.

And panther will continue to be able to do so - with VPC (now from Microsoft).

There are so many reasons that the Mac OS will never run windows apps natively that it's not worth going into...