[Vi0]

So, you don't like something or things about Mac OS X, what is it (be specific)?


I don't like how sloooww Mac OS X makes Photoshop 7 run (and I got enough RAM) compared to Mac OS 9.2.2.

[Colonel_Panic]

That does not have too much to do with OS X. You could try renicing photoshop when you run it if you think X is the problem.

My main gripe with OS X is the lack of built in ability for themes. O_o and the networking just sucks. Its slow and needs help. I believe that to be a finder issue though.

Multithreading Apple. Come on get with it.

[Fallout]

All my problems are with the GUI..it's slow, the effects are annoying, and you can't customize anything without 3rd party hacks. Get off our asses Apple, let us customize the appearance of the OS that cost us $130. I *hate* how the left side of every goddamn window doesn't have a border, just the shadow. I hate shadows, and if you have a dark wallpaper it's invisible.

[I'mDaMac]

I hate the fact that there is no way to sort by date modified in the open/save dialog boxes. At times I work with files with similar file names, ie. "thisfile_001," "thisfile_002," etc. It sucks having to scroll and browse for the last file I modified in an open dialog box.

Before you apologists tell me I can do it via double clicking the file in an open file window, I know, but since this simple functionality was in the obsolete OS 9 it would make sense that it would be in Apple's "latest & greatest." It's also more efficient for me to use the apps open command that having to go into the finder when I shouldn't have to.

...and, yes, I have submitted this to Apple as feedback since 10.0.

[stew]

The whole UI. As someone who started with OS 9 and OS X at the same time (got my first Mac in 10/01 with 9.2 and X.1 preloaded), I found the OS 9 UI not only faster but also more space-saving, comfortable and prettier. Give me the wolf in sheep's clothing, a Darwin with Cocoa that looks and acts like OS 9.

[blackbird_1.0]

damn...Finder...must close window...too slow...arghhh....the pain...

[booboo]

I started with the Mac just as System 7 was released. I saw the System go (Windows) Platinum and bloat. I honestly believe the OS X UI is closer to the original Spirit Of The Mac, although it took some time to realise this. Window re-sizing is a bit slow, but the general UI responsiveness is OK for me on a Dual 533/Radeon (2+ years old)

OS X niggles.

1. Maximise button in Cocoa app's works differently from Carbon (windows jump to the top of the screen and won't allow you to move them down until you click maximise again...)

2. I want Spring-loaded folders in the Dock.

3. I want Labels back as a part of the OS (looks like they will return...)

4. Better contextual menus. Perhaps even a Font menu in there.

5. Some app's still not supporting Drag & Drop text copying.

6. I can't get rid of the damn US flag (risks flaming) - even though US is not selected in Input Menu. Selecting and then deselecting it gets rid of it until the next Log out. This bug was introduced in 10.2.4

7. I have my Volumes folder in the Dock, but I think this really should be a System option. It's dumb to have everything you want in the Dock, even HD's, but have to go to a Window menu to click on the computer icon.

8. I'd like the option to stop app's and the Finder making a new window, if one isn't already open, when I select the app.

[eevyl]

Originally posted by Vi0:
I don't like how sloooww Mac OS X makes Photoshop 7 run (and I got enough RAM) compared to Mac OS 9.2.2.

Mac OS X do not make Photoshop slow, it is the crappy implementation of Photoshop in Mac OS X what makes it slow.

Adobe is to flame, not Apple.

My two euro cents.

[Peter]

I want it to be faster, and have GUI sounds.
I'd happily pay £150 for that

[Jerommeke]

Faster should be good indeed, but what is really is terrible to me is the fact how the Apple menu is organised without FruitMenu

[mitchell_pgh]

Congratulations... this has to be the youngest (lowest amount of posts per person) thread ever!!!

OK, back on topic,

Although I consider 10.2 to be very complete and well rounded, there are some rather annoying nuances.

(Some of these shouldn't be in the OS category, but I think they should have been ironed out by now.)

- Quicktime
It still feels like a crap OS 9 (or more to the point OS 8) port. It should contain the codec to watch DivX movies and should be considerably more responsive.

- Finder
The OS 10.2 finder can be DOG SLOW at times. When connecting to another mac over AFP, you almost always lock the finder for a few seconds. Also, window resizing is still lagging behind.

- Appearance
I think it's VERY important that Apple have a standard look and feel, but if it isn't going to take them away from more important things, couldn't they make the OS more visually customizable??? I think the 3rd parties are doing a great job, but it shouldn't be that hard. Also, some of us would prefer to have the drop shadow and extras be gone (especially on an old G3)

- iApps
Now that Panther is on the way, we don't seem to hear anything about new iApp updates. Where is rendezvous enabled iTunes? Where is Keynote 1.1 (update)? Where is the iCal update... I'm not talking about major updates, but a bump or two would be nice (Thanks for the Apple Remote Desktop Bump!!!)

I still think OS X is very complete... Photoshop was slow for me as well, but after turning off something (some watermark recognition thing enabled by Adobe) things were much more zippy.

I still love 10.2, but I can't wait to see what Panther has to offer!
-

[Jerommeke]

Oh wait, I have forgot something.

The pain with all the continous kernel panics when using SMB Networking. Pleeeeease!

[ngrundy]

On the Technical / Software side

Network mounts that take for ever to time out and thus locking Finder up for 5 mins. Also SMB causing KP's isn't nice

On the End User side

People who bitch about 130 bucks being too much to pay for a new version of the OS. Apple should make a patch for iBitchAboutCheepShit a high priority.

a small price table below in AUD

Mac OSX v10.2 Jaguar Retail Box $229
Windows XP v5.1 Home Retail Box $405
Windows XP v5.1 Home Upgrade Box $230
Windows XP v5.1 Pro Retail Box $599
Windows XP v5.1 Pro Upgrade Box $450

Windows 2k v5.0 Pro Retail Box $685
Windows 2k v5.0 Pro 98->2k Upgrade $447
Windows 2k v5.0 Pro NT4->2k Upgrade $314

Prices taken from www.ht.com.au as of Sun 6th April & 11:16pm AEST.

Note that Windows 2000 is v5.0, XP is v5.1 / Jag is v10.2, Panther will be 10.3 yet a version of XP costs 3 times as much.... Oh yeah and remember Home edition won't run on dual cpu systems!

OSX - Cheep at twise the price!

Ok, so thats that, Finder needs a overhaul, Users need an overhaul.

[Jerommeke]

Ok, bugs can occur, but the fact that pisses me the most about this kernel panic thing is that I have sent in over 10 kernel panic logs with detailed description to Apple Feedback, in different system software versions, and they still haven't slighty improved it a bit.

[hayesk]

Originally posted by Jerommeke:
Ok, bugs can occur, but the fact that pisses me the most about this kernel panic thing is that I have sent in over 10 kernel panic logs with detailed description to Apple Feedback, in different system software versions, and they still haven't slighty improved it a bit.

So what was causing the kernel panic? What were you doing? The only kernel panics I've ever recevied was with an eject key kernel extension (third party). Could it be a third party driver causing your problem? There's not much Apple can do about that.

Although I think whenever you submit a bug to apple, they should alert you when it is fixed, or if it can't, why it can't.

[booboo]

Oh I forgot about how much I dislike 'brushed metal' but, assuming it is here to stay, and even proliferating, couldn't we have a global preference thing, i.e. all metal on or all Aqua?

Not that i like the stripes much either...;-)

[ReggieX]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
- Quicktime
It should contain the codec to watch DivX movies and should be considerably more responsive.

Why? It's a 3rd party product, and has nothing to do with Apple. No OS has it built-in, why should QuickTime? If you want it, download it, or better yet just use VLC since most of those AVI's have MP3 soundtracks that QuickTime can't play anyway.

Finder: in list view, creating a new folder doesn't keep the folder name highlighted like it did in every version of the MacOS until Jaguar came along. How the hell did this get by QA?!

Also: in list view, moving files things to folders can cause other folders to suddenly change their modifed date. That's a bug of the highest order.

[macmike42]

Window resizing. It's broken. Fix it.

Other than that, I'm a pretty happy customer. Real theming would be nice, but SmoothStripes is just so pretty.

[yukon]

the finder is the biggest gripe, I believe it's what makes the UI seem slow. i don't care about cocoa/carbon, but rewriting it with anything would be a benefit. it's the center of user interaction, it should be blazing fast.

themes, yeah. they are pretty broken right now, and an official thing from apple would be important.

quicktime, yeah. it's annoying. it fills my logs with it's stupid "CGSEndContext is obsolete" messages and it's delays.

the applemenu needs to be customizable. we wanted it, so apple gave us a useless one - just as bad as the old one is in UI design, but now it has no function that the other menus couldn't do. a "start" like menu, like the way i had an alias to my HD in OS9 - I miss that, it was fast navigation.

i'm not much of a gamer, but PCs currently blow macs away. i just read the benchmarks for the 9700 Pro, and with that awesome power, we're still behind the PC by a couple hundred FPS in older games, and just barely playable with new games (on new dual 1ghz hardware).

there's no uninstaller for stuff that uses unix. there's no uninstaller for things that use the apple installer. that needs to be fixed with something other than "reinstall".

we need more apple usage of unix, with tools that bring unix to the "experianced" (not expert) user, with Apple's great GUI. i guess i'm asking for a front end, but something to bridge the gap between "GUI MacOS" and "Unix in the Terminal.app".

yeah, we need a new disk format. fast/multithreaded like BFS, doesn't fragment, real journaling (an option for data journaling as well), and open like other formats (for peer review). I don't trust this latest journaling "hack on top of HFS" much, I seem to trust ReiserFS more (despite the issue a year ago)

a method to change file creator and type codes (as a feature). and, the autorenaming of files when dropping long filenames onto older OS media (not sure about if it was HFS or HFS+ that gave errors).

faster disk copying/deleting, it was faster than OS 9 in 10.1, but i found it to take a nose dive after that, at least looks like it in the finder (all that matters).

fix the damn "Open With" contextual menu, it's a great idea (i used a program in OS 9 for it), but it slows down access to other options when you mouseover.

a systemwide autoreporter for crashes of apple applications, and the ability for third party apps to use that functionality. I don't know if my "feedback" reaches anyone, let alone an engineer, and other apps need to make their own reporter (i've seen OmniWeb and Mozilla apps do it, thats all).

anything else?

[OreoCookie]

Finder. I don't care if Carbon or Cocoa, but a stable, working Finder without this invention called spinning wheel that shows my computer is not fast enough!

Overall stability. My most stable OS X was 10.1.4, no kidding. A malicious driver can crash the whole system ... (USB-ISDN modem in my case).

[DBvader]

"ac OS X do not make Photoshop slow, it is the crappy implementation of Photoshop in Mac OS X what makes it slow.

Adobe is to flame, not Apple.

My two euro cents."

im not sure, photoshop seems to love both my processors, and takes full advantage of them...the program is less responsive than photoshop on the PC...not sure why

[Anand]

1. The network Icon that does nothing. In fact, the network performance is very poor.

2. The poor out-of-box capabilities in a mixed PC/Mac enviroment. Apple should provide full samba support in all their OS. They should also pony up and install a Sharity like program on their next OS.

3. In column view set your fonts to 16 point. Now, try to click the items at the bottom of the list. Won't open? Yes, I know. Again, set fonts to 16 points, and use spring loaded folders to open a folder. Scroll down, wont go to the bottom? Yes, I know.

4. Add 100 files to your desktop. I know that this does not happen often but they should not just all pile up on each other. That is just plain Windows like.

5. The slow boot up time. I know, you don't have to boot up that often but it is slow - painfully on a laptop.

Can't think of much else. Still the best OS out there. OS 9 is not even in the same league.

[ApeInTheShell]

I had a nightmare that Mac OS X got the Add/Remove menu of Windows XP.

Shadows seem useful because i can tell the finder is not a part of the current window in a glance.

Themes?
Windows has a couple theme options built in, sort of like the appearance manager in os 9.
The other offers are either ludicrious in price or don't work without other shareware utilities.
It would be helpful for theme developers if Apple had it built in but will all apps by default be automatically changed? i have doubts.

iApps

iCal 1.0.2 came out
iMovie 3 and iDVD 3

I don't have that much against my system
but here are my gripes:

1. Image Capture quits after one scan
2. I wish the DVD player controls could be accessed from the menu bar.
3. Quicktime - needs more brick
4. There is too much gray in the stripes rather than white, it gives it a shaggy dog appearance.
5. clean my clothes....heh

welp that does it.

[drmcnutt]

Originally posted by eevyl:
Mac OS X do not make Photoshop slow, it is the crappy implementation of Photoshop in Mac OS X what makes it slow.

Adobe is to flame, not Apple.

My two euro cents.

Right, Adobe sent Photoshop 7 out so it works well in OS9 (and Windows) and bad in OSX on purpose. Methinks the overall sluggishness of most apps (unless Apple created) is something Apple should work on instead of laying blame to all the many different software companies. I mean they can only keep up with the OSX revisions so fast (10.0 no 10.1, no 10.2, 10.3 yikes)But maybe it's a conspiracy on their part to make Apple go back to OS9. NOT!

DRM

[Hozie]

I just want one thing: when I select a mounted volume and a file at the same time, I want a single contextual menu item that allows me to delete the one and unmount the other. In one click. Or, I want cmd-Del to do the same. It's just sooo stupid to have to drag both to the trash...

[BZ]

Please make sure to drop your comments off at the OSX feedback page. It is important to make sure we tell Apple what we want and not just the other 100 people in this forum who want the same thing.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/

BZ

[Axel]

Originally posted by booboo:
6. I can't get rid of the damn US flag (risks flaming) - even though US is not selected in Input Menu. Selecting and then deselecting it gets rid of it until the next Log out. This bug was introduced in 10.2.4

That used to happen to me too (even before 10.2.4 if I remember well). It seems that using a third-party desktop picture causes that bug: switching from the one I had created in Photoshop to a built-in one solved the problem.

[Thain Esh Kelch]

Originally posted by yukon:
the finder is the biggest gripe, I believe it's what makes the UI seem slow.

Its also the thing we interact with the most in OSX..

Originally posted by Anand:
1. The network Icon that does nothing. In fact, the network performance is very poor.

I agree! Networking is my main complain, since its slow, the 'connect too...' dialog just plain out sucks and is totally bug-ridden!

Secondly, window resizing.

Thirdly, the save/open dialog needs some work.. It is as if Apple never really got to fix this one properly, even in OS9! But maybe thats just me.. I just think that it could be a lot more user-friendly..

OpenGL speed seems very slow.. Compared to OS9. Just take Warcraft as an example, thats just painfully slow in OSX compared to OS9, and I dont blame BLizzard for everything...!

And except for that, Im quite happy..

[Jerommeke]

Originally posted by hayesk:
So what was causing the kernel panic? What were you doing? The only kernel panics I've ever recevied was with an eject key kernel extension (third party). Could it be a third party driver causing your problem? There's not much Apple can do about that.

Although I think whenever you submit a bug to apple, they should alert you when it is fixed, or if it can't, why it can't.

Yes indeed. I am almost 99% sure about this, because I had no kernel panics, and the only thing I've changed in my config is going onto a university connection where I use SMB shares.

And about the time of problem. Sometimes it connects fine, to all hosts, but at random hosts it sometimes 'connects' but it takes fairly long. After a long long time I cancel it, and on the next connection attempt, it gives a KP.

I have firewall, softwareside, but it had this behaviour before I had this thing installed.

[hayesk]

Originally posted by BZ:
Please make sure to drop your comments off at the OSX feedback page. It is important to make sure we tell Apple what we want and not just the other 100 people in this forum who want the same thing.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/

Agreed. Although many people don't know what constructive criticism is. Too many people believe it's just polite criticism.

Any feedback to Apple should contain:

For bug fixes:

1. What you were doing when the bug occurred.
2. What you installed, added, etc. recently.
3. Your hardware/software setup.

(working in tech support, I used to get a lot of emails that just said "I got this error. Fix it.")

For feature requests:
1. What you don't like about it.
2. How it should work instead.
- and most importantly
3. Why you think it should work the way you want it to.

[K++]

Originally posted by booboo:
1. Maximise button in Cocoa app's works differently from Carbon (windows jump to the top of the screen and won't allow you to move them down until you click maximise again...)

I've never seen this

2. I want Spring-loaded folders in the Dock.

Ditto

[b]3. I want Labels back as a part of the OS (looks like they will return...)[b]

This is bloat, in 9 I never used them and I have yet to miss em. I just don't see any value in them.

4. Better contextual menus. Perhaps even a Font menu in there.

Contextual menus be damned, The mac comes with one mouse buttonf for a reason. Contesxtual menus are not the holy grail of computing, not every option possible should be in there, only the few that in that "Context" are particularly useful. Even in the case of selecting text and changing its appearance, if its a common thing( LIke IMing) buttons should be provided so as to lessen the straing one would put on thier hand in order to accomplish it.

5. Some app's still not supporting Drag & Drop text copying.

Apple can't do anything about that it's the developers fault. Email them and tell them how much thier app sucks for not having it.

6. I can't get rid of the damn US flag (risks flaming) - even though US is not selected in Input Menu. Selecting and then deselecting it gets rid of it until the next Log out. This bug was introduced in 10.2.4

Your bug, not mine. Why not just make sure ALL of the optiong are off in the keyboard menu since it defualts to american anyway.

7. I have my Volumes folder in the Dock, but I think this really should be a System option. It's dumb to have everything you want in the Dock, even HD's, but have to go to a Window menu to click on the computer icon.

Why should this be an option? The Dock is not a startBar it was never meant to be a means of traversing your file structure. It just has the ability to do so. If you want to do it great. Its a simple drag & drop action. Why add useless toggles for something so easily accomplished?

8. I'd like the option to stop app's and the Finder making a new window, if one isn't already open, when I select the app.

Again this is up to the developer and more importantly, the Aqua UI Guidelines demand it be in place in all apps. If you've seen none mac users using 9 and repeatedly clicking on an open app, you'd understand why it was made a requirement. Well that and it saves you a trip to the file menu since you switched into the app to use it. I can't think of a single scenario where you don't want a new something from an app when you click it's icon and it doesn't already have one open.

[K++]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
- Quicktime
It still feels like a crap OS 9 (or more to the point OS 8) port. It should contain the codec to watch DivX movies and should be considerably more responsive.[/quicktime]
DivX is not standard and its licensing is sketchy at best. DivX is not a up to spec format, all DivX avis mangle the spec and Apple will never go past the spec to support a third party codec like DivX. If you like Divx so much, what is the trouble with downloading vlc and playing through there or using the superior CLI movie player mplayer. I said CLI since it's GUI sucks. Also Mplayer has much better full screen controls for jumping through films.

- Finder
The OS 10.2 finder can be DOG SLOW at times. When connecting to another mac over AFP, you almost always lock the finder for a few seconds. Also, window resizing is still lagging behind.

im skipping over this since many people experince it though it has never happened to me personally, everything has alwasy loaded near instantly for me. This may be due to the fact im on a 100baseT network accesing machines in my local subnet but I have yet to have one of these lockups people complain about.

- Appearance
I think it's VERY important that Apple have a standard look and feel, but if it isn't going to take them away from more important things, couldn't they make the OS more visually customizable??? I think the 3rd parties are doing a great job, but it shouldn't be that hard. Also, some of us would prefer to have the drop shadow and extras be gone (especially on an old G3)

The OS is very customizable, Apple just doesn't go out of its way to provide you with tools to customize your OS. X has by far the simplest theming architecture of mainstream OS's as a matter of fact not even linux's Window Managers come close since they require thousands of tiny files qith different names in exact locations in relation to a main theme folder and then a overall theme location.

- iApps
Now that Panther is on the way, we don't seem to hear anything about new iApp updates. Where is rendezvous enabled iTunes? Where is Keynote 1.1 (update)? Where is the iCal update... I'm not talking about major updates, but a bump or two would be nice (Thanks for the Apple Remote Desktop Bump!!!)

I too want randezvous enabled iTunes, Why haven't we seen it yet? I theorize it's licensing. Apple is probably trying to think up a way to protect this such that they don't get sued and its not easy for anyone to just take mp3s they don't own.

[Sarah31]

heh. this is actually a funny thread. i love os x. i had to give it up for a year or so but jaguar is nice. and it works great on my 12" pb.

the finder has not given me great troubles i find it soo much better than OS 9 (which i think is probably the worst version of the old OS that was ever made).

a few things would be nice though.

1. faster bootup. my linux box boots in about 40 seconds.

2. fix window resizing it has been an issue since the first release and still persists.

3. make quicktime more responsive

4. improve the opengl optimizations. i don't game but i can tell that his needs boosting for playing around.

as far as some seeming to think that OS X is not a good deal. XP sucks and cost a whole lot more and everything that i needed to be productive i either got with OS X or built it from source. Only a few things have not built which i would like but that is just the difference in system architecture that i hope to troub le shoot once i teach myself more about os x and code in general.

IMHO with only a little more work OS X will be better than any other OS on the market. Linux and it XFree86 do not compare graphically (Xfree86 is even a poor substitute for even, ugh, windows) and Windows has never made a good product so...

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally posted by Sarah31:
1. faster bootup. my linux box boots in about 40 seconds.

I have never ever understood this. You turn off your computer?

Originally posted by Thain Esh Kelch

quote:
Originally posted by yukon:
the finder is the biggest gripe, I believe it's what makes the UI seem slow.

Its also the thing we interact with the most in OSX..

No, it's not. I don't know about your work habits. But I interact most with the web browser, Adobe and Macromedia software. And then maybe the dock to switch between them. Lastly I use the integrated search function of finder windows to find my stuff (unless they are readily availible in the icons in the toolbar). I never ever stopped to think that the interface is slow in any way.

Now open and save dialogs, that we can talk about. Friggin things.

[gunnar]

Everything's too slow. I'll accept it because of the other great things but surely they could speed things up. I've seen BeOS and NextStep and they flew on much lesser hardware. A whole OS update dedicated towards speed would be just fine by me.

[IonCable]

My biggest gripe is that most apps don't respect the Dock area on the screen. I love the ability to make the area the Dock uses as off limits to ALL apps. Just like I can't drag a window above the Menu Bar at the top of the screen, I want that same feature/ability for where I place the dock. I like the Dock, I just it when it gets in the way of my apps and windows.

[Sarah31]

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
I have never ever understood this. You turn off your computer?

If i had a desktop no i would not. If i did not ever accept any of the security upgrades no I would not. However, i have a Powerbook which necessitates powering down on occassion and I do accept all security upgrades so, again, i do have to reboot for these.

My linux boxes are desktops and i don't reboot them unless i upgrade my kernel or other unforseen reasons. Its greast that you don't have to reboot but on the other hand i hope that you never get explioted by any of the security holes in your system because you don't.

[SSharon]

Quicktime = slow
SMB = KP
Mail = needs more features stability improvements
Finder = slow at times, not as bad as some people here think, maybe instead of the beach ball it should have a short animation or something
oh also, stop stacking 100's of files on top of my HD icon. why can't OS X make a folder called "stop putting 100 files on the desktop and then blaming me for not filing them for you" so I can then open that folder and view them in list (I know I can view the desktop folder in list but its slow since I have it calculating all file sizes)
other than all that, OS X is great but maybe its time for a 2 button mouse

[dividend]

---
1. Maximise button in Cocoa app's works differently from Carbon (windows jump to the top of the screen and won't allow you to move them down until you click maximise again...)

-> my problem is that sometimes green enlarges the window to cover the entire screen. sometimes only to show all content, as it should be.

2. I want Spring-loaded folders in the Dock.

-> yea

3. I want Labels back as a part of the OS (looks like they will return...)

-> yea

4. Better contextual menus. Perhaps even a Font menu in there.

-> yea
---
The Apple Menu should not include Buy Mac OS X software. Silly to have it there

Icons in dock should not jump but display a warning sign if something is wrong

Red button should either close the entire programme or always close the window (prefer the last one). Lack of consitency that makes it impossible to know which (compare Apple Profiler and Calculator...)


programmes
addressbook - cannot order Swedish characters å ä ö, they come under a and o. Wrong!
Address book & bluetooth - problems with internationl prefix

[Sarah31]

oh yeah i forgot. multiple/vitual workspaces. this should be a norm and not provided by third part software. multiple workspaces are very muchly needed in os x

[Musti]

Image previews taking ages to load...(Or, not a thumbs.db a la Windoze).

I still have a love-hate relationship with the Dock.

Oh, I want a snappier (tm) Finder, too.

[The Placid Casual]

Another vote for spring loaded folders in the dock...

Also I would like to see a more elgent way of blanking/erasing CD-RWs. Considering the drag and drop simplicity of burning the disks, it seems stupid to have to use disk utility to blank them...

Also I find that my system gets bogged down far too easily (Dual 867, 1 Gig Ram, GF4 MX)... I mostly use Indesign, and some Adobe Apps, but when switching between the apps the system can become unresponsive...

Last thing is stabity. I still get lock ups of apps and the finder... Although I get no kernal panics, and they are easily recoverabIe, I often have to force quit stuff.... maybe it is just me. Probably not apples fault, but it bugs me nontheless...

As for everything else, I am pretty imressed, it is still but a young OS and will only get better...

Peace,

Marc

[greenG4]

My problem is with MIDI. My MIDI apps lose the MIDI setup after they quit and I start them again. The writers say it's Apple. Not totally sure if I believe them...