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AssassyN · Apr 7, 2003, 07:04 PM

To all you ADC members, login at https://connect.apple.com to get your hands on the latest build of Apple's Safari, released today.

foobars · Apr 7, 2003, 07:09 PM

That's weird I'm a member with a seed key and I dont see anything...

AssassyN · Apr 7, 2003, 07:09 PM

Very, very strange...I accidentally closed that tab out, went back and logged in again, and lo and behold it's GONE from the ADC Download Section. Not a trace of Safari whatsoever...man, I missed the download, argh!

AssassyN · Apr 7, 2003, 07:12 PM

Well what in the world! Apple's going crazy...they've put it back right this second, however none on their various FTP's are working...but I'm not leaving the page all night until I'll hopefully get it from one of them.

Adam Betts · Apr 7, 2003, 07:18 PM

Huh? Last time I heard, they went past v71

AssassyN · Apr 7, 2003, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
Huh? Last time I heard, they went past v71

Hmm, the last beta I heard about before this one was v67.

foobars · Apr 7, 2003, 07:59 PM

Is it still up?

I'm looking under What's New and don't see it...

nforcer · 08:28 AM

The truth:

1) Apple killed the Safari seed program
2) I checked this out a while ago and found nothing.

[Edit: Toned down]

Wes · Apr 7, 2003, 08:26 PM

Well, no actually nforcer. AssassyN was correct. However the page is now gone. (when it was up none of the links to download worked anyway though).

http://homepage.mac.com/westonm/.Pictures/Safari71.jpg

gorickey · Apr 7, 2003, 09:02 PM

This is good news....we may be seeing a new release here sooner then later!

mdc · Apr 7, 2003, 09:47 PM

any developers feel like telling what is new in this build and how close/far they feel a new public beta is?

---only if ^that^ is legal---

wtmcgee · Apr 7, 2003, 11:02 PM

i'd be interested to see what they're working on. hopefully they're coming along nicely, despite the lack of testers ....

AssassyN · Apr 7, 2003, 11:21 PM

Safari v71 was removed from the ADC Site, and while it was there all of Apple's FTP's wouldn't send it to me. Also, as mentioned earlier, OS X 10.2.5 was ALSO on the ADC site, however, it too wouldn't download and it was also removed along w/ Safari v71...it seems somebody jumped the gun, but I sure wish I could've hopped on that FTP before they shut it down. Sorry to burst the bubble guys.

AssassyN · Apr 7, 2003, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by nforcer:
What AssassyN says is a bunch of crap.

Excuse me?

Bet you'll think twice before calling that one again.

BTW, thanks for the proof Wes.

cpac · Apr 7, 2003, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Wes:
Well, no actually nforcer. AssassyN was correct. However the page is now gone. (when it was up none of the links to download worked anyway though).

http://homepage.mac.com/westonm/.Pictures/Safari71.jpg

Umm, I'm not seeing it there at all...

Kenneth · Apr 8, 2003, 01:21 AM

Did Apple yank it off their server?
I just checked... it's gone. So they are still seeding it?

AssassyN · Apr 8, 2003, 06:27 AM

LoL, just read my previous post:

Safari v71 was removed from the ADC Site, and while it was there all of Apple's FTP's wouldn't send it to me. Also, as mentioned earlier, OS X 10.2.5 was ALSO on the ADC site, however, it too wouldn't download and it was also removed along w/ Safari v71...it seems somebody jumped the gun, but I sure wish I could've hopped on that FTP before they shut it down. Sorry to burst the bubble guys.

Apple yanked it just about as soon as it was put up there, along with OS X 10.2.5. It's gone.

cwasko · Apr 8, 2003, 07:35 AM

I logged in to the Dev site last week and saw the 10.2.5 releases for OSX and OSXS. I was unable to download either though. I think that Apple's Dev site mysteriously burps.

nforcer · Apr 8, 2003, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by AssassyN:
Excuse me?

Bet you'll think twice before calling that one again.

BTW, thanks for the proof Wes.

Sorry for my tone at the end. I wasn't calling you crap, just your comment. I failed to seriously consider the possibility that Apple screwed up for a moment and accidentally posted something they shouldn't have. I thought this was another late April Fools joke (which I've had a lot played on me lately) / lame rumor report, so I went to instant-bitch mode. I'll be more careful next time.

andretan · Apr 8, 2003, 09:18 AM

Maybe Apple just wanted to make everyone jealous

jealous that they have it and you can't (at the moment)

KidRed · Apr 8, 2003, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by nforcer:
The truth:

1) Apple killed the Safari seed program
2) I checked this out a while ago and found nothing.

[Edit: Toned down]

Ah no, the truth is apple killed the Apple Seeding Program seeding Safari beta builds because of all the *******s leaking builds to carracho.

They did not kill the app, just the seeding program.

AssassyN · Apr 8, 2003, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by nforcer:
Sorry for my tone at the end. I wasn't calling you crap, just your comment. I failed to seriously consider the possibility that Apple screwed up for a moment and accidentally posted something they shouldn't have. I thought this was another late April Fools joke (which I've had a lot played on me lately) / lame rumor report, so I went to instant-bitch mode. I'll be more careful next time.

Hehe, no problem at all, it sure surprised me as well!

Anomalous · Apr 8, 2003, 01:59 PM

I also heard that Apple had terminated the seeding program to developers. That is strange that they would post a new build, but based on that screenshot I am convinced that it is possible.

MadBrowser · Apr 8, 2003, 07:39 PM

They terminated AppleSeed access to Safari. AppleSeed is Apple's customer seeding problem, not the developer seeding program.

The developer seeding program has never had Safari (or any other consumer level apps) seeded... Just OS X builds, dev tools, java stuff, SDKs, etc...

Seamus · Apr 8, 2003, 11:01 PM

The latest version that I can confirm is floating around is v69 (Because I'm on it right now). Keychain support is in this build, and it's very nice. They also fixed the graphical glitch that occured when opening many tabs.

Adam Betts · Apr 8, 2003, 11:15 PM

At around 8pm today, two of my friends told me that they saw Safari v60 in Software Update but later Apple took it down.

Seem strange to me

gorickey · Apr 8, 2003, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
At around 8pm today, two of my friends told me that they saw Safari v60 in Software Update but later Apple took it down.

Seem strange to me

Actually, v60 shows up for alot of users in Software Update that are using later un-released builds like v64/67...no idea why, but it's been a common theme!

jessejlt · Apr 9, 2003, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by Seamus:
The latest version that I can confirm is floating around is v69 (Because I'm on it right now). Keychain support is in this build, and it's very nice. They also fixed the graphical glitch that occured when opening many tabs.

I just downloaded it too. Fixed a lot of stuff, runs very nicely.
I wonder how these builds keep leaking, even though Apple shut down the seeding program. I'm sure they'll be plenty pissed when they see 69 floating around all over the place.
jesse ;-)

Zimphire · Apr 9, 2003, 01:09 AM

Not too much different than 67 was. At least I don't see many right now.

[APi]TheMan · Apr 9, 2003, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Not too much different than 67 was. At least I don't see many right now.

Word. But then again I don't use too many sites other than MacNN and VersionTracker... so I'm pretty happy with these last few builds...

Meh

gorickey · Apr 9, 2003, 09:10 AM

Just so I understand myself...people are saying that v69 is out instead of v71?

Thanks.

Busemann · Apr 9, 2003, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by gorickey:
Just so I understand myself...people are saying that v69 is out instead of v71?

Thanks.

I think both are out

Theres some good news in v71 for those that browse porn (God forbid).

A new menu "Reset Safari" is now added which erases your browsing history, empties the cache, clears the Downloads window, and removes cookies. It also removes any saved names and passwords or other AutoFill text and clears Google search entries.

Its so great when hard, but important work gets automated

gorickey · Apr 9, 2003, 10:11 AM

How is rendering in v71 compared to v60 (or v69)??

Webscreamer · Apr 9, 2003, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Busemann:
I think both are out

Theres some good news in v71 for those that browse porn (God forbid).

A new menu "Reset Safari" is now added which erases your browsing history, empties the cache, clears the Downloads window, and removes cookies. It also removes any saved names and passwords or other AutoFill text and clears Google search entries.

Its so great when hard, but important work gets automated

Ummm, isn't this in v69 too?!

Eug · Apr 9, 2003, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by Busemann:
Theres some good news in v71 for those that browse porn...

Its so great when hard

Hmmm...

Busemann · 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
Ummm, isn't this in v69 too?!

yes it is, sorry.

69 and 71 seems almost identical, no? versiontracker looks best with 71 though (but 69 is best for porn anyways

)

ROFL Eug

voodoo · Apr 9, 2003, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Busemann:
I think both are out

Theres some good news in v71 for those that browse porn (God forbid).

A new menu "Reset Safari" is now added which erases your browsing history, empties the cache, clears the Downloads window, and removes cookies. It also removes any saved names and passwords or other AutoFill text and clears Google search entries.

Its so great when hard, but important work gets automated

WOW!!

Totally BRILLIANT!

Apple, you my company.

Nai no Kami · Apr 9, 2003, 11:30 AM

AFAIK v69 should be better for porn.

gorickey · Apr 9, 2003, 11:33 AM

I notice that v71 has signs of "Beta 2" everywhere on it...interesting! Besides it totally jacking up the MacNN forum boards, I like this build.

dab007 · Apr 10, 2003, 02:27 AM

v71 seems a little slower.

Lew · Apr 10, 2003, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by gorickey:
How is rendering in v71 compared to v60 (or v69)??

I tried v69 and v71 briefly but went back to v60. Small fonts such as the one in this post are nicely smoothed and very readable in v60. In v69 and v71 they're rendered in a bitmap font that is completely unreadable at that size.

ShotgunEd · Apr 10, 2003, 05:52 AM

v71 seems to have all the pros and none of the cons of the last few versions thats I've seen. Looks like the final is close and like it will be great.

- - e r i k - - · Apr 10, 2003, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by GFive:
I tried v69 and v71 briefly but went back to v60. Small fonts such as the one in this post are nicely smoothed and very readable in v60. In v69 and v71 they're rendered in a bitmap font that is completely unreadable at that size.

Yup, that is true. According to Dave Hyatt, they implemented this on request that bitmapped fonts should stay bitmapped fonts. Of course, for smaller sizes of those fonts (geneva for instance) it looks like utter crap and should still be anti-aliased.

Lew · Apr 10, 2003, 07:02 AM

I hope they at least make it an optional thing. I hate bitmapped fonts, especially when they look that bad.

JLL · Apr 10, 2003, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by GFive:
I tried v69 and v71 briefly but went back to v60. Small fonts such as the one in this post are nicely smoothed and very readable in v60. In v69 and v71 they're rendered in a bitmap font that is completely unreadable at that size.

That post is antialiased in my v71.

- - e r i k - - · Apr 10, 2003, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by JLL:
That post is antialiased in my v71.

Not in mine. Do you have a different setting in your system preferences than me perhaps?

- - e r i k - - · Apr 10, 2003, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
Not in mine. Do you have a different setting in your system preferences than me perhaps?

Hmmm. I turned down the minimum anti-aliasing cutoff to 8 pt instead of 9 in general preferences and now I get anti-aliasing on this forum.

However it appears to anti-alias the bitmap-version of the font instead of the vector like it did before. And that just looks horrible (think IE shortcut bar).

Dammit!

Lew · Apr 10, 2003, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by JLL:
That post is antialiased in my v71.

Here's how it shows for me:

v60

v69

gorickey · Apr 10, 2003, 09:00 AM

I'm not getting any bitmapping going on at all in v71....interesting....

coolmacdude · Apr 10, 2003, 09:02 AM

It looks a lot better if you set a minmum font size of 12 or 14 point. I like that because stuff that is too small is converted up to a better size.