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JB72 · Apr 8, 2003, 08:31 PM

As most of you know, Final Cut Pro 4 was announced recently. I'm wondering what others were in regards to what it points to as far as potential OS X.3 Panther features. First we'll take a look at...

- Shortcut Buttons

You can create your own shortcut buttons that correspond to commands, and place them at the top (near the tabs) of Final Cut Pro 4?s Browser, Viewer, Canvas, Timeline and Tool Bench windows. You can click any of the shortcut buttons in this ?button bar? to perform commands, instead of having to enter key combinations or access menus. The shortcut button bars you set up are automatically saved when you quit Final Cut Pro 4, and restored when you reopen the application.

Final Cut Pro 4?s shortcut buttons display the icon of the command they perform, giving you a useful visual cue to their function. To make things even easier, tool tips for specified commands appear when you move the pointer over their corresponding shortcut buttons. And Final Cut Pro 4 lets you rearrange, organize, copy and drag buttons between windows to create an even more customized interface.

FCP 4 quick tour MP4. Shows the "poof" animation as shortcut buttons are removed (about 2/3 through video.)

Are these indicative of more customizability throughout the OS? Is Apple taking the idea of Dock and Toolbar flexibility and allowing us to put these wherever we want? Multiple docks?

Discuss...

coming soon: LiveFonts and more.

moonmonkey · Apr 9, 2003, 12:17 AM

would be nice.

Socially Awkward Solo · Apr 9, 2003, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
would be nice.

Would also be nice if people take a quick glance to see if there is a big topic on this already...

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=154489

JB72 · Apr 9, 2003, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Would also be nice if people take a quick glance to see if there is a big topic on this already...

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=154489

Yeh I'm not sure how I missed that "Possible Panther UI?" topic as being related to FCP 4.

"quick glance?" Come now. Come now. And that topic seems to be centered on the UI of DVD Studio Pro 2, not the technologies and ideas incoporated into FCP 4.

Socially Awkward Solo · Apr 9, 2003, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by JB72:
Yeh I'm not sure how I missed that "Possible Panther UI?" topic as being related to FCP 4. "quick glance?" Come now. Come now. And that topic seems to be centered on the UI of DVD Studio Pro 2, not the technologies and ideas incoporated into FCP 4.

Really the first two replies mention FCP and the rest of the topic is exactly the same as this one.

But hey, a whole discussion on FCP and NOT DVD studio should bring a wealth of new information.

Zimphire · Apr 9, 2003, 01:48 AM

Heh, topic nazis are amusing.

Socially Awkward Solo · Apr 9, 2003, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Heh, topic nazis are amusing.

Second shocker in one day, zimphire replies with his Superior attitude once again!

Zimphire · Apr 9, 2003, 02:25 AM

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Second shocker in one day, zimphire replies with his Superior attitude once again!

You have taught me well.

Socially Awkward Solo · Apr 9, 2003, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
You have taught me well.

Case in point

JB72 · Apr 9, 2003, 03:35 AM

eally the first two replies mention FCP and the rest of the topic is exactly the same as this one.

Yes. I dig into EVERY topic on this board, despite whatever the subject may be titled.

Socially Awkward Solo · Apr 9, 2003, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by JB72:
Yes. I dig into EVERY topic on this board, despite whatever the subject may be titled.

Good. Then why did you miss it as it was just a couple topics below yours?

Zimphire · Apr 9, 2003, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Good. Then why did you miss it as it was just a couple topics below yours?

Socially Awkward Solo · Apr 9, 2003, 12:42 PM

Zimphire · Apr 9, 2003, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:

You would know.

Socially Awkward Solo · Apr 9, 2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
You would know.

Michael_Jackson · Apr 9, 2003, 04:56 PM

what is this thread about?

Superchicken · Apr 9, 2003, 06:15 PM

it's about S-A-S being an A-S-S

Sorry I just came up with that today and really love it

Yeah essentialliy someone made a post about possible UI features in panther and SAS saw that it was simlar to something someone else posted... and he freaked out... but then again if you freak out at every post that looks similar to another... you probably shouldn't read the OS X forum around public beta time.

JB72 · Apr 9, 2003, 10:33 PM

Cocoa Text
The text system has always been one of the central components of Cocoa, but this year it's getting some exciting new features that will make it more useful and powerful than ever. We'll briefly review the architecture of the Cocoa text system, then dive in and show you how to start making use of its new capabilities.

There have been rumors that Panther will sport new Cocoa text capabilities. Well if this is true, then LiveFonts surely must figure into the picture.

LiveFonts are a new kind of font. They bring your titles to life with color and character. Designed by professional animators, LiveFonts let you type out sophisticated animated font styles as easily as you'd type out a system font. And because they're created in 32-bit alpha-channel, they key right over video.

...

The result of an innovative new 32-bit file format called ActiveFile data (.afd), LiveFonts changes the rules in the studio, giving Mac a decisive edge when it comes to animating titles. The only 32-bit format for fonts, ActiveFile data lets you designate movies as characters, and these movie characters are then compiled into LiveFonts.

all emphasis my own

Will we be seeing something like this on a system-wide basis in Panther? Maybe just something new avalable for Cocoa applications to tap into? Is there a Quartz Extreme connection? Am I insane or just overly enthusiastic?

I have no clue. That's why I present it here to you good people to mull over.

beb · Apr 9, 2003, 11:15 PM

I love livetype. I got my FCP 4 upgrade on order today.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 9, 2003, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:

Yeah essentialliy someone made a post about possible UI features in panther and SAS saw that it was simlar to something someone else posted... and he freaked out...

Ha ha freaked out. if you call this freaked out then you are more socially retarded then I first thought.
"Would also be nice if people take a quick glance to see if there is a big topic on this already..."

You should get out of the trailer park more.

beb · Apr 9, 2003, 11:59 PM

I wonder if FCP 4 along with Shake would beat a Quantel Paint Box in chroma compositing tests. The big problem is different saturation of blues or greens due to lighting setups. Then you have to do color corrections and all that mess...

I'm sorry but I really just got a chance to see FCP 4 today. This is ****ing great!

Fallout · Apr 10, 2003, 12:25 AM

Holy ****, enough with the Panther threads already..we need a subforum like the Politics/War Lounge for rumours.

mrmister · Apr 10, 2003, 01:30 AM

Children. Behave.

MindFad · Apr 10, 2003, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by mrmister:
Children. Behave.

Really, it's not the ****in' lounge. You two take that **** to the lounge or I'll pull this forum over right now, and you'll never see the guy in the big furry Demonhood suit!

I like the new look of FCP, and if it turned out to be the new look of Panther, I'd be happy with it. I recently switched back to Aqua, though; I'd missed it.

a holck · Apr 10, 2003, 02:32 AM

Originally posted by JB72:

There have been rumors that Panther will sport new Cocoa text capabilities. Well if this is true, then LiveFonts surely must figure into the picture.

Think Hebrew, right to left.

JB72 · Apr 10, 2003, 04:56 AM

Originally posted by a holck:
Think Hebrew, right to left.

Hebrew? Hebrew! That's what the new text capabilities are? Uggg. I would have assumed we already had Hebrew.

JB72 · 04:47 AM

I got to see a demo of FCP earlier tonight. The tent in my trousers still hasn't fully receded. It's that juicy.

After seeing LiveType in action, it's hard for me to believe that we won't see some of this technology as a framework available for other applications to draw on. Keynote is a no brainer, but non-motion apps like AppleWorks could certainly benefit it seems.

Databasing throughout, in real-time, easily searchable ("like iTunes.") Extensibility:

For Panther: rapid, user-friendly, portable databases throughout. Especially the Finder. Think "piles." Think BeOS-like file system. Think a massive set of user prefs contained in one XML file, ready to grab and go, intelligently adjusting from one machine to the next (treating remote files and apps like offline media.)

TC · Apr 24, 2003, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by JB72:
I got to see a demo of FCP earlier tonight. The tent in my trousers still hasn't fully receded. It's that juicy.

Where you getting all these features with FCP 4 running on 10.2? Mainly the searchable database side of things.

I am still hoping that the July/August release dates fro DVD Studio Pro and FCP mean that we'll be seeing panther at the same time.

moonmonkey · Apr 24, 2003, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
it's about S-A-S being an A-S-S

Sorry I just came up with that today and really love it

Yeah essentialliy someone made a post about possible UI features in panther and SAS saw that it was simlar to something someone else posted... and he freaked out... but then again if you freak out at every post that looks similar to another... you probably shouldn't read the OS X forum around public beta time.

Public beta time?

That was arround 3 years ago, it quite easy to avoid the forums in a specified time period which will never happen again.

DeathMan · Apr 25, 2003, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
Public beta time?

That was arround 3 years ago, it quite easy to avoid the forums in a specified time period which will never happen again.

everybody's a comedian.

JB72 · Jun 13, 2003, 11:20 PM

I just installed FCP4. There is definately a whole new UI at work there, especially in apps like LiveType and Soundtrack. The new pro flavor seems to be similar to iTunes, but w/o the metal skin; all grey. Lotsa smaller black buttons.

Installed along with FCP4 is ProKit.framework.

swiz · Jun 14, 2003, 08:19 AM

Not to change the topic of the thread but I just finished a system wide theme which was wholly inspired by FCP4 and DVD SP2.

If you ever venture into OSX themes you can get it here:
http://swizcore.com/SS/macOSX.php

RooneyX · Jun 14, 2003, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by swiz:
Not to change the topic of the thread but I just finished a system wide theme which was wholly inspired by FCP4 and DVD SP2.

If you ever venture into OSX themes you can get it here:
http://swizcore.com/SS/macOSX.php

Sweet!

Guy Incognito 2 · Jun 14, 2003, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by JB72:
I just installed FCP4. There is definately a whole new UI at work there, especially in apps like LiveType and Soundtrack. The new pro flavor seems to be similar to iTunes, but w/o the metal skin; all grey. Lotsa smaller black buttons.

Installed along with FCP4 is ProKit.framework.

Screnshots...please.

tooki · Jun 14, 2003, 12:15 PM

FCP 4 -- a glimpse into the wrong forum.

tooki