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Vi0 · Apr 9, 2003, 03:44 AM

Does anyone know where I can get download a copy of 10.0, the original public beta of Mac OS X?

Jan Van Boghout · Apr 9, 2003, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by Vi0:
Does anyone know where I can get download a copy of 10.0, the original public beta of Mac OS X?

10.0 wasn't the Public Beta. It was the first non-preview OS X release for the general public.

Vi0 · Apr 9, 2003, 04:13 AM

Oh ok. Nevermind then.

sniffer · Apr 9, 2003, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by Jan Van Boghout:
10.0 wasn't the Public Beta. It was the first non-preview OS X release for the general public.

So they said anyway.

OptimusG4 · Apr 9, 2003, 05:51 AM

Originally posted by Jan Van Boghout:
10.0 wasn't the Public Beta. It was the first non-preview OS X release for the general public.

Coulda fooled me.

RooneyX · Apr 9, 2003, 07:22 AM

10.0 was the full priced beta. If you called it that at the time you would have been assaulted by the Mac Mujadeen who said it was the best OS in the world

darrick · Apr 9, 2003, 08:04 AM

Mac Mujadeen... lol

- - e r i k - - · Apr 9, 2003, 08:07 AM

I think I still may have a copy of the original public beta somewhere. Complete with centered Apple menu and all

WJMoore · Apr 9, 2003, 08:17 AM

Yeah I have a couple of copies hiding somewhere. I have heard that it doesn't work on newer machines and it says that it has expired on those that it does boot on...

Wesley

Oneota · Apr 9, 2003, 08:24 AM

That's why you set the clock back on the machines you install it on.

RealMac · Apr 9, 2003, 08:55 AM

About the public beta, you don't want to use it trust me. Unstable and rather slow. As others have mentioned, it probably expired anyway.

- - e r i k - - · Apr 9, 2003, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by RealMac:
About the public beta, you don't want to use it trust me. Unstable and rather slow. As others have mentioned, it probably expired anyway.

Heck, if one were curious, why shouldn't they try? As long as they do it on a separate partition that is...

iamnotmad · Apr 9, 2003, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
I think I still may have a copy of the original public beta somewhere. Complete with centered Apple menu and all

It was not even a menu at the time - just a logo!

bradoesch · Apr 9, 2003, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by iamnotmad:
It was not even a menu at the time - just a logo!

Didn't it get in the way of the menu items? I could never figure that out.

lookmark · Apr 9, 2003, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by bradoesch:
Didn't it get in the way of the menu items? I could never figure that out.

It just disappeared if items in the menu bar extended to and past the center of the screen.

I sort of liked the symmetry of the Apple menu in the center of the menu bar in the PB, but like even more the logic of the Apple as a place for rthe most global, system-wide commands.

WJMoore · Apr 9, 2003, 11:14 PM

I never had any stability issues with the PB. I ran it as my primary OS from when it was released to when 10.0 was released and never got a kernel panic or anything like that.

Wesley

Fallout · Apr 10, 2003, 12:27 AM

The PB was almost unusable on my iMac. Unstable and very, very slow. I had it installed for a few days then erased it...didn't touch OSX again until 10.1 came out.

Was it the PB that could use around four different appearance styles (NeXT, Windows, Platinum, and Aqua)?

tikki · Apr 10, 2003, 01:14 AM

I remember trying to nag a friend to get the PB, but he refused to spend the $20. bastard.

dav · Apr 10, 2003, 07:54 AM

i ordered the PB, and still have it, but never actually got around to installing it

so now it's just a collector's item for me.

Zadian · Apr 10, 2003, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by Fallout:

Was it the PB that could use around four different appearance styles (NeXT, Windows, Platinum, and Aqua)?

The public beta only had Aqua (or something that would turn into Aqua as we know ist).

Ron Goodman · 08:52 PM

I ran the Public Beta on a G4 400 AGP from the time it came out until 10.0 and never had a panic. I think it locked up once or twice. It was thin on features compared to Jaguar but I preferred it to OS 9 even then.

Jellytussle · Apr 10, 2003, 10:37 AM

Of course, I had the other 10.1, build 4K81. Man, was that fast...

Earth Mk. II · Apr 10, 2003, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Zadian:
The public beta only had Aqua (or something that would turn into Aqua as we know ist).

No.

The Public Beta had Aqua for all native apps.

But through a hidden preference you could give all cocoa windows a NeXt style interface. Carbon windows remained Aqua.

And I believe DP3 and earlier would default to a platnium UI if some .rsrc files were removed.

Of course, all of that was gone since the GM (4K78).

Anomalous · Apr 10, 2003, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by WJMoore:
I never had any stability issues with the PB. I ran it as my primary OS from when it was released to when 10.0 was released and never got a kernel panic or anything like that.

Wesley

How did you do this, considering there was almost no native software available at the time of the PB?

Btw, Tikki, some people just don't have $20 to spend. Don't discriminate against people for being poor.

Toyin · Apr 10, 2003, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Anomalous:
How did you do this, considering there was almost no native software available at the time of the PB?

Btw, Tikki, some people just don't have $20 to spend. Don't discriminate against people for being poor.

I used the Public Beta at least 3/4 of the time. It was rock stable. I remember using the classic environment for most of my software and games. In fact launching classic was part of my login items. The music player was very, very cool looking and the centered Apple while totally useless was aesthetically pleasing. I'd only boot into 9 to use my CD Burner.

Ahh, the good old days, when we thought that OSX was slow due to all the debugging code.

mac freak · Apr 10, 2003, 05:17 PM

I found my DP3 cd the other day...

Should I attempt to install it? The Very First Aqua release... I remember salivating over it, and running it just to stare at the screen... funny thing was, back then on my blueberry iMac 350, it was FASTER than 10.0. Or at least it seemed that way (when I was running it, I never really felt it was "slow"... resizing sucked, but that was more-or-less all).

Remember DP3? With the gradient dock? No clock (not even clock.app)? Could run OS X Server (the platinum one!) apps? You could delete extras.rsrc and run the OS with a full platinum interface? Really huge interface elements (they were shrunk in DP4)? No web broswer (had to DL OmniWeb)?

Those were the days. When OS X was fun!!

vasu · Apr 10, 2003, 07:05 PM

yeah I remember DP3 and DP4 and maybe even Public Beta being faster on my Beige G3 than 10.0-10.2.5 have been.

-vasu

faragbre967 · Apr 10, 2003, 08:22 PM

Hahaha, DP3

I've been running the newest version of OS X since then, no real problems. Who remembers that ugly ass finder that was with DP3, I think the public beta had it too, the one with the image wells instead of the toolbar. Now that I think about it, we havent gotten much better...

mac freak · Apr 10, 2003, 09:12 PM

Yeah, that was one ugly-ass finder DP3 had... I personally think the reconfigurable finder "bar" is a big improvement over the button well thingies.

Also, if you turned off the toolbar, there wasn't even that little bar that displayed the number of items in the folder and the amount of drive space free... 'twas sad

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