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LeeG · Apr 21, 2003, 07:35 AM

Just saw on MacCentral....

"Music to your ears..."

Lee

mishap · Apr 21, 2003, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by LeeG:
Just saw on MacCentral....

"Music to your ears..."

Lee

nice...maybe new ipods too

typoon · Apr 21, 2003, 08:34 AM

I'm hoping for iTunes 4. Maybe an Apple Music service.

sandsl · Apr 21, 2003, 08:35 AM

I don't think this the right forum for that. But since the moderators seem to have disappeared (see recent posts on windows XP and Iraqi minister) who cares

We're going to see a music service from Apple yay! Can't wait!
MacCentral Article

All the mac rumors sites have suggested 28th April as the announcement date

Spymac

BZ · Apr 21, 2003, 08:36 AM

GUESS

- New iPods
- New Music service
- iTunes 4.0 w/ AAC compression

(all based on reason and every other rumor site)

BZ

mishap · Apr 21, 2003, 08:43 AM

article over at think secret says the apple stores will have a special in-store event on May 2nd (the friday after the announcement). Why would they need that? just to sell some ipods? give away iTunes cds?

AssassyN · Apr 21, 2003, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by BZ:
GUESS

- New iPods
- New Music service
- iTunes 4.0 w/ AAC compression

(all based on reason and every other rumor site)

BZ

Couldn't agree more. We'll see!

LeeG · Apr 21, 2003, 09:06 AM

Yeah, all the rumors point to:

POSSIBLE:
new ipods
itunes 4
itunes AAC
apple branded music download service
?Apple Universal buyout

Why the 5/2 apple store event? prob just publicity to kick off the music service, show off the software/ipods.

As to the proper forum, it seemed too ambiguous to categorize into peripherals (ipods), software (itunes, AAC), or apple in general (one-click music service, poss universal buyout), so here it is...maybe the lounge would've been better...move me if you want...

Lee

Angus_D · Apr 21, 2003, 11:19 AM

iTunes might finally get that rendezvous thingy steve showed last July.

Arkham_c · Apr 21, 2003, 01:21 PM

Who wants a music service? Why would anyone bother? It seems like a huge waste of time, money, and effort to me. The music industry is dying, and Apple should not waste its money on something like that.

You can't compete with free. Right or wrong, the "it's illegal" argument has not and will not stop people from using Gnutella, Carracho, and Kazaa to get whatever they want, quickly and freely.

But what do I know? I just listen to the radio.

ARENA · Apr 21, 2003, 03:30 PM

And the award for the most stupid post of the day goes to...

Originally posted by Arkham_c:
Who wants a music service? Why would anyone bother? It seems like a huge waste of time, money, and effort to me. The music industry is dying, and Apple should not waste its money on something like that.

You can't compete with free. Right or wrong, the "it's illegal" argument has not and will not stop people from using Gnutella, Carracho, and Kazaa to get whatever they want, quickly and freely.

But what do I know? I just listen to the radio.

mishap · Apr 21, 2003, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by Arkham_c:
Who wants a music service? Why would anyone bother? It seems like a huge waste of time, money, and effort to me. The music industry is dying, and Apple should not waste its money on something like that.

You can't compete with free. Right or wrong, the "it's illegal" argument has not and will not stop people from using Gnutella, Carracho, and Kazaa to get whatever they want, quickly and freely.

But what do I know? I just listen to the radio.

true. but i rather just download it from apple...knowing that it is really good quality...rather than searching three or four times to find the high quality version i'm looking for....for tracks that i really want. for stuff that i just want to hear...i will continue to just download it.

mikemako · Apr 21, 2003, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by mishap:
true. but i rather just download it from apple...knowing that it is really good quality...rather than searching three or four times to find the high quality version i'm looking for....for tracks that i really want. for stuff that i just want to hear...i will continue to just download it.

Right!

A big problem is that the programs people currently use are so complicated and messy.. why not have a clean service built into the OS that will default music to your music folder, videos to your movies folder, etc. Make it easy and organized!

Guy Incognito 2 · Apr 21, 2003, 04:00 PM

Exactly...I'd rather pay a buck and know that I'm downloading an official and legal version of a song compressed with quality codecs such as AAC with the song metadata all included than some crappy rip from P2P software.

Beats having P2P spyware on your computer or having to go down to the music stores to buy a CD with only one or two songs you're interested in.

DaedalusDX · Apr 21, 2003, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by mikemako:
Right!

A big problem is that the programs people currently use are so complicated and messy.. why not have a clean service built into the OS that will default music to your music folder, videos to your movies folder, etc. Make it easy and organized!

hmm... you'd be surprised about how clean alot of the p2p sharing clients are nowadaysat actually getting files...

What i think is a much bigger issue is that alot of those same p2p clients (kazaa worst of all) introduce all sorts of evil spyware clients on Windows machines... that's how they basically generate any sort of money... its advertising, but the worst kind.

In that respect, Apple can push something that is clean and ad-free and non intrusive... most PC users i know have the worst kind of trouble with their machines because of Kazaa and the garbage it puts on their machine when they install it.

Gatorzx2 · Apr 21, 2003, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Guy Incognito 2:
Exactly...I'd rather pay a buck and know that I'm downloading an official and legal version of a song compressed with quality codecs such as AAC with the song metadata all included than some crappy rip from P2P software.

Amen to that.

K++ · Apr 21, 2003, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by LeeG:
Just saw on MacCentral....

"Music to your ears..."

Lee

I knew my birth would signal great things for Apple. This will enrich my birthday in some way, I know it. Well that and my iPOd that I will be getting that day.

mitchell_pgh · Apr 21, 2003, 09:02 PM

I think the thing many people are overlooking is the fact that Apple may have something much more complex in mind. I would be interested in having something that:

1) Has high quality AAC (Think higher quality then CD... like 5.1 [or higher] 24 bit [I know we can't use it yet... and the hardware isn't around for the Mac])

2) Has built in meta data (more then the current MP3 ID tags offer)

3) Has song information (lyrics etc.)

4) Has album cover images (larger, high quality ones that can interact with the screen visualizations) and inside information/images

5) Is more legal and less difficult then the P2P software (it is Apple)

6) Has Rendezvous streaming (finally)

7) Can I hear LESS EXPENSIVE!!!! For me, $1 a song is rather expensive, and I'm not going to pay $12 for a whole CD... They need it to be something where I'm compelled to buy the whole CD for something around $7 etc.

8) Perhaps something where I can "test" the music for a day or so... before getting a true download...

9) Sample clips from the songs.

10) Special web only features. I seem happy to pay for a DVD with special behind the scenes information/images/comments, I wonder if I would be willing to pay for such music information.

11) HELLO... LIVE EVENTS via iTunes (another free service... check out a few shows for free... Wouldn't this be rather easy?!

I'm interested to see how well they implement the anti-theft features. If it only plays on the computer I downloaded it to and my nonexistent iPod, then I'm going to have a few issues.

iamnid · Apr 21, 2003, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Guy Incognito 2:
Exactly...I'd rather pay a buck and know that I'm downloading an official and legal version of a song compressed with quality codecs such as AAC with the song metadata all included than some crappy rip from P2P software.

Beats having P2P spyware on your computer or having to go down to the music stores to buy a CD with only one or two songs you're interested in.

well my friend, you are part of a very small minority. I suppose if they did away with federal income tax you'd still pay that voluntarily too though -- out of the goodness of your heart.

All joking aside, I think most would probably prefer to just spend the extra time searching for the song if it's free.

GORDYmac · Apr 22, 2003, 09:48 AM

I disagree iamnid. While I do use Acquisition weekly, I realize that I shouldn't. I would gladly pay up to a buck for music on a per song basis. Additionally, I think that most people are of the same mind, not a "small minority".

On another note: before iPod was released, the rumors were floating around about everything but an MP3 player. Actually, the rumors were just as profound as these are now. Time will tell if we are completely wrong this time too.

LightWaver-67 · Apr 22, 2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by iamnid:
well my friend, you are part of a very small minority. I suppose if they did away with federal income tax you'd still pay that voluntarily too though -- out of the goodness of your heart.

All joking aside, I think most would probably prefer to just spend the extra time searching for the song if it's free.

I must ALSO disagree. The "Bulk" of my .MP3 collection is my Ripped CD collection, but for the minority of songs that I want to download from the web... I too would rather pay a (very) small fee in-order to help support the artist(s) and to get a "Quality" and legitimate download experience.

I am not saying that OTHERS should feel this way... but it is how I feel and would (will?) gladly pay a per-song price to download individual tracks in a reliable and consistent manner.

LeeG · Apr 22, 2003, 10:00 AM

I respectfully disagree also, I have mostly stuff ripped from my CDs, but I paid to register acquisition, and so I use it sometimes

(I know that doesn't make it right), But I would be MORE than happy to have access to FAST, HIGH QUALITY, RELIABLE, EASY downloads.

I would be much happier paying $1 for 1 song I like, or $2 for two songs I like, than $15 for a CD with 2 songs I like.

Though if you did want the whole album, they should offer a discount (an incentive to step up the sale, hmm I like 3 songs, so I can pay $3, or for 8 dollars, get the whole album, maybe I'll throw the extra 5 - you get the idea).

Good discussion over at this MacNN Post

Lee

CubeWannaB · Apr 22, 2003, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by iamnid:
well my friend, you are part of a very small minority. I suppose if they did away with federal income tax you'd still pay that voluntarily too though -- out of the goodness of your heart.

All joking aside, I think most would probably prefer to just spend the extra time searching for the song if it's free.

It doesn't take a majority to make a profit. Mac users should know this better than anyone. Apple has 5% of the market at best and yet they are making money. Same with BMW and others.

It is very likely that Apple expects only 5% of their customers to use the new service. I assure you that they will make a nice profit of off those sales.

diamondsw · Apr 22, 2003, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by iamnid:
well my friend, you are part of a very small minority. I suppose if they did away with federal income tax you'd still pay that voluntarily too though -- out of the goodness of your heart.

All joking aside, I think most would probably prefer to just spend the extra time searching for the song if it's free.

What this will do is change the problem from today's scenario with everyone casually copying to be more like software piracy - those who are determined will, but most won't. Once it's relatively cheap and high quality, why would people who only copy a song here and a song there bother with P2P? Obviously those who like to download album after album will still use P2P, just like there are people who will download Adobe product after Adobe product. But the casual copying that has become pervasive will mostly die off.

wulf · Apr 22, 2003, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Angus_D:
iTunes might finally get that rendezvous thingy steve showed last July.

Perhaps this is the missing link in Apple's music-service/DRM strategy: the music you download (in AAC) can only be 'hosted' on one Mac (plus an iPod that is linked to it). But the files can be shared with any other local Mac using Rendezvous. Not ideal by any means, but could be an interesting way for Apple to sell the idea to the record companies while making it look cool to consumers at the same time...

vmpaul · Apr 22, 2003, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by wulf:
Perhaps this is the missing link in Apple's music-service/DRM strategy: the music you download (in AAC) can only be 'hosted' on one Mac (plus an iPod that is linked to it). But the files can be shared with any other local Mac using Rendezvous.

Couldn't it also be shared by your new Tivo or anything else with Rendevous hooked up to your stereo?