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damosan · Apr 22, 2003, 07:32 PM

Anyone have any idea if Apple is planning to sell 10.3 like they did with 10.2 (i.e. $129).

Is 10.3 a "major upgrade?"

Damo

xtal · Apr 22, 2003, 07:35 PM

I doubt that anyone knows with any certainty, but I would wager that yes, there will be a price tag attached to 10.3

gorickey · Apr 22, 2003, 07:35 PM

Yes.

theory · Apr 22, 2003, 07:46 PM

There is no reason to expect apple to give a free upgrade. So
expect to pay around the same as you payed for 10.2

Nebagakid · Apr 22, 2003, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by theory:
There is no reason to expect apple to give a free upgrade. So
expect to pay around the same as you payed for 10.2

it is a major upgrade, and don't whine about it, if you don't want to pay, you don't have to, no one is forcing you,

AssassyN · Apr 22, 2003, 08:49 PM

Still unsure how Apple can charge for these "updates". Windows Service Packs are "major upgrades" and they never cost more than a few minutes downloading.

But to answer the question, I'm sure they'll charge.

gorickey · Apr 22, 2003, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by AssassyN:
Still unsure how Apple can charge for these "updates". Windows Service Packs are "major upgrades" and they never cost more than a few minutes downloading.

But to answer the question, I'm sure they'll charge.

Window's service packs just fix the bugs of the damn OS they released....at least Apple tries to implement new and improved features/technologies.

thesearcher · Apr 22, 2003, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Nebagakid:
it is a major upgrade, and don't whine about it, if you don't want to pay, you don't have to, no one is forcing you,

So far, the only one whining is you.

moonmonkey · Apr 22, 2003, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by AssassyN:
Still unsure how Apple can charge for these "updates". Windows Service Packs are "major upgrades" and they never cost more than a few minutes downloading.

But to answer the question, I'm sure they'll charge.

Apple release bug fixes for free, features cost money!
Still less money than MS charge.

ngrundy · Apr 22, 2003, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by AssassyN:
Still unsure how Apple can charge for these "updates". Windows Service Packs are "major upgrades" and they never cost more than a few minutes downloading.

But to answer the question, I'm sure they'll charge.

/me places the tape into endless repeat mode

How difficult is it for people to understand that the point release is not a god dammed service pack.

go and find a win2k machine, get the version number from it, note that the version number if 5.0

now go and find a windows XP machine, get the version number from it, note that the version number is 5.1

windows has service packs, NT had 6, 2k has had 3, XP has had 1.

OSX has service packs too
10.1 had 5 of them, count them with me
10.1.1
10.1.2
10.1.3
10.1.4
10.1.5

10.2 has funnily enough had 5 service packs a s well, most of us downloaded the 5th one only a few weeks ago. Lets for entertainment count them
10.2.1
10.2.2
10.2.3
10.2.4
10.2.5

the 10.X Is a MAJOR RELEASE. it's not a

service pack. I've never seen a windows service pack come out with a major rewrite to the video subsystem (quatz extreme anyone?), I can't say that a service pack has brought major new applications or new version of the said applications. (iChat, address book just to list a couple that come to my head right at this moment).

where i sit OSX is a cheep dammed OS.
229 dollars for me to purchase the full version of the thing off the shelf this second.

windows xp would set me back 599 bucks off the shelf.

If 10.3 isn't charged for I'd be astounded, it's the next version of OSX.

</rant off>

mark9939 · Apr 22, 2003, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
Window's service packs just fix the bugs of the damn OS they released....at least Apple tries to implement new and improved features/technologies.

Yes, SP's are just working out XP's bugs. Think of how much you got from the 10.1 -> 10.2 upgrade... QE, iChat, vast speed difference...

That's worth my $129.

Think of Service Packs as 10.2.x updates.

dampeoples · Apr 22, 2003, 09:06 PM

Yeah, they gonna charge, i can't wait for the endless threads whining about it either, woohoo!

Mr. Blur · Apr 22, 2003, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by dampeoples:
Yeah, they gonna charge, i can't wait for the endless threads whining about it either, woohoo!

you don't have to wait at all....there have already been a handfull of threads just like this one only with more of the whining you are looking for.

thesearcher · Apr 22, 2003, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Blur:
you don't have to wait at all....there have already been a handfull of threads just like this one only with more of the whining you are looking for.

So far, the only reason this thread is turning into whining is because of the people whining about whiners. The OP didn't whine. He just asked a question. Whether or not 10.3 will be worth upgrading to will be a matter of individual opinion. End of story.

Goldie · Apr 22, 2003, 09:21 PM

Yesiree, I'd like to see a full major upgrade price and a sysyem wide metal theme.

All that's left is hope.

Truepop · Apr 22, 2003, 09:27 PM

you could always go the cheaper way. read the forums and eBay your computer and when 10.3 comes out buy a new one. hey iBooks are only 999 $ for 800MHz. sure its a g3 but they are fast and sweet.

Mrjinglesusa · Apr 22, 2003, 09:48 PM

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to start this thread.

TheMosco · Apr 22, 2003, 10:10 PM

i hope this time they do offer an upgrade cd, i think that will help quiet some complainers.

wtmcgee · Apr 22, 2003, 10:18 PM

exactly. as long as they offer some sort of upgrade pricing scheme ( $129 new, $79 upgrade) i'd feel better.

don't get me wrong... i'm buying it no matter what, but i do wish they'd treat the users who buy all of their software better - give them a simple upgrade price.

climber · Apr 22, 2003, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by thesearcher:
So far, the only reason this thread is turning into whining is because of the people whining about whiners. The OP didn't whine. He just asked a question. Whether or not 10.3 will be worth upgrading to will be a matter of individual opinion. End of story.

So then, you are whining about the whiners who are whining about the the first whiners...

...and I guess i'm whining about that ???

DeathMan · Apr 23, 2003, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by Mrjinglesusa:
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to start this thread.

...today.

Adam Betts · Apr 23, 2003, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by TheMosco:
i hope this time they do offer an upgrade cd, i think that will help quiet some complainers.

You want Apple to release an upgrade cd that will charge us $129?

thesearcher · Apr 23, 2003, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by climber:
So then, you are whining about the whiners who are whining about the the first whiners...

...and I guess i'm whining about that ???

I do realize the irony. And as I said, this thread doesn't look like it started off as a whine, but it's sure turned into one.

thesearcher · Apr 23, 2003, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
You want Apple to release an upgrade cd that will charge us $129?

I think he meant for a reduced price. Though from some of the posts here, he might be taking his life into his hands for wishing for anything other than full price.

TonyIC · Apr 23, 2003, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by theory:
There is no reason to expect apple to give a free upgrade. So
expect to pay around the same as you payed for 10.2

This is fine for me. Let's see 10.2 cost me under $20 through my university.

Guy Incognito 2 · Apr 23, 2003, 10:58 AM

This thread sucks. In before the lock!

mitchell_pgh · Apr 23, 2003, 01:21 PM

I'm sure that I will be the only one, but I'm actually happy to pay Apple $129 if they can offer the same level of upgrades that I received from the 10.1 to 10.2 bump, it's going to totally be worth it.

The 10.2 "upgrade" solidified my relation with my Mac and with Apple Computers in general. The applications were finally starting to show up. The OS was finally to a maturity level that satisfied my needs and it was prime time to buy a new computer.

Here we are a year later, and I'm just hoping that things keep going in the same direction. At least we have a solid OS base to work from (something we could never have said about OS 8 or OS 9). I'm sure 10.4 or whatever will continue improve upon the system, but I doubt I will be disappointed with the next upgrade regardless of price.

The people that are bitching about the $129 are probably the same people that will just download it... For me, a few extra bucks directly into Apples pockets won't kill me...

Axo1ot1 · Apr 23, 2003, 01:59 PM

I've always found that the best way to buy a new copy of the OS is to buy a new computer. I'm sure Apple would encourage this too

Mediaman_12 · Apr 23, 2003, 02:26 PM

Of corse 10.3 will be the full almost �100 (UKP), anybody thinking anything else is in dream world.

any coment about 'not requiring' the upgrade and compairing it to Windows is daft. M$ continue to supply patches for old versions of Windows (98's auto update was still picking stuff up until recently). Apple abandons old versions of the OS as soon as the Upgrade is out of the door.

Anomalous · Apr 23, 2003, 03:04 PM

It is unfortunate that you asked this question, because the people in this forum are apparently all very rich, and they flame you endlessly anytime you suggest that Apple should make reasonable upgrade prices. Since you need the latest OS to get the latest bugfixes and run the latest software, you are forced to upgrade. I think all the people here doing the flaming should offer to buy the upgrade for all of us that can't afford it, since they seem to think the price is so trivial.

calumr · Apr 23, 2003, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Anomalous:
Since you need the latest OS to get the latest bugfixes and run the latest software, you are forced to upgrade.

If you want the latest software you have to pay for it. If you wanted iChat (and Quartz Extreme etc), you had to pay for Jaguar. You cannot expect Apple to give you something for nothing. You can keep running your older version for as long as you want to and nothing will make it obsolete (in that it will stop functioning).

If you want to run software that requires 10.2, then tough. It's more than likely that it takes advantage of new technologies that just couldn't be hacked to work in 10.1.

Lastly, what bugfixes force you to upgrade? Yes, there are important security fixes that crop up every so often but AFAIK Apple has provided them for older versions of OS X. If you want the little performance improvements that will come in Panther - tough luck.

brainchild2b · 04:22 PM

It should be a closed discussion.

It's obviously too much for your sorry cheep *ss to afford. What's the big deal? If you don't want to buy it stick to your 10.2.

I hate cheep *ss, you ruin the world. Budget for computer supplies every year.

If you can't do that, take your computer, and give it to somebody else who's not such a cheep *ss

I hope Apple charges $500 so you can't afford it, and have to switch to Windows.

thesearcher · 04:59 PM

Originally posted by brainchild2b:
It should be a closed discussion.
...

>+ a rant about how cheap some people are.

This is the kind of attitude that puts me off. So in other words, people should be upgrading no matter what. I don't think so. I'll upgrade if I think it is worthwhile.

veldmon · Apr 23, 2003, 07:04 PM

This kind of thread makes me sick. Ever since the UNIX people started coming over to the Mac there has been this incessant whining about price.

Go back to your Lunix you cheap losers. I wish Apple would sync its' hardware and software pricing. 10.3 should cost around $999. We would get incredible quality then. If you want pathetic quantity or crap OSs go buy Windows or download Lunix. Otherwise, quit the whining!

spaced · Apr 23, 2003, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by veldmon:
This kind of thread makes me sick. Ever since the UNIX people started coming over to the Mac there has been this incessant whining about price.

Go back to your Lunix you cheap losers. I wish Apple would sync its' hardware and software pricing. 10.3 should cost around $999. We would get incredible quality then. If you want pathetic quantity or crap OSs go buy Windows or download Lunix. Otherwise, quit the whining!

ROFLMAO... oh lord... cheap losers... priceless!

DBvader · Apr 23, 2003, 09:41 PM

yeah, i think that it will be 129.99, becuase apple wants the yearly Os update.

its a good biz idea.

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ApeInTheShell · Apr 24, 2003, 01:53 AM

I suggest one thing:

piracy

It worked for 10.2 and it'll work for 10.3. Sure certain versions may make your computer inoperatable, but think of all the money you'll be saaving! The few, the proud, and sometimes idiotic mac pirates. arrrr!!

Adam Betts · Apr 24, 2003, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by Anomalous:
It is unfortunate that you asked this question, because the people in this forum are apparently all very rich, and they flame you endlessly anytime you suggest that Apple should make reasonable upgrade prices. Since you need the latest OS to get the latest bugfixes and run the latest software, you are forced to upgrade. I think all the people here doing the flaming should offer to buy the upgrade for all of us that can't afford it, since they seem to think the price is so trivial.

Your post is as lame as your signature is

coolmacdude · Apr 24, 2003, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by ApeInTheShell:
I suggest one thing:

piracy

It worked for 10.2 and it'll work for 10.3. Sure certain versions may make your computer inoperatable, but think of all the money you'll be saaving! The few, the proud, and sometimes idiotic mac pirates. arrrr!!

You bastard.

How dare you suggest that we take Apple's software they have worked hard on and pay them nothing for it. No wonder their OS sales are down since a**es like you came into the world.

tritonus · Apr 24, 2003, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by theory:
There is no reason to expect apple to give a free upgrade. So
expect to pay around the same as you payed for 10.2

What about this idea: Give 10.3 free for customers that bought a Mac in 2003. See those vouchers in your box?

Example: 17" PB received in April, 10.2 outdated in June (WWDC) already?

Diggory Laycock · Apr 24, 2003, 08:59 AM

Can I suggest a new forum - perennial threads.

Then admins could move threads like these into it.

Included in the forum would be such greats as

I hate Brushed Metal
Will Apple Charge for 10.x ?
Apple Charges too much for .mac / OS X / iLife
Why doesn't Apple port OS X to x86 ?

and

Gah! I just bought an x - And Apple just updated it the day after!

JLL · Apr 24, 2003, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by tritonus:
What about this idea: Give 10.3 free for customers that bought a Mac in 2003. See those vouchers in your box?

Example: 17" PB received in April, 10.2 outdated in June (WWDC) already?

Panther won't be released in June!

tritonus · Apr 24, 2003, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by JLL:
Panther won't be released in June!

Okay, a bit optimistic....

http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/

"Get an in-depth look at the future of the Mac platform and a preview release of the next major version of Mac OS X, codenamed "Panther", at Worldwide Developers Conference 2003, June 23-27, in San Francisco."

mmurray · Apr 24, 2003, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Diggory Laycock:
Can I suggest a new forum - perennial threads.

Then admins could move threads like these into it.

Included in the forum would be such greats as

I hate Brushed Metal
Will Apple Charge for 10.x ?
Apple Charges too much for .mac / OS X / iLife
Why doesn't Apple port OS X to x86 ?

and

Gah! I just bought an x - And Apple just updated it the day after!

LOL but you forgot:

Is 10.x snappier without the debug code ?

Michael

hudson1 · Apr 24, 2003, 12:29 PM

Lost among the bickering and ranting are some valid questions and opinions. Obviously the "dot dot x" releases are strictly bug fixes but it's not true that the "dot x" upgrades are strictly feature upgrades. There are plenty of bug fixes in those major upgrades too that never made it into the "dot dot x" releases.

For the most part, those bugs that are never fixed before a major upgrade are not cataclysmic in nature but then again, they never will be fixed for a user unless they opt to purchase a major upgrade. I think that's the reasoning why current owners of the most recent OS X version feel they should have some discount on a major upgrade. They're buying both new features and bug fixes, the latter implicitly should be without a charge.

typoon · Apr 24, 2003, 03:22 PM

This has been going on for ages. Everytime Apple comes up with a Major upgrade they charge for it.

schuey100 · Apr 24, 2003, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by brainchild2b:
It should be a closed discussion.

It's obviously too much for your sorry cheep *ss to afford. What's the big deal? If you don't want to buy it stick to your 10.2.

I hate cheep *ss, you ruin the world. Budget for computer supplies every year.

If you can't do that, take your computer, and give it to somebody else who's not such a cheep *ss

I hope Apple charges $500 so you can't afford it, and have to switch to Windows.

HAHAHAHA

Brilliant :0 hehe can't stop laughing :0

thesearcher · Apr 24, 2003, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by schuey100:
HAHAHAHA

Brilliant :0 hehe can't stop laughing :0

What it is is pathetic. What are we, in grade school?

Guy Incognito 2 · Apr 24, 2003, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by thesearcher:
What it is is pathetic. What are we, in grade school?

You are apparently.