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booboo · May 3, 2003, 04:08 PM

Help...

jfinete · May 3, 2003, 04:55 PM

If your Mac kernel panics that frequently, then the most likely explanation is defective RAM. If you've installed extra RAM in Mac, try removing it and using only the RAM that Apple included.

booboo · May 3, 2003, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by jfinete:
If your Mac kernel panics that frequently, then the most likely explanation is defective RAM. If you've installed extra RAM in Mac, try removing it and using only the RAM that Apple included.

It's not a KP in the sense that I don't get the KP screen. Just the SBOD. This time I was able to click on Entourage in the Dock and save a few mails I was writing. Then it froze completely.

I have added nothing hardware/software in the the last month, it was fine up until a few days ago...

booboo · May 4, 2003, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by booboo:
Help...

Just happened again

mattyd · May 4, 2003, 02:34 PM

are you doing anything specific when this happens?

the same thing used to happen to me all the time when using microsoft word -- specifically it would happen when i would open or save a document from a network drive.

Originally posted by booboo:
Just happened again

mattyd · May 4, 2003, 02:36 PM

also, the crash should get logged in your colsole log file. someone more versed in that stuff than i might be able to look at it for you and determine the cause.

booboo · May 6, 2003, 04:11 PM

I can't seem to find any crash logs that correspond ro my crashe. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places...

Anyway, I'm really fed up now. this has happened 3 more times.

It happens when I try to access speciic folders. I double click on the folder, which doesn't open, and instead I get SBOD.

Forever.

I lose keyboard control. I can click on other apps windows (but not in the Dock) and use those apps, i.e. Safari or Word. I can sometimes click Save but I can't click Save As... which calls up the Open/Save dialogue, as that puts that app into a spin too... I can't access any Finder functions or Open any apps from the Dock, and it's a case of pressing that power button on the front of my G4...

GENERAL_SMILEY · May 6, 2003, 04:36 PM

I suspect if you leave it for a while it may pull out of it - nothing may actually have crashed, it may just be the finder hanging, which would explain why when you try and 'save as' from other software it fails as it needs to use the finder too.

Obviously you don't want to do this as it's very boring to wait, in which case check out escape pod at Versiontracker - (I would post a link but versiontracker is so painfully slow it is a bit like the SBOD) - it lets you force quit any app at any stage.

Normally i find errors like this when accessing networked folders over appletalk or samba. Another thing you should look for is a corrupt file you may be attempting to copy - I have successfully consistently crashed every mac connected via appletalk and samba to a win2k server just by copying a corrupt TIF.

cpac · May 6, 2003, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by booboo:
It happens when I try to access speciic folders. I double click on the folder, which doesn't open, and instead I get SBOD.

have you run any sort of disk-repair recently? File corruption can cause all sorts of nasty problems.

Also, SBOD = screen blue of death? system bah of death? stupid bizniggity of death?

booboo · May 6, 2003, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by cpac:
have you run any sort of disk-repair recently? File corruption can cause all sorts of nasty problems.

Also, SBOD = screen blue of death? system bah of death? stupid bizniggity of death?

Spinning Ball Of Death, I should've explained.

Yes, I've booted up from 10.2 CD and run repair utilities, including permissions.

I've booted up in 9 and run Norton on all my disks, including Check for defective media. Took hours. No problems, apart from the usual bundle bits, etc.,

10.2.6 didn't fix it!

Toyin · May 6, 2003, 05:54 PM

Have you changed anything in directory access?

If not, I'd pull your Library folder ~/Library out and put it on the desktop. Log out and back in. OSX will create a new Library folder with fresh preferences. If everything's good, then you've got a corrupt preference. Start adding them back slowly and you may find the culprit.

cpac · May 6, 2003, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by booboo:
Spinning Ball Of Death, I should've explained.

Yes, I've booted up from 10.2 CD and run repair utilities, including permissions.

I've booted up in 9 and run Norton on all my disks, including Check for defective media. Took hours. No problems, apart from the usual bundle bits, etc.,

10.2.6 didn't fix it!

Well if it's not corruption, it's bad software or hardware somewhere.

The only freezes like that that I ever got were bizarre freeze-on-quit bugs that showed up in some builds of OmniWeb. i think they were related to OW's interaction with java and in turn with Acquisition. I never got a repeatable scenario though. Use both those apps?

kbata · May 6, 2003, 09:55 PM

It sounds like a RAM problem. My B&W started having freezes and after removing different sticks of RAM the freezes went away. Another thing you could try is to set up another user and see how it works from that. Sometimes Pref files get corrupt just like in 9.

booboo · 09:54 AM

Originally posted by cpac:

The only freezes like that that I ever got were bizarre freeze-on-quit bugs that showed up in some builds of OmniWeb. i think they were related to OW's interaction with java and in turn with Acquisition. I never got a repeatable scenario though. Use both those apps?

No neither.

booboo · May 8, 2003, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by Toyin:
Have you changed anything in directory access?

If not, I'd pull your Library folder ~/Library out and put it on the desktop. Log out and back in. OSX will create a new Library folder with fresh preferences. If everything's good, then you've got a corrupt preference. Start adding them back slowly and you may find the culprit.

I've changed nothing and I will try this.

Meanwhile it's happened again.

Right now.

My Dock has frozen, CPU monitor frozen, Finder frozen, but I can type this...

If anyone's online... any suggestion...?

escapod is installed, but it just allows me to foce quit the various layers until I end up with a blank, blue screen.

Great!

Anyone...?

Before I hit the power button...?

andretan · May 8, 2003, 09:59 AM

How much RAM do you have dude?

Maybe the apps are outta memory, so everything's just crawling to a halt.

booboo · May 8, 2003, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by andretan:
How much RAM do you have dude?

Maybe the apps are outta memory, so everything's just crawling to a halt.

No it's been like this 15 Minutes!

PowerMac G4 533 DP 768 MN RAM

I'm going to wait as long as I can before i hit the power button, in case anyone can help me get to the bottom of this.... I could even borrow a friend's TiBook and login from that - if I knew what i was doing...

booboo · May 8, 2003, 11:32 AM

OK

Force shutdown #12 coming up... 10 more minutes...anyone?