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Pretzel · May 21, 2003, 01:22 AM

If one wanted to do the complete fix for their OSX system is there an proper sequence/order to perform them

CharlesS · May 21, 2003, 02:24 AM

Prebind: not really necessary

Defrag: same thing as optimize; some may argue that it's not really necessary either

So, your options are either just defrag or nothing.

typoon · May 21, 2003, 09:45 AM

My sequence I feel this is the propr sequence IMO.

1. Run Diskwarrior
2. Run Drive 10 (until TTP4 comes out) To optimize the drive
3. repair permissions
4. reboot

wataru · May 21, 2003, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by CharlesS:
Defrag: same thing as optimize; some may argue that it's not really necessary either

No, they're not the same. What most apps call "optimize" is really an FS consistency check, not defragmentation. For example, DiskWarrior "optimizes," but does not defrag.

And both are just as necessary in OS X as OS 9. Enabling journaling will help with FS consistency, but there is nothing special about OS X that prevents fragmentation.

suthercd · May 21, 2003, 11:10 AM

Reboot in single user mode. Hold command-s after the chime. Enter /sbin/fsck -y at the prompt, repeat until no errors. Enter reboot.

Run Repair Permissions from Disk Utility.

Craig

typoon · May 21, 2003, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by suthercd:
Reboot in single user mode. Hold command-s after the chime. Enter /sbin/fsck -y at the prompt, repeat until no errors. Enter reboot.

Run Repair Permissions from Disk Utility.

Craig

I thought it automatically runs and fsck when you boot up if it wasn't properly shutdown.

tooki · May 21, 2003, 11:51 AM

It does.

Besides, fsck is (for HFS/HFS+) nothing more than -- surprise!! -- Disk First Aid.

Some people seem to think that fsck is some kind of miracle cure while at the same time dismissing Disk First Aid.

Neither one does the job of DiskWarrior.

tooki

SMacTech · May 21, 2003, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by tooki:
It does.

Besides, fsck is (for HFS/HFS+) nothing more than -- surprise!! -- Disk First Aid.

Some people seem to think that fsck is some kind of miracle cure while at the same time dismissing Disk First Aid.

Neither one does the job of DiskWarrior.

tooki

FWIW, I have had fsck fix things that Disk First Aid wouldn't fix. I don't know if it was because of files in use or what, but I now resort to single user start-up and fsck my disks.
Too bad one should have to buy a 3rd party tool like DW to fix OS issues. DW rocks !

typoon · May 21, 2003, 02:46 PM

Even if using fsck EVERYONE should still have a copy of DiskWarrior.

CharlesS · May 21, 2003, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
No, they're not the same. What most apps call "optimize" is really an FS consistency check, not defragmentation. For example, DiskWarrior "optimizes," but does not defrag.

And both are just as necessary in OS X as OS 9. Enabling journaling will help with FS consistency, but there is nothing special about OS X that prevents fragmentation.

The word optimization, when used generally, usually means disk optimization. Now, if you specifically say directory optimization, then you have a point, but this poster didn't.

Anyway, I consider DiskWarrior's directory optimization to be secondary. Its primary purpose, and the reason why you run it, is repair/preventative maintenance. I couldn't care less whether my directory is optimized or not, but I like to keep it from getting corrupted.

Brazuca · May 21, 2003, 07:07 PM

Weren't there some issues with data loss/damage caused by DiskWarrior? I'm not sure but I _think_ that I read this.

Millennium · May 21, 2003, 07:41 PM

If you have DiskWarrior and PlusOptimizer (which, sadly, still runs only in OS9, and DW3 doesn't come with it anymore), the best way to go is this:

0) Repair disk permissions. Good idea to do this on a regular basis anyway, thus the 0.
1) Use DiskWarrior to optimize the drive.
2) Use PlusOptimizer to defragment the drive.
3) Use DiskWarrior to optimize the drive again (the first time was to minimize the potential damage from PlusOptimizer).
4) There is no Step 4, if you're running Jaguar. Otherwise, prebind everything on the drive.

Under Jaguar, applications are automatically prebound when you run them if they aren't prebound already, so there's no need to do the whole drive at once; they will re-prebind themselves when you first use them after the defrag.

Pretzel · May 22, 2003, 03:34 AM

Thanks for the feedback

One further question: Is The defrag ability of Drive 10.1.4 less or equal to that of PlusOptimiser?

typoon · May 22, 2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Pretzel:
Thanks for the feedback

One further question: Is The defrag ability of Drive 10.1.4 less or equal to that of PlusOptimiser?

Probably about the same.

PLus Optimzer is only an OS 9 app Drive 10 isn't that's the only draw back to Plus Optimizer

mrmister · May 22, 2003, 02:11 PM

DiskWarrior is the closest thing to an infallible app I know of...it has saved so many asses that it boggles my mind.

CharlesS · May 22, 2003, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Pretzel:
Thanks for the feedback

One further question: Is The defrag ability of Drive 10.1.4 less or equal to that of PlusOptimiser?

Drive10's defrag is slow as molasses.

typoon · May 22, 2003, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by mrmister:
DiskWarrior is the closest thing to an infallible app I know of...it has saved so many asses that it boggles my mind.

I'll second that. DiskWarrior has saved my Ass countless times. Each time it does you realise it is worth every penny you paid for it. Actually the first time is saves your ass you realize it was worth the money you paid.