[booboo]

My OS X problems persist.

1. My machine freezes up completely when I try to access certain folders (especially those with a large number of items in them). There are certain folders I look in only as a last resort. There would appear to be no disk corruption issues.

2. The other day almost all my OS X programs crashed on me, in a cascade. although strangely not Classic. I took a screen shot... quite amusing really, but since then....

3. Classic refuses to boot! I have 3 different Classic installations on 3 differennt drives. 9.1, 9.2 and 9.2.1 None of them will launch, all give this error:

An error was encountered while attempting to update your system folder with Classic-specific resources. [Quit]

The only other thing I've done is replace the original Radeon with a Radeon 9000...

Apart from that, OS X chugs along quite nicely, and i really love my G4 533/DP - DP all the way...:-) But I wish I could get to the bottom of these little problems.

[wulf]

Have you tried all the usual supects, e.g. fsck, repairing disk permissions, update prebinding, etc.?

What system version are you running?

Also, I was under the impression that 9.2.2 was the best version to run for Classic compatibility with Jaguar (but not for any other reason...)

[booboo]

Yes, I tried all the Usual Suspects...


Can anyone make any sense of the coreservicesd.crash.log?

specifically:

Date/Time: 2003-06-11 00:56:16 +0100
OS Version: 10.2.6 (Build 6L60)
Host: Booboos-Computer.local.

Command: coreservicesd
PID: 334

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x6897f030

Thread 0 Crashed:
#0 0x9024d59c in _FreeSegGetLength
#1 0x68617032 in 0x68617032
#2 0x90275cc8 in _CSStoreAllocBytes
#3 0x902638a8 in CSStoreReallocUnit
#4 0x9280cf38 in CSDataMapAddRefForToken
#5 0x9280a1a0 in _LSInsertClaimMapRefForToken
#6 0x9280ab88 in _LSReceiveBundleRegistration
#7 0x92818178 in _LSReceiveRegistration
#8 0x00107c28 in _LS_server_Register
#9 0x001076b8 in _XRegister
#10 0x00107b54 in LSPlugin_server
#11 0x90245398 in __SKMultiDemux
#12 0x90031c24 in mach_msg_server
#13 0x000035a4 in 0x35a4
#14 0x00003a38 in 0x3a38
#15 0x00002d04 in 0x2d04
#16 0x00002b84 in 0x2b84

Thread 1:
#0 0x90073c28 in mach_msg_trap
#1 0x90005f70 in mach_msg
#2 0x901489f0 in __CFRunLoopRun
#3 0x90180f58 in CFRunLoopRunSpecific
#4 0x90148240 in CFRunLoopRun
#5 0x000037ec in 0x37ec
#6 0x90020d28 in _pthread_body

Thread 2:
#0 0x9003ea88 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003e8a4 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x90190c88 in DNSecondaryQueueGetRetainedNote
#3 0x90190d68 in DNTalkToClients
#4 0x90020d28 in _pthread_body

PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x9024d59c srr1: 0x0200d030 vrsave: 0x00000000
xer: 0x00000000 lr: 0x90257a38 ctr: 0x90263724 mq: 0x00000000
r0: 0x68617032 r1: 0xbffff4a0 r2: 0x88000444 r3: 0x00368000
r4: 0x68617030 r5: 0xbffff550 r6: 0xbffff5c0 r7: 0xbffff654
r8: 0xbffff580 r9: 0x335f6465 r10: 0x0036001c r11: 0x00000000
r12: 0x90263724 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000000
r16: 0x000ff024 r17: 0xbffff790 r18: 0xbffff654 r19: 0x00000000
r20: 0x00001e50 r21: 0x0036ad60 r22: 0x00000118 r23: 0xbffff550
r24: 0x00000000 r25: 0x00007b88 r26: 0x00001e54 r27: 0xb8c6b28b
r28: 0x00368000 r29: 0x68617030 r30: 0x00010000 r31: 0x9280a35c

[Gul Banana]

Sounds very much like a memory error, especially the crashlog.

[booboo]

Originally posted by Gul Banana:
Sounds very much like a memory error, especially the crashlog.

I'm not convinced that it is. I mean it happens when I access certain folders in certain locations, which would make me think of disk media corruption, or file system problems, but none of these are reported either by fsck or booting into 9 and running Norton....

[sbjordal]

Originally posted by booboo:
I'm not convinced that it is. I mean it happens when I access certain folders in certain locations, which would make me think of disk media corruption, or file system problems, but none of these are reported either by fsck or booting into 9 and running Norton....

Have you run the Hardware test cd that came with the computer? Have you reinstalled the OS to eliminate the OS as a culprit?

[boardsurfer]

Sorry, nothing to contribute, but that screenshot is hilarious.

[booboo]

Originally posted by sbjordal:
Have you run the Hardware test cd that came with the computer? Have you reinstalled the OS to eliminate the OS as a culprit?

I will run the Hardware Test. Not convinced of its usefulness.

Re-installing the OS is a major hassle, and an absolute last resort. IMHO it takes at least a day to get 95% of everything back, and there will still be some app screaming for authorization, or a lost serial number....

I wonder if anyone could look at my kexts and point a finger...?

[booboo]

I
I wonder if anyone could look at my kexts and point a finger...?

InternalModemSupport.kext
ImmersionForceFeedback.kext
IOBluetoothHIDDriver.kext
IOBluetoothFamily.kext
IOAudioFamily.kext
ATIRadeonGLDriver
ATIRadeonGA
AppleMIDIUSBDriver.plugin
AppleMIDIFWDriver.plugin
ATIRadeon9700GA.plugin
ATIRadeon9700DVDDriver.bundle
AppleRAID.kext
AppleGPIO.kext
UltraTek100.kext
udf.kext
System.kext
AppleLED.kext
AppleADBButtons.kext
Apple_DEC21x4Ethernet.kext
ATIRageProGA
ATIRagePro
GeForce3GLDriver
GeForce2MXGLDriver
DCPModemSupport.kext
CMD646Root.kext
PPPoE.ppp
PPP.kext
PACESupport
IOATAPIProtocolTransport.kext
IOATAFamily.kext
AppleKiwiRoot.kext
ICAFWKodakProDriver.kext
ICAClassicNotSeizeDriver.kext
I2CGPIO.kext
AppleAirPort.kext
AppleAirPort2.kext
AppleDallasDriver.kext
AppleCuda.kext
ApplePCCard16ATA.kext
AppleOnboardDisplay.kext
CMD646ATA.kext
cddafs.kext
BootCache.kext
IOHIDFamily.kext
IOHDIXController.kext
AppleMacRISC2PE.kext
AppleLynx.kext
AppleFPButton.kext
AppleFan.kext
msdosfs.kext
MacIOGPIO.kext
LogitechUSBHIDevices.kext
AppleBCM5701Ethernet.kext
ATIRage128DVDDriver
ATIRage128
webdav_fs.kext
VirtualAudioDriver.kext
UltraTek66.kext
LogitechForceFeedback.kext
KeyLargoATA.kext
iPodDriver.kext
ACard62xxM.kext
NVDAResman
NVDANV20Hal
IOStorageFamily.kext
IOSerialFamily.kext
ApplePMU.kext
ApplePCCardATA.kext
GeForce
EmagicXSKey.kext
AppleCPUThermo.kext
AppleCore99PE.kext
AppleKiwiATA.kext
IOFireWireAVCLib.plugin
IOFireWireAVC.kext
AppleSCCSerial.kext
AppleSCCIrDA.kext
AppleMesh.kext
AppleMediaBay.kext
AppleGossamerPE.kext
AppleGMACEthernet.kext
AppleRS574Serial.kext
ApplePMUPCCardEject.kext
DVFamily.bundle
DigiIO.kext
DigiDal.kext
IOATABlockStorage.kext
InternalUSBModem
AppleAltiVecDVDDriver
AppleAirPortFW.kext
AppleMacRiscPCI.kext
AppleLM87.kext
AppleLM7x.kext
AppleBMacEthernet.kext
Adaptec78XXSCSI.kext
Adaptec39160
PPPSerial.ppp
AppleIntel8255x.kext
AppleI2C.kext
AudioDeviceTreeUpdater.kext
ATTOExpressPCI.kext
ATIRadeon8500DVDDriver
ATIRadeon8500
ATIRadeon
IOGraphicsFamily.kext
IOFireWireSerialBusProtocolTransport.kext
IOFireWireSBP2Lib.plugin
AppleKeyswitch.kext
ATIRage128GLDriver
ATIRage128GA
HeathrowATA.kext
GeForceGA
AppleADBKeyboard.kext
AppleADBDisplay.kext
IODVDStorageFamily.kext
IOCDStorageFamily.kext
AppleLSIFusionMPT.kext
AppleLMUController.kext
AppleUSBAudio.kext
AppleThermal.kext
AppleADBMouse.kext
ATIRadeonDVDDriver
ATIRadeon9700GLDriver.bundle
IOPCCardFamily.kext
IONetworkingFamily.kext
AppleUSBIrDA.kext
AppleUSBDisplays.kext
AppleFWOHCI.kext
AppleFWAudio.kext
IOSCSIParallelFamily.kext
IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily.kext
IOPCIFamily.kext
IOFireWireSBP2.kext
IOFireWireFamily.kext
AppleSym8xx.kext
AppleStorageDrivers.kext
Apple16X50Serial.kext
AppleADM103x.kext
Adaptec29160x
Adaptec290X-2930
AppleCore99NVRAM.kext
ATIRadeon9700.kext
ATIRadeon8500GLDriver
ATIRadeon8500GA
AppleHeathrow.kext
AppleGracklePCI.kext
AppleOnboardAudio.kext
AppleNDRV
IONDRVSupport.kext
IOHIDSystem.kext
ACard68xxM.kext
ACard671xSCSI.kext
AppleKeyLargo.kext
AppleKauaiATA.kext
AppleMPIC.kext
AppleMLANAudio.kext
AppleVSP.kext
AppleVIA.kext
AppleUSBProKeyboard.kext
UltraTek33.kext
UltraTek133.kext
NVDANV10Hal
NKEMgr.kext
IPFirewall.kext
IOUSBMassStorageClass.kext
IOUSBFamily.kext
AppleHWSensor.kext
AppleHWClock.kext
smbfs.kext
SharedIP.kext
PPTP.ppp

[icruise]

I've had the "all applications die in a row" thing happen to me a couple of times. You don't know whether to laugh or cry as each message proclaims "the system and other applications are unaffected."

[Geobunny]

May be entirely unrelated, but you don't seem to have a driver installed for the Radeon 9000. If so, it could be the memory problem is coming from VRAM, not RAM.

[booboo]

Originally posted by Geobunny:
May be entirely unrelated, but you don't seem to have a driver installed for the Radeon 9000. If so, it could be the memory problem is coming from VRAM, not RAM.

I noticed that too - although I did run the ATI 9000 installer....

But these problems started before the arrival of that card.

I will run the installer again...

[booboo]

Originally posted by booboo:
I noticed that too - although I did run the ATI 9000 installer....

Update: I don't think there are specific Radeon 9000 drivers - it appears to use the 8500 ones, and they would seem to be installed.

Correct me if I'm wrong....

[Appleman]

Originally posted by Icruise:
I've had the "all applications die in a row" thing happen to me a couple of times. You don't know whether to laugh or cry as each message proclaims "the system and other applications are unaffected."

Me too, but it happened out of the blue (well, it seems to me that way) and it doesn't occur everyday, maybe three times a year or so. But yes, it's an example that feedback to the user in a text format can be quite silly.
In OS 9 I once had the error [ "No error" OK ]

[booboo]

I've just frozen, trying to open a folder. (Spinning beachball)

The Dock has frozen with one item's icon in a magnified state. Spinning beachball on mouseover.

I can't use any part of any app that might need to access the file-system, i.e. I can't navigate or Load/Save.

All I can do is switch between currently open app's (except Finder wondows) by clicking on a window belonging to that app. Command Tab doesn't work.

I'm sure if the Terminal had already been running I would have been able to switch to it and use it... would I have been able to discover anything about the state of my machine, and what has happened to cause this problem?

[wadesworld]

See my post on "beach balls and the Finder".

Do you have any Firewire drives by chance?

Wade

[booboo]

Originally posted by wadesworld:
See my post on "beach balls and the Finder".

Do you have any Firewire drives by chance?

Wade

I have a FireWire CD writer. Last time The Freeze happened, unplugging this didn't have any affect.

But thanks for trying

[booboo]

I think all that's left is to re-install the System. Something I'm not too happy about having to do.

One last shot. I would like to remove everything from the System that is non-standard, i.e. any 3rd party drivers (my logitech mouse) and any haxies that may hack into the system in a potentially problem-causing way.

So thius means going through kexts in System/Library.

Are there any other places system hacks and extensions might reside (or hide)?

[cLouD[x]]

Have you tried Diskwarrior? OS 9 or OS X versions doesn't matter

[booboo]

Originally posted by cLouD[x]:
Have you tried Diskwarrior? OS 9 or OS X versions doesn't matter

I don't have Diskwarrior, but Norton (when booted in 9 - the X version causes more harm than good) reports nothing unusual amiss.