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Hopefully this will warrant a new thread, especially since the keynote is over now and the sticky threads were just a measure to keep the forums up. I think we can return to normal form now.

I'm installing Panther as we speak and will update as the installation and first impressions come in, with lots of details and screenshots.

My computer is a 17" PowerBook with stock RAM (512 MB) and 60 GB HD. I had about 10 GB free HD space when I started.

After doing a long backup of my application and User folder I burned my two images that clocked in at about a gigabyte of HD-space.

I chose an archive install and got a first look at Panther. The aqua is not really that different, it's just more refined. The titlebar is smoother and the stripes hardly visible, yet they are there. Very slick really. It's definitly same old aqua we know and love.

It started out checking my harddrive for faults and are now into the installation process. About 10 minutes since I started installing it.

I'm installing it with Norwegian as a main language so I can gauge how far they are into the localization-process.

About 16 minutes left on disk 1... stay tuned.

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About 15-20 minutes out in the installer my powerbook rebooted in 640x480. A first glimpse at the boot-image which looks almost identical to jaguar, the new X logo is ugly IMHO. Asked for CD 2, put it in and after a brief moment it installs.

Seems to contain mostly localization files and printer drivers.

[Judge_Fire]

Oooh, I'm glued to the screen.

But it's a sunny day outside.

panther
sunny day
panther
sunny day

ow my brain hurts



J

[sideus]

Hrm, I can't seem to download disk 2

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The installer is at v1.1 if anyone cares. It still contains the old Aqua-CD style background.

The menus are super-nice, I had forgotten all about menu separator and they look great in Aqua.

Character pallette (previously found in the "flag-menu") is now located at the bottom of the edit-menu and is called Special Characters... It actually works while the installer is progressing! The tabs are now buttons instead. Well, more like the hot news-line on Apple.com actually. Looks good. It also contains a flip down called Font Variation which lets you see how the character looks in various fonts. (Was that there before?)

Anyway, it was something to play with during installation. Heh.

[kelix]

threads already exist for this!

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Originally posted by Judge_Fire:
Oooh, I'm glued to the screen.

But it's a sunny day outside.

panther
sunny day
panther
sunny day

I hear you. I've actually scheduled a shopping date outside in the nice sun after work. Shopping with a girl - panther... hmmm!

Installer now installs Additional Applications from Disc 2. So it can seem that more important stuff where on disc 2 this time than on Jaguar.

I got both my discs in one bittorrent btw. It was wicked fast and I woke up this morning with Panther on my laptop. Sweet

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Originally posted by kelix:
threads already exist for this!

I know. Read my first paragraph. I felt the need for a real-time experience with Panther-thread as opposed to cluttering existing threads with it. Your opinions may vary though.

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Ack! I really wish I had remembered to customize my install, the language packs take forever. I always forget that

It now says it installs AdditionalPackages.mpkg

and Finishing installation! Yay!

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Finally! Optimizing my volume now.

You may be interested in the Apple menu, it reads:

?
About This Mac
Software Update... (Nice)
Mac OS X Software...
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System Preferences... (Still no OS 9 style menu here)
Dock ›
Location ›
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Recent Items ›
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Force Quit...
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Sleep
Restart...
Shut Down...
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Log Out System Administrator... (Nice touch)

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And reboot! The login-panel is beautiful!

Grey centered apple on top, Mac OS X in Myriad and machine name below. The users are presented in a sunken down well like you've seen in the exposé-screenshot. Buttons are really classy!

Resolution still not fixed though

Logged in now. All metal finder. Not sure what to think about that yet.

Back to 1440x900. Same aqua blue background. Dock is completely unchanged at first glance. Retains my user settings, even my preference for graphite

Text anti-aliasing looks a bit crude on top of the metal windows. The metal seems a bit odd I guess. All my finder window toolbar icons are still there. The new sidebar looks cool to me. Nice touch with the eject button next to the CD. Gotta go play now.

[Cipher13]

Got a screenshot of the login window?

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Ooh. The finder toolbar is completely customizable and you can add all the old buttons (home folder items need to be added as folders though as they are autmaticly included in sidebar from the start). You can now add flexible spacing! Yay!

Metal makes the title of the window appear lost in a sea of metal though. Wish they could refine that somewhat.

I'm getting the feeling I'll love the sidebar a lot, I dropped my download-folder there and I can use that as a start for my column view. Fantastic!

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Oddness ensues if you show the computer in the second to leftmost frame in colum view though. Looks horribly redundant.

[Logic]

SCREENSHOTS!!!!

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Screenshots of the login-panel is horribly akward to get. I'll do other screenshots now, will give me a great way to test out finder-FTP.

If anybody knows how to mount a server on my network in Panther I'd like to know. I can't even place an alias from the network-browsing (which by the way works great!) into the sidebar. Icky. Connect to server is there but only allows me to type in an address, clicking browse just takes me to the network-browsing in finder...odd.

Safari is acting really weird with the smooth-scrolling. Heh. And already in this text-box I encountered my first bug, text would just disappear and I had to select all to view it.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
Screenshots of the login-panel is horribly akward to get.

Surely you have a digital camera?

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OK, here's the first few screenies, they are mix of Norwegian and English (apparently localization wasn't that far anyway). But screenies after this will be english only.

FTP in finder do NOT support writing, but at least it doesn't crash my finder.

I did manage to crash finder once, and when I hit relaunch it did. Instantly. I've never seen ANY app launch that fast. Click there it is!

Network status

Network Ethernet

Network browsing in finder

Save dialog

[Logic]

Linky not worky for me


edit: It does now, thanks

[Diggory Laycock]

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
Ooh. The finder toolbar is completely customizable and you can add all the old buttons (home folder items need to be added as folders though as they are autmaticly included in sidebar from the start). You can now add flexible spacing! Yay!

hooray!

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
Metal makes the title of the window appear lost in a sea of metal though. Wish they could refine that somewhat.

absoutely agree - there is no way to differentiate titlebar from toolbar - As in iSync - means you often try and drag the window - but fail because you are not actually dragging the title-bar.

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
I'm getting the feeling I'll love the sidebar a lot, I dropped my download-folder there and I can use that as a start for my column view. Fantastic!

[Diggory Laycock]

New network pref looks nice - I especially like the new tabs.

[Zadian]

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
Ooh. The finder toolbar is completely customizable and you can add all the old buttons (home folder items need to be added as folders though as they are autmaticly included in sidebar from the start). You can now add flexible spacing! Yay!

Can you post a screenshot of the customised Finder window? Can apps be placed in the toolbar?

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Ah! Not enough time to play with all these screenshots in the making: (but I'll know you'll love me for it )

Here's a bunch of updated and new system preferences:

Software Update Of note: Download important updates in background

Security

Print & Fax

Customizable keyboard shortcuts!

iDisk iDisk syncing!

Desktop & Screen Saver (note speling error )

Login options, enable Fast User Switching!
This is nothing short of amazing. My girlfriend is going to love me for this (she paid 40% of the PB). Transition is super-smooth and mind-bending. You can even go straight to login window (still no screenshot of that one though, no camera here either )

And finally exposé in action. Note that it also grabs DragThing

Other things I've noted:
NO showstopping bugs, but a few glitches. It looks like I can live with this day to day. Nothing is broken, not DragThing, not Default Folder, not Photoshop. Of course, I've spent most of the time working for you, but so far so excellent.

KeyCaps is now a character pallette, this I've wanted for a while. It will be more useful now. The flag-menu is now moved to the right where it belongs.

Preview defaults to Zoom image to fit screen. This can be turned off in preferences.

It has retained all my keychains

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Originally posted by Zadian:
Can you post a screenshot of the customised Finder window? Can apps be placed in the toolbar?

Ask and ye shall receive. You can customize till you drop!

Custom finder

[Zadian]

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
Ask and ye shall receive. You can customize till you drop!

Custom finder

Thank you very much :-)

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Well well well! I have done my first real paying work with Panther. Converting an RGB image to CMYK tiff, all while demonstrating how easy exposé works! Thanks Panther

Another nice feature is all the subtle GUI eye candy. In system preferences the panels both zoom to fit and fade at the same time. It's really fast and slick. And when dragging a group of files to a folder all ghosts will drop at the same point, like they were to gravitate to where you let go of the button. Sweet

[b3t4]

How fast is exposé working???

can you please mount a server on your PB and then close it and disconnect it??? what will happen???Is RainbowBrite coming or did they finally fix that???


thanks

beta

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Originally posted by b3t4:
How fast is exposé working???

can you please mount a server on your PB and then close it and disconnect it??? what will happen???Is RainbowBrite coming or did they finally fix that???

Exposé works instantly. In fact the whole OS works instantly. I can finally say that it feels every bit as fast as Mac OS 9 was - especially the menus. No delays!

I still haven't figured out how to actually mount servers. Just browse them in network. What is the correct URL for an afp-server? afp://local/?

Waking from sleep is faster than ever! The 17" was a bit slower when waking up than my 15" was, no more!

[blackbird_1.0]

the appearances preferences? just accents(a la aqua/graphite) or more?

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Originally posted by blackbird_1.0:
the appearances preferences? just accents(a la aqua/graphite) or more?

Identical. Finder preferences are also identical.

The screenshots are of all the new or improved panels (as far as I could tell).

[Gee4orce]

Erik - thanks. Keep going !

When you fast-switch users, does it ask for a password ? I hope so.

Can you completely remove the resart/shutdown options (menu and login screen)? It would be nice if you could remove shutdown for non-admin users.

What happens if you restart the machine when another user session is also active ?

Requested screenshots: The scheduler, and the process viewer.

[Gee4orce]

Oh - and I really hope you can revert the Finder to non-brushed metal appearance. This is sacrilige !

[delete]

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
Ask and ye shall receive. You can customize till you drop!

Custom finder

So I take it you can still adjust the type size in column view? Have Names show on items dragged to the toolbar? Could you post a shot of the prefs for the Finder and/or column view?

Thanks

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Back from my first crash. I got the spinning sticks and was dumped to a blue screen where nothing happened for a while. I restarted.

So, what ISN'T new in DP1?

- Finder and apperance prefs are the same
- No new backgrounds nor sounds
- You still can't close minimized windows from dock
- iApps are the same
- QT looks roughly the same, but with iTunes-like buttons
- The dock is the same
- Menulings have the same functionality

More screenshots:

Finder preferences

Disk Utility

Fontbook 1

Fontbook 2

Fontbook 3

[Scifience]

Does anybody know how to change your home folder in Panther? Jobs mentioned something about putting Home folders on network shares and I wondered how I could do that.

I installed Panther on a second HD and want my Jaguar home folder to be the same as my Panther one.

Thanks!

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally posted by Gee4orce:
Erik - thanks. Keep going !

When you fast-switch users, does it ask for a password ? I hope so.

Can you completely remove the resart/shutdown options (menu and login screen)? It would be nice if you could remove shutdown for non-admin users.

What happens if you restart the machine when another user session is also active ?

Requested screenshots: The scheduler, and the process viewer.

It asks for password if you fast-switch users. You have to enter password of user you are switching to. If you try to restarrt with other users logged in, it gives you a diologue telling you that they may lose unsaved data if you restart. You have to enter administrator's password to restart anyway...

[b3b0p]

Does Finder still leave a trail of .DS_Store files every where you browse? This is truly annoying when mounting remote drives (like editing files on the webserver). This is the one thing I was hoping the most for in Panther.

Thanks,
Chris

[b3t4]

afp:/at/FileSharingName:Macintosh%20Net

macintosh net is the apple talk zone here. so if you are on your home network you should write it like this:

afp:/at/FileSharingName

i also succeeded in doing it like this:

afp://FileSharingName


but try around.

thanks for testing erik.

beta

[Gee4orce]

Originally posted by Mrjinglesusa:
You have to enter administrator's password to restart anyway...

Fantastic !

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Guess that answers your questions Gee4orce

Oh, no visible way to switch finder back normally. I guess you could always edit it's nib or something.

More screenshots:

Activity Monitor

System Profiler

Darwin Ports - Found this in my utility folder.

Where and what is the Scheudler?

Here's some of my new favorite features:

35 pass secure delete

File select - Files stay selected across multiple windows and the desktop

[Gee4orce]

Can you demo the Finder's find command ?

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Originally posted by Gee4orce:
Can you demo the Finder's find command ?

Well, it's kinda tricky without movement. It's better to explain it. It works exactly like iTunes filter. At default it's set to search your home-folder and that can be a bit slow, I switched it to selection instead (a whole lot more logical).

If you search a lot of stuff it will hang, and you won't even be able to type the next letter. While this happens, the sticks rotate down in the right corner. This will hopefully be sorted out come the release.

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Unfoggingbelieveable. Exposés shrunken windows are live. I saw chat messages come in in a teeny proteus-window. Awesome! (sorry to spoil that surprise )

[chris.p]

Using fontbook, does it auto- activate fonts if you have a document that has a font that you dont have activated? or activation on the fly- if you activate a font, will it show in open apps without restarting them? or can you even activate fonts individually, or 'collections' only? thanks for doing this!

[benb]

Ok Erik, here's my question. My copy of Panther should have "arrived" by the time I get home from work, and I am contemplating reformatting with 2 patitions, or just going all out Panther. So, is it stable enough for just 10.3 or should I set up 2 partitions, one for Jag an done for Panther? Nothing too critical on this machine, and of course I'll back up my data.

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally posted by benb:
Ok Erik, here's my question. My copy of Panther should have "arrived" by the time I get home from work, and I am contemplating reformatting with 2 patitions, or just going all out Panther. So, is it stable enough for just 10.3 or should I set up 2 partitions, one for Jag an done for Panther? Nothing too critical on this machine, and of course I'll back up my data.

BenB:

I recommend 2 partitions. Panther is PRE-beta software, SYSTEM software at that. I don't think it's anywhere near ready for primetime, hence Apple's "by end-of-year" comment. It seems OK to me, but I haven't done any labor intensive work, just email and web stuff. I simply installed it on my Classic partition of my Jaguar install and boot into it to play as necessary.

Cheers...

[Krypton]

Is file sharing improved in any way? I mean being able to share any folder you want instead of mucking around with drop boxes etc.

Any info appreciated ;o)

(Also, can we have a screenie of the print sheet please?)

[sbjordal]

i love this freaking thread. Keep it coming!!!
Fun to see the OS in the mother tongue :-)

[Scifience]

Windows Printer Sharing is BUILT IN for both directions!!!

[Sven G]

Erik, could you post a screenshot also of the Faxing part of the Print & Fax preference pane...? And what about DVD/CD burning? Any news?

So, no new features for the Dock: strange; hopefully they'll add something in the final Panther release (a "big surprise", maybe - who knows)...