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yoyoman · Jun 27, 2003, 05:21 PM

will panther be able to run on a g3 500 mhz

Also, will there be a upgrade. I have 10.2 upgrade etc that came with my computer. How come the g5 tower wont have panther with it starting.

JLL · Jun 27, 2003, 05:35 PM

Panther will run on any Mac that has a built in USB port.

Xeo · Jun 27, 2003, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by yoyoman:
will panther be able to run on a g3 500 mhz

Also, will there be a upgrade. I have 10.2 upgrade etc that came with my computer. How come the g5 tower wont have panther with it starting.

I would assume the requirements will stay the same for the OS. Certain things like fast user switching having the "box" transition will require Quartz Extreme, I assume.

It doesn't sound like an upgrade option will be available for purchase. The G5s will almost certainly have an upgrade option for $20 S&H. I don't think Panther will ship with the G5s because they start shipping in August and Panther is probably not coming until September (although I'm guessing about that).

Anyway, these are all guesses since I haven't been told by Apple any of these things.

mishap · Jun 28, 2003, 11:51 AM

After the keynote at the Apple store they said that Panther would be available in September

Powaqqatsi · Jun 28, 2003, 12:28 PM

Didn't they say end of the year for Panther ?

faragbre967 · Jun 28, 2003, 12:49 PM

I was at an Apple store yesterday and one of the guys in there said the G5's will not ship with Panther. He said G5's in August and Panther a little after, September I'm guessing.

tikki · Jun 28, 2003, 02:08 PM

I just hope there is an Up-To-Date program for Panther like Jag-wire.

I remember getting pleasently surprised with having the Jag-wire disc in the box with the 17" iMac. Just had to install it myself, but that was fine by me.

jguidroz · Jun 28, 2003, 02:17 PM

Panther runs fine on a B&W G3/300 with 256 MB of ram.

rozwado1 · Jun 28, 2003, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by jguidroz:
Panther runs fine on a B&W G3/300 with 256 MB of ram.

Impressive.

Mac007 · Jun 28, 2003, 02:54 PM

Panther will indeed run on Apple's new blank blank blank processor or the 'Triple B chip' code name T-Rex.

direktor · Jun 28, 2003, 04:03 PM

Panther has made my 550 Powerbook feel like a new machine. It's almost as much of a speed jump as 10.1 was to 10.2, except for some taks.

It's gonna be amazing on a G5.

gdiddy · Jun 28, 2003, 04:09 PM

I was quite impressed watching it run on a blueberry imac 350 with 192mb of ram. If this is the beta I can't wait till the final version comes out. Well worth the $129.

yoyoman · Jun 28, 2003, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by gdiddy:
I was quite impressed watching it run on a blueberry imac 350 with 192mb of ram. If this is the beta I can't wait till the final version comes out. Well worth the $129.

so speed wise on a g3 probely 20% to 30% increase. Was it more responsive. Less paging and delays?

Eriamjh · Jun 28, 2003, 07:33 PM

I think Apple dropped beige G3 support with this release. The next one (10.4) will probably be the RevA-D iMacs and possibly the non-firewire iBooks.

But that is speculation.

Apple officially lists the supported computers somewhere, but I can't find the link.

yoyoman · Jun 29, 2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Eriamjh:
I think Apple dropped beige G3 support with this release. The next one (10.4) will probably be the RevA-D iMacs and possibly the non-firewire iBooks.

But that is speculation.

Apple officially lists the supported computers somewhere, but I can't find the link.

So ibooks and imac's are ok with 500mhz or more. I hope this improves speeds by at least 10 to 25 %

tikki · Jun 29, 2003, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by yoyoman:
So ibooks and imac's are ok with 500mhz or more. I hope this improves speeds by at least 10 to 25 %

wanna pass me that crack pipe. I want to live in that fantasy world too

yoyoman · Jun 29, 2003, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by tikki:
wanna pass me that crack pipe. I want to live in that fantasy world too

what are you talking about. Crack pipe?!?!? that is so bad for your body. It was just a question any way.

Mac Write · Jun 30, 2003, 10:16 AM

It makes absolutlly no sense why Apple would drip support for the Beige G3, yet support the iMac A-D, and the B&W G3.

the B&W G3 is SLOWER then the 333mhz Beige G3, and the Beige G3 is faster then a 233mhz iMac. Someone said that Panther on there B&W 300mhz G3 is faster, so why drop support if Panther is faster? Can't be the video card since the Rev A iMac only has 2MB video RAM.

I personally have a Radeon Mac:Edition 32MB DDR in my Beige G3 along with 768MB RAM and 200GB HD space (with no IDE controller).

I can't wait for the new finder, it will dramaticly improve my workflow. I can't even afford to eat let alone have a savings. At this point I am years away from a new Mac, and am expecting support for Mac OS X through 10.5/2005 or 10.4 to be the last supported OS since THEN that will be the 5 year Mac since the last Beige G3 was sold.

JLL · Jun 30, 2003, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Mac Write:
It makes absolutlly no sense why Apple would drip support for the Beige G3, yet support the iMac A-D, and the B&W G3.

the B&W G3 is SLOWER then the 333mhz Beige G3, and the Beige G3 is faster then a 233mhz iMac. Someone said that Panther on there B&W 300mhz G3 is faster, so why drop support if Panther is faster?

They dropped OldWorld machines.

Originally posted by Mac Write:
At this point I am years away from a new Mac, and am expecting support for Mac OS X through 10.5/2005 or 10.4 to be the last supported OS since THEN that will be the 5 year Mac since the last Beige G3 was sold.

The Beige G3 went out of production in December 1998.

Panther will be released by the end of 2003 - there's your five years.

Mithras · Jun 30, 2003, 03:36 PM

It's the end of the line for my Powerbook Wallstreet, a 300Mhz machine that has served admirably up to now.

Bought for $2500 in April 1999, so I guess 4.5 years is a reasonable lifetime.

Because everyone's been saying that Panther runs faster on old machines, I'd have loved to see it on this machine, though. Especially since it will serve on as my home mp3 jukebox... oh well.

eyadams · Jun 30, 2003, 04:30 PM

Will it run on my 512ke? I'm getting pretty tired of System 3.3 / Finder 5.2, and really looking forward to this "multitasking" thing I keep hearing about. It sounds like DAs on steroids.

But seriously, I would like to see Panther on my Beige G3/500. I realize it's over five years old, but if Panther turns out to be the bee's knees I would buy it.

barbarian · Jun 30, 2003, 05:46 PM

Note that Panther doesn't seem to run with formac cards/ SGI flat panel monitors. You just get a blank grey screen. Jag runs just fine.

Eriamjh · Jun 30, 2003, 08:18 PM

No link yet, huh?

Speed has nothing to do with what is dropped and what is not. It has to do with "how much additional development" has to be done to support and older machine.

The iMac was the first of the new design. IDE bus, etc. Beige G3s were the last PowerMacs without USB, with SCSI, and without FW. The B&W G3s have everything except AGP and we all know how Quartz Extreme doesn't support it (without a hack).

5 years is pretty good for support especially if it still results in a speed bump. When was the last time a Windows release felt faster on old hardware?

OSX just gets better and better.

jessejlt · Jun 30, 2003, 08:30 PM

Well, here is the installation PDF from the Panther developer preview, perhaps it will help with your questions:

http://www.web.pdx.edu/~jesset/Read%...%20Install.pdf

jesse ;-)

Mike S. · Jul 1, 2003, 12:10 PM

I wouldn't worry too much about Apple dropping Beige support.

I'm running OS X on a PowerMac 8600 with a G3 upgrade thanks to XPostFacto.

There are a few things that aren't perfect but it beats the heck out of running Mac OS 9, it's perfectly stable and I've run every X.x update as if it were on a supported machine with no troubles at all.

Eriamjh · Jul 1, 2003, 09:13 PM

Actually, just because apple dropped "support" for the system doesn't mean it won't run on it.

It might mean you'll need a patch to install/run it, but someone out there will figure it out sooner or later.

It also means you should really upgrade your mac or stop trying to upgrade the OS.

C'mon, how many 68030 users out there are dying to use OS8?

Eriamjh · Jul 1, 2003, 09:19 PM

Actually, just because apple dropped "support" for the system doesn't mean it won't run on it.

It might mean you'll need a patch to install/run it, but someone out there will figure it out sooner or later.

It also means you should really upgrade your mac or stop trying to upgrade the OS.

C'mon, how many 68030 users out there are dying to use OS8?