[brainchild2b]

In mail.app for Jaguar (and even Panther) if you have a message that gets placed in your "Junk Mail" folder that is not junk and you click "not junk" shouldn't it automatically be moved back into my inbox? Why the heck would I want it to stay in my "Junk Mail" folder?

At least Apple should have an option for this.

When something in my inbox should have been marked "Junk" and I click "Junk" it moves to the "Junk Mail" folder. Shouldn't it do the reverse?

What do you think? And is there any easy way with rules I can set this up as a "hack" temporarily?

[Rainy Day]

Well, you are not alone. I too find this very annoying. We should probably report it to Apple as a bug on their feedback page.

[brainchild2b]

Would lots of people please report this to Apple? It needs fixed and without lots of people complaining it probably won't happen.

Feel free to copy past the text in the first post to save yourself time.

[snerdini]

I agree too, and will be sending feedback.

[Ozmodiar]

Off topic, but Rainy Day: it's more efficient to process hydrocarbons into hydrogen than it is water. So even if the U.S. switched over to a hydrogen-fuel economy today, we would still need to take everyone's oil.

Maybe 50 years down the road when everyone realizes what a great thing hydrogen fuel cells are, we'll start to get it from water.

[Rainy Day]

Oh, and while we're at it, two related feature requests:[list=1][*]With a modifier key such as "option," it would be nice if the "junk" button flagged the eMail as junk and transferred it to the trash (and of course clicking on "not junk" would automatically move it back to the InBox). Or perhaps this should merely be a preference setting. After all, if i'm punching the "Junk" button, i already know it's SPAM, why would i want to move it to the Junk folder? Most likely, i want to trash it at that point.
[*]Ability to place a "Junk/Not Junk" button on incoming mail windows (for those of us who normally use the two - rather than the default three - pane window format.)[/list=1]

And while we're making feature requests, the following Claris eMailer features would be nice to have too:[list=1][*]Previous and next button options in incoming mail windows (again for two pane users) to move to the previous/next message, and option clicking them would trash the current message in addition to moving to the next/previous message (in just the same way Claris eMailer used to do it). Note: Long/short header format of the window should be preserved when moving from message to message in this way; eMailer didn't do it this way and it was very annoying.
[*]Ability to select different signature defaults for each mail account. But going one step beyond what eMailer did, because signatures for personal use might not be appropriate for business use, etc., one should be able to create and specify signature pools (i.e. folders) and each account could point to a different pool from which to grab a random (or sequential) signature. But accounts could also share pools.
[*]After an eMail has been sent, the ability to add additional sendee's to it; hitting the send button only sends to those addressee's whose status is flagged "unsent." Also, the ability to toggle the sent/unsent status (all this in a similar way that eMailer did it).
[*]Ability to set separate/multiple schedules for each eMail account (e.g. the ability to check account A every five minutes, check account B every couple hours, and check account C every Monday, Wednesday and Friday at 11:47)
[*]Ability to run any schedule manually from a menu (and via an AppleScript)
[*]Ability to disable/enable all schedules via a single checkbox and/or menu option (and via an AppleScript call)
[*]AppleScript support as complete as eMailer.
[*]A script menu for invoking Mail.app specific AppleScripts. (I use the AppleScrip menulet, but Mail.app also needs its own script menu, as eMailer had [as an option], for Mail.app specific scripts... for faster access, and less clutter in the system-wide menulet.)[/list=1]Claris eMailer was a great product. Apple owns it. No reason why Mail.app shouldn't be as good as eMailer. Of course that would mean the NeXT boys admitting that NeXTMail wasn't as good, and hell doesn't seem likely to freeze over anytime soon, so i won't be holding my breath!

Ozmodiar: While it's true that hydrogen can be (and generally is today) extracted from hydrocarbons, that still pollutes and increases greenhouse gases, so there's not much point to extracting hydrogen fuel in this way, except to keep the oil companies profitable, and that can be done by giving them tax incentives to invest in hydrogen from water technology. While using hydrocarbons as a source appears "cheaper" than splitting water, it fails to factor in the true and complete costs, both economic and in human life, of wars for oil and global warming (the latter of which would include damage from severe weather, increased desertification, loss of food crops, lost real estate due to rising oceans, increase in cancers and other health problems, etc.) If either of these two were factored into the equation (along with their hidden costs), using water would be far cheaper. With hydrogen fuel, we have a most viable option of using water as the source. With gasoline, we have only the option of using hydrocarbons, forcing us into political conflict with hydrocarbon rich nations, and further increasing greenhouse gases. We don't have 50 years to wait; global warming and wars for oil are already here today. We should be doing absolutely everything possible to abate the upcoming environmental catastrophe (which will dwarf oil wars in terms of human suffering). The irony is the technology needed already exists today. Some pieces could/should be refined and made better, granted. Using fuel cells would be more efficient than burning hydrogen in internal combustion engines, but we can use existing technology today and would be much better off for it than "staying the hydrocarbon course." We need to be taking those steps now, today, and not put it off until later, when we're faced with an urgent crisis (although some would say the crisis is already upon us).

While this is an interesting topic worthy of further discussion, i will not comment on it further here, in an attempt to keep this thread on-topic.

[JLL]

Originally posted by Rainy Day:
Oh, and while we're at it, two related feature requests:[list=1][*]With a modifier key such as "option," it would be nice if the "junk" button flagged the eMail as junk and transferred it to the trash (and of course clicking on "not junk" would automatically move it back to the InBox). Or perhaps this should merely be a preference setting. After all, if i'm punching the "Junk" button, i already know it's SPAM, why would i want to move it to the Junk folder? Most likely, i want to trash it at that point.

Change the Junk rule to trash the mail instead then.

Originally posted by Rainy Day:
After an eMail has been sent, the ability to add additional sendee's to it; hitting the send button only sends to those addressee's whose status is flagged "unsent."

Use redirect.

[Rainy Day]

Thanks for the suggestions, but...

Change the Junk rule to trash the mail instead then.

No, having an out-of-your-face holding area for probable junk eMail is a good idea and i have no desire to circumvent it. If your probable junk eMail goes directly to the trash, then you can't "Erase Deleted Messages" without first checking to see if some of the files in the trash don't belong there (i.e. checking to see if legitimate eMail was wrongly flagged as Junk).

On a side note: I recently tried holding the option key down as i flagged an eMail as Junk, just to see if anything different would happen. The eMail went away and i can't find it now. It appears to have been immediately deleted, but i may have just lost track of it, so can't say for sure at this point. I'd prefer it just be placed in the Deleted mail folder rather than be immediatly incinerated, just in case i do so by accident.

Use redirect.

No, cause then you end up with two (or more) copies of the outgoing mail in your out basket. eMailer's way was much better, more user friendly, efficient, and quite frankly elegant.

One of eMailer's beauties was all the thought which went into the little details like this. Mail.app could use similar "attention to detail" and craftsmanship.

[brainchild2b]

About the stupid hydrogen post. Go away and never return. Hydrogen is very dangerous even if you don't believe it. Maybe in 20 years it will be considered like gasoline. But even now hydrogen buses can explode, even the "really safe" ones. What does your country do that is so special that America is stealing all the oil.

Don't give me crap about Americans using so much resources, or being unfrugal. It's the rich Americans who feed the hungry, give money to starving countries, and can afford to pay your stupid bills. I know it's an elitist attitude, but I WORK my ass off for every damn cent I've made. And I probably have donated more money than most people make in 5 years. I put in half me week helping people from other countries who can't afford the basics. Many who are from Iraq. While it may seem cruel that people die, bagdad gets ruined, or things are messy those people will be better off. I spend all day interviewing iraqis for a living and if you see and hear the things I do you'd have signed up and joined the war over there.

People get killed in war it's not pretty. But in 5 years we'll have saved 500,000 people from being raped, tortured, or having to watch their 5 year old strung up from city light poles. When we decided to go to war it was planned out nearly 9 months in advance contrary to what you believe. They had 11,000 of the some of the brightest minds working on a plan for what we could do for iraq. If you have a better solution than I want to hear it. All the people who b itch but don't have a better answer except to let them rot or pretend the problem won't escalate.

Don't tell me I'm selfish, because the billion of dollars we're spending in Iraq right now, the friend I lost in the war, cost. They COST me. Something that we're over there doing willingly. The whole oil thing? That's a bunch of crap. We've always paid for the oil, and we're paying for it now just the same as before. It's not about the oil, that's just a lame ass excuse that everybody uses because they dont' want to recognize that the solution to the problem might actually be bloody. Sometimes war and violence actually is the answer, even though nobody wants to ever speak that outloud.

I wouldn't go off but you posted in a forum tha thad nothing to do with it.

[rlmorel]

I agree with the previous poster. Keep the political crap out of here. Sheesh.javascript:smilie('')