[iNadir]

I've been using my g4 800 iMac for a year and a couple of months,before that my experience with windows (98) was dull and insignificant,it was just about downloading mp3s and watching dvds,i didn't experience the blue screen of death and all the windows OS terrible issues i heard about,because as i mentioned i never gave it heavy tasks.I moved to macs and began basic programming and video editting (never done that on windows) and i love it...the problem is that i don't know any mac user in my city,in other words i am in the middle of a wintel world and i find difficulties while attempting to prove that macs are better than pcs especially to IT geeks...so help me answer the question i always get why Mac OS X.2 and not Windows XP? I've searched the net and read the reasons on the apple switch page but i am really considering your professional facts and knowledge...

thanks...

[Mr Scruff]

I wouldn't worry if Windows users are dismissive of Macs. If they ask you, why use a Mac, you could equally answer, why use Windows?

The only reasons that I know of to use Windows are that hardware is cheaper and there are more games, other than that there is no reason.

So don't spend any time trying to justify your decision, just enjoy using your computer!

[yoyoman]

Originally posted by Mr Scruff:
I wouldn't worry if Windows users are dismissive of Macs. If they ask you, why use a Mac, you could equally answer, why use Windows?

The only reasons that I know of to use Windows are that hardware is cheaper and there are more games, other than that there is no reason.

So don't spend any time trying to justify your decision, just enjoy using your computer!

Whats funny is apple comes out with these new producsts and I see mac useres get newer macs but I rarely see pc users get mac's

What is the situation. The best way to go is have a pc at a apple store and compare it side by side. Actually show them. They will see then how bad windows is.

[Moose]

Originally posted by iNadir:
i find difficulties while attempting to prove that macs are better than pcs especially to IT geeks

That, right there, is your problem.

Stop trying to prove the superiority of any one platform. Take a look at the tasks you would like to perform. Use the appropriate tool. For some tasks, this may be Mac OS X. For other tasks, this may be Windows. For even different tasks, this may be something else, like FreeBSD or even Linux, Bastard Child Of Free Unix.

Your choice should be all about what you're going to do with it, partially about what you're accustomed to, and not at all about immature pissing matches. Pay attention to the first, don't be afraid of going against the second, and leave the third to the pre-teen zealots on both sides. Example:

Originally posted by yoyoman:
The best way to go is have a pc at a apple store and compare it side by side. Actually show them. They will see then how bad windows is.

Once you start thinking, or, worse yet, talking like that, you've ended any chance you may have had of getting your viewpoint taken seriously.

[Bohemia]

Don't worry about it man... I grew up with a mac surrounded with widows users, my friends used to make fun of macs. They stopped now, after 10.2 came

[clarkgoble]

With 10.3 I think the argument for Macs will be much greater - especially if G5 prices drop come January.

It looks like the extensions to the Finder and the file system won't make it in 10.3.0. However if, as in prior systems, 10.3.1 has these features, then Apple will be very exciting as a platform. (i.e. smart "folder/playlists", lots of functional metadata, etc.)

I've played with the 10.3 Finder and it really is about as much better than the 10.2 Finder as the 10.2 Finder was to the 10.0 Finder. There are still a few problems. Threading still isn't perfect, mainly due to problems threading window graphics routines. (Bad Apple - make your API calls thread safe!) But it is such a speed improvement and is very fast to get things done.

Expose is simply amazing as well. A very elegant solution to the problem, although I think they need a screen widget to activate it rather than just the keyboard.

Mail finally does HTML mail right.

Now if they could just improve Project Builder and come out with their Office Suite I'd be one seriously happy camper.

I find that I use XP less and less each month. But I still do my development on XP simply because Visual Studio is by far the best IDE on any platform bar none. It's the one place Apple really trails XP. For everything else, unless you need some specific program that only runs on XP, you're better off with a Mac. The one big argument against the Mac is the slower, more expensive hardware. Beyond that (and CAD software) Apple is simply far superior. (IMO)

[Brass]

You only need to tell them why YOU use a Mac and why YOU prefer Macs. What we think doesn't really matter. They will probably disagree with you, but that doesn't really matter.

If you have reasons that are significant to you then that's what matters.

Eg, do you find it easier to use? does it make you more productive? If so tell them. If they disagree, who cares?

[iRebound]

Mac OS X vs. Windows XP

[iNadir]

Thanks...i never thought of it this way...i find my machine more than satisfying...who gives a rat's a** about what the wintel users think...lol...i regret the moments i used to argue and talk in not knowing what i am stating...and if i went back to the day i bought the iMac i would still do the same thing...Moreover it is difficult to prove the superiority of a platform,in fact it's meaningless,thanks Moose...i 'm glad i have a mac,in addition i'm glad i got to know this forums where i can find help and advice...

thanks guys,,,

[mikemako]

I must admit that I also try to convince my friends and strangers to switch to Mac.. but I also try to get them to listen to Radiohead, so I don't think it's unhealthy. It's just that I know of something great that they have not yet discovered and I want to share the happiness with them!

I'm having trouble getting my boyfriend to trash his PC.. I have a 1.42GHz DP that blows away his 500MHz P3, but I don't have "Acid", and he's obsessed with that program. Since there's only room for 1 computer at his place, it's the PC.. and the Mac just stays at my parents house. Anyone have any idea to help get that PC outta here? I don't like using Windows 2000.

[Ghoser777]

Originally posted by mikemako:
I'm having trouble getting my boyfriend to trash his PC.. I have a 1.42GHz DP that blows away his 500MHz P3, but I don't have "Acid", and he's obsessed with that program. Since there's only room for 1 computer at his place, it's the PC.. and the Mac just stays at my parents house. Anyone have any idea to help get that PC outta here? I don't like using Windows 2000.

Get him Virtual PC - I'm using it for work, and it really isn't all that bad. That way he can do all the fun stuff in OS X and use Acid (what is that?) when he wants in VP.

Matt Fahrenbacher

[mikemako]

Get him Virtual PC - I'm using it for work, and it really isn't all that bad.

good idea, thanks! Anyone know how that is on a 1.42GHz DP G4? I heard that VPC was very sluggish.

...and use Acid (what is that?) when he wants in VP.

Acid is actually pretty cool.. It's part of a music mixing & looping program- from what I've seen him doing. I wish I could find the Mac equivalent.

[ls -al]

Apple's soundtrack software... imports Acid files/loops... www.apple.com/soundtrack

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You can also import the most popular file formats for loop libraries, including ACID, AIFF and WAV. And of course it supports Apple Loops, the powerful and rich new file format for looping audio and sound effects.



quote:
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Soundtrack is so intuitive and powerful that within minutes of sitting down on a plane, I created temp tracks for some upcoming projects that would have otherwise taken hours to do in a studio. Soundtrack is already one of my most important audio production tools and is set to become a staple for serious composers and hobbyists.”
— Recording artist and producer, BT (a.k.a. Brian Transeau)

[Superchicken]

Say that you don't want to have to work to use your computer.

That's what I do, on windows you never did much cause it's to much effort to do stuff, on the Mac you just do it and don't look back.

[off/lang]

For me it is all about the ability to have a couple of unix windows open at the same time as Word and Photoshop. No other system can do that. I love the melding of unix with an intuitive, intelligent user interface.

I also really like the shareware community that has grown up around OSX.

[mikemako]

Originally posted by ls -al:
Apple's soundtrack software... imports Acid files/loops... www.apple.com/soundtrack

RAD.. thanks that looks cooool.

[tahoe3]

"For me it is all about the ability to have a couple of unix windows open at the same time as Word and Photoshop"

Unix windows? Do you mean a couple of CLI's, or 2 separate desktop managers like Enlightment and KDE, or 2 separate OSes like Linux and BSD under VPC? Nothing big. Just wondering by what you meant by unix window. *shrugs*

[DoctorW]

Originally posted by iNadir:
i find difficulties while attempting to prove that macs are better than pcs especially to IT geeks

IT geeks will never take the Mac platform seriously. Ever. Even though many honest, informed individuals know full well that OS X really is the best OS there is.

The Wintel platform is difficult to deal with and far more complicated. Therefore, it gives them something to do. If everyone used Macs, then everyone's computer, for the most part, would just work, and IT folks would sit around twiddling their thumbs.

IOW, Wintel's complexity and unreliability are what keeps them in their jobs. That's the same reason companies don't switch to Macs, as well.

[DaGuy]

I have some good ones. Here's my top 10 list.

10. Tell them you are all for Unix and that Windows is inferior and just doesn't do it for you.

9. One can do more on Mac out of the box then most Windows users can do on a PC. Think about the iApps i.e. iTunes, iPhotoa, iChat, iMovie.

8. macs are about consistency and attention to detail and that means that the user experience is way much better.

7. macs have way much less viruses and worms -I never been hit by one.

6. You are more likely to loose your file (forever) in Windows than on a mac.

5. Incompatibilities between Win95, 98, Me, 2000, XP. Its a mess... My game works here but not there...

4. Tell them that XP was design by the Fisher-Price folks and that you are no longer three years old.

3. macs don't rely that much on wizards. The OS is intuative enough to let you figure things without being treated like an idiot and forced to read overcrowed badly written dialog boxes.

2. Window sucks. Competition is good monopolies are not.

AND FINALLY

1. One hundred billion flies can't be wrong, "eat sh@t, they say".

[iNadir]

" IT geeks will never take the Mac platform seriously. Ever. Even though many honest, informed individuals know full well that OS X really is the best OS there is."

ur absolutely right,although windows are not as complex as u claim,but one more reason is that they're used to windows and deal with it all the time no IT geek would bother himself to explore OS X or even try it...they judge fast...and when a mac user explains they start talkin "windows" in other words speaking about windows features and systems (dll..regidt...sys bla bla bla) u won't even tell the difference between what he's sayin and a foriegn language...and then he goes can a mac do that...does the mac have that "spaghetti whatever windows crap" feature...ofcourse any normal mac user won't be able to answer...but why answer...

1)we enjoy unix they don't...in fact in my country they don't know what's unix

2)we deal with a better interface they don't...

3)we run the windows os virtually and occasionally they don't run os x...(they might not need it but still they wouldn't experience the ease of use and most if not all of the innovating leading apple apps)

still the superiority of a platform is hard to be proven...and it's a waste of time..and it can only be done by computer engineers and programmers..but i believe that macs in general are better than pcs...

[sniffer]

Some of the coolest part about OS X versus XP is the way you install programs. I have a temporally job at some IT support at a hospital and you can't literally image how many ways there is to install programs on the Windows platform. We have several hundreds programs to take care of and I have to coop daily with a handful random apps to reinstall/fix on the customers computers. I mean, every application has its own installation procedure. It's such a huge contrast to OS X where you just "drag this folder to your hard drive" approach. It can't be done easier. OS X is superior to windows in that area. There is no competition at all.

[pZsolt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by yoyoman:
[B]Whats funny is apple comes out with these new producsts and I see mac useres get newer macs but I rarely see pc users get mac's

Hi,

I am an ex PC user who, after years of dreaming finally bought the first Mac. (Guys, these machines are quite expensive, and in Eastern Europe you can not afford it!!) I only use PC in the office, but doing Java dev. what I just can do perfectly on my Mac. This is a great piece of harware with a great OS.

Zsolt