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gorickey · Aug 26, 2003, 08:02 PM

This is getting rather routine I would say...

Gul Banana · Aug 26, 2003, 08:31 PM

What, hadn't you heard the rumour that 7B49 was going to be the GM?

sniffer · Aug 26, 2003, 08:58 PM

If that's GM, what are we going to talk about until December?

gorickey · Aug 26, 2003, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by sniffer:
If that's GM, what are we going to talk about until December?

How snappy� it is I guess...

brainchild2b · Aug 26, 2003, 09:06 PM

7B49 is not GM. Every freaking year people start saying, "this build is GM" or the next build is "GM" Truthfully only Apple knows when it is really GM.

But I can tell you for certain that there will be no GM build at least until September 10th. Which means you wouldn't see it until late October or December.

BurpetheadX · Aug 26, 2003, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by brainchild2b:
7B49 is not GM. Every freaking year people start saying, "this build is GM" or the next build is "GM" Truthfully only Apple knows when it is really GM.

But I can tell you for certain that there will be no GM build at least until September 10th. Which means you wouldn't see it until late October or December.

They were kidding.

gdiddy · Aug 26, 2003, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by brainchild2b:
7B49 is not GM. Every freaking year people start saying, "this build is GM" or the next build is "GM" Truthfully only Apple knows when it is really GM.

But I can tell you for certain that there will be no GM build at least until September 10th. Which means you wouldn't see it until late October or December.

Good thing no one mentioned the debug code! You might go postal on us.

(Have they removed the debug code yet? Seriously?)

JellyBeen · Aug 26, 2003, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by BurpetheadX:
They were kidding.

Of course they were...We can't have that again,all over again this incesant ritual we have....hehe Oh please stop!!

sandsl · Aug 26, 2003, 09:39 PM

I can't keep up

Anyway, whats new, seed notes anyone?

Anand · Aug 26, 2003, 09:39 PM

On a completly diffent topic, what are the major issues that still have to be resolved in panther. I have heard that the network Icon in the finder is still problematic - only showing other macs. In addition, there is no evidence that you are connected to a server. And also, losing a SMB share still results in a dead OS. What else needs to be done? Personally I am more interested in panther than any G5.

vod[k]a · Aug 26, 2003, 11:10 PM

whoops

NeilCharter · Aug 27, 2003, 12:42 AM

Damn it and I just got 7B44. When will this madness end.

As far as I remember, the builds get leaked on a regular basis, each one proporting to be GM.

Then Apple will announce that the new OS is to ship on a certain date.

Then the arguments will come on even more strong about which build is GM.

ThinkSecret and MOSR will pronounce which build is GM.

Finally all the crap about debug code and snappy will float around.

Then the OS will ship, somebody will complain that their's wasn't delivered on time, and we will all finally work out that it was a build released 3 weeks before, that most of us have been running for an age.

Except that Apple changed one word in the French Read Me because it spelt a rude word.

Which of course will start the debate about build numbers, checksum etc etc and which is the real GM.

Finally we will all go back to our real lives, rueing the days when we waited for a new version of the next OS X to find its way down our internet cables.

squish · Aug 27, 2003, 02:57 AM

I LOVE that.

it makes OS X so exciting! Constantly hearing about new builds/features, etc. It's wonderful, i think.

I never lose interest in the Mac or OS X because of this. i think it only does Apple good.

They recently said that if it keeps leaking, then they will cut off the seeds.

They can't do that. As a nerdy computer user, this is all i got!

anyway, I do have fond memories of watching that 10.2 movie that some dude made last summer (it compared 10.2 performance to that of 10.1 using a Weezer DVD, some transparent terminal windows and a quicktime movie of some guy singing who i don't know).

People spent a lot of last summer going after these builds, installing and testing them, commenting on them, and now the same thing is happening again this summer. how exciting.

personally, i don't drool over Mhz and FSBs and that crap, show me the software that I actually USE my computer for! The Mac is all about the software. the fact that Apple knows about this and yet keeps doing it is so great. Perhaps that explains why i love the co. so much and why I refuse to buy any mp3 player that isn't an iPod or any computer that isn't a Mac. Seriously, I would NEVER buy a PC unless something totally crucial depended on it.

Plus, reading about these builds makes me appreciate the finer points of OS design. Apple really does care about how things work for the user. I'm an aspiring developer in training, and I refuse to dev for Windows. I just can't do it when I see these builds. It fuels my desire to create the perfect app to accompany this fabulous OS.

Hehe, look at this post, it started out as me reminiscing about how great it is to hear about these builds, then it turned into me discussing my potential future career.

So, my friend installed Windows XP Pro on his friend's laptop, but the serial # he used didn't work (yes, HE is a pirate), so he couldn't install the damn thing. And his friend needed to leave soon, so she ended up leaving her laptop at his house because of this (it was there in the first place because of a virus, a lack of a firewall and the fact that it had Windows ME).

So I just thought about how Mac users can install ANY Mac OS (even these freakin' illegal builds!) w/o ANY sort of Activation NONSENSE. How wonderful. Superb, ain't it?

so that's just about all i have to say for now. My point is that these dev builds are sparking an emormous interest in the platform in a user/developer like me (and to think I was once a switcher). Does anybody else here feel the same?

richardb · Aug 27, 2003, 06:02 AM

And also, losing a SMB share still results in a dead OS.

If this turns out to be true in GM I will not pay for it...

SMacTech · Aug 27, 2003, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by Anand:
And also, losing a SMB share still results in a dead OS.

What do you mean by this ? I have not seen this to be true at all. However, losing audio on my Cube after a kernel panic is more of a problem for me.

mogura · Aug 27, 2003, 07:53 AM

Weezer RULES!

RooneyX · Aug 27, 2003, 08:54 AM

Do Finder prefs stick yet?

SMacTech · Aug 27, 2003, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by RooneyX:
Do Finder prefs stick yet?

They always stuck for me in Jag!
Funny how the segments on the 1st CD are 30MBs each and CD2 is the older 29.3MB format. You have to admire consistency.

Wickedkitten · Aug 27, 2003, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by SMacTech:
What do you mean by this ? I have not seen this to be true at all. However, losing audio on my Cube after a kernel panic is more of a problem for me.

What speakers are you using? I have my cube hooked up to a pair of JBL Creatures via an Imic and my sound is fine after a KP

sniffer · Aug 27, 2003, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by squish:
Does anybody else here feel the same?

Especially when I think back when I switched in the first place just to run OS X, and that was even before 10.0 shipped. What exciting time that was. When I finally got 10.0 I was still excited despite the jumpy and "two second lag" while scrolling down Internet pages with Internet Explorer (ups!). Yep! Those where the days, I tell you!

Hi I'm Ben · Aug 27, 2003, 09:25 AM

I was mad as hell... at least 10.1 was free.

Originally posted by sniffer:
Especially when I think back when I switched in the first place just to run OS X, and that was even before 10.0 shipped. What exciting time that was. When I finally got 10.0 I was still excited despite the jumpy and "two second lag" while scrolling down Internet pages with Internet Explorer (ups!). Yep! Those where the days, I tell you!

Anand · Aug 27, 2003, 09:26 AM

"And also, losing a SMB share still results in a dead OS.

What do you mean by this ? I have not seen this to be true at all. However, losing audio on my Cube after a kernel panic is more of a problem for me."

Take a powerbook and connect it to a windows machine using SMB. Put the powerbook to sleep. Take the powerpook home. Open the lid. Mac OS X will beachball trying to find the SMB share. It won't and you have to re-boot. Happens in 10.2 and I have heard that it happens in 10.3.

sniffer · Aug 27, 2003, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by Hi I'm Ben:
I was mad as hell... at least 10.1 was free.

I was disappointed to since my half year old hardware with maxed out ram was absolute already before the damn thing shipped. But never the less, build talk occupied us like never before, and that was really exciting times.

ambush · Aug 27, 2003, 09:59 AM

I'm never going to pay 210 Canadian Bux for Panther. Never.

I own like 20 macs and I won't pay for an OS. So sue me.

osxisfun · Aug 27, 2003, 10:11 AM

Post your info in this thread and I am sure apple will...

I see there is a charge of $5.95 for "burn out menu" Is that a program you wrote?

So if people steal that would you get angry?

MrNo · Aug 27, 2003, 10:12 AM

I don't have this problem in Jaguar. All you need to do is don't try to open the share until everything reconnects. This usually takes about 15-20 seconds

Originally posted by Anand:
"
Take a powerbook and connect it to a windows machine using SMB. Put the powerbook to sleep. Take the powerpook home. Open the lid. Mac OS X will beachball trying to find the SMB share. It won't and you have to re-boot. Happens in 10.2 and I have heard that it happens in 10.3.

SMacTech · Aug 27, 2003, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Anand:
"And also, losing a SMB share still results in a dead OS.

What do you mean by this ? I have not seen this to be true at all. However, losing audio on my Cube after a kernel panic is more of a problem for me."

Take a powerbook and connect it to a windows machine using SMB. Put the powerbook to sleep. Take the powerpook home. Open the lid. Mac OS X will beachball trying to find the SMB share. It won't and you have to re-boot. Happens in 10.2 and I have heard that it happens in 10.3.

Urban Legend. This issue has been fixed.

SMacTech · Aug 27, 2003, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by Wickedkitten:
What speakers are you using? I have my cube hooked up to a pair of JBL Creatures via an Imic and my sound is fine after a KP

The standard cube speakers. Happened on both cubes I own, however, neither one was a fresh install. I CCC'd my 10.2.6 and applied Panther. Kernel panic ensued using Safari and reboot, no audio, no speakers even seen in Sound Prefs. Reinstall and it works again.

sandsl · Aug 27, 2003, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by ambush:
I'm never going to pay 210 Canadian Bux for Panther. Never.

I own like 20 macs and I won't pay for an OS. So sue me.

Isn't it great to a see a "developer" condone piracy

everyone..look...free burnoutmenu and Strateges

-

Anyone know whats new in this build? Any fancy new gui effects?

Anand · Aug 27, 2003, 10:25 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Anand:
"And also, losing a SMB share still results in a dead OS.

What do you mean by this ? I have not seen this to be true at all. However, losing audio on my Cube after a kernel panic is more of a problem for me."

Take a powerbook and connect it to a windows machine using SMB. Put the powerbook to sleep. Take the powerpook home. Open the lid. Mac OS X will beachball trying to find the SMB share. It won't and you have to re-boot. Happens in 10.2 and I have heard that it happens in 10.3.

Urban Legend. This issue has been fixed.

__________________
~Steve

If that is the case - it is great!

Gul Banana · Aug 27, 2003, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Anand:
quote:
Originally posted by Anand:
"And also, losing a SMB share still results in a dead OS.

What do you mean by this ? I have not seen this to be true at all. However, losing audio on my Cube after a kernel panic is more of a problem for me."

Take a powerbook and connect it to a windows machine using SMB. Put the powerbook to sleep. Take the powerpook home. Open the lid. Mac OS X will beachball trying to find the SMB share. It won't and you have to re-boot. Happens in 10.2 and I have heard that it happens in 10.3.

Urban Legend. This issue has been fixed.

__________________
~Steve

If that is the case - it is great!

Yep, it was fixed way back in the original WWDC preview (the only one that I have legal access too

)

BuonRotto · Aug 27, 2003, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by ambush:
I'm never going to pay 210 Canadian Bux for Panther. Never.

I own like 20 macs and I won't pay for an OS. So sue me.

Wait until you buy a new Mac then. No biggie. I bet most people do that.

goMac · Aug 27, 2003, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by ambush:
I'm never going to pay 210 Canadian Bux for Panther. Never.

I own like 20 macs and I won't pay for an OS. So sue me.

Sounds like its time for some NETBOOT!

johnpg · Aug 27, 2003, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by squish:
anyway, I do have fond memories of watching that 10.2 movie that some dude made last summer (it compared 10.2 performance to that of 10.1 using a Weezer DVD, some transparent terminal windows and a quicktime movie of some guy singing who i don't know).

Hey! I made that video! I'm glad you liked it! :-) The guy you didn't know was Richard Thompson.

Cheers,
John

C.J. Moof · Aug 27, 2003, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Anand:
quote:
Originally posted by Anand:
"And also, losing a SMB share still results in a dead OS.

What do you mean by this ? I have not seen this to be true at all. However, losing audio on my Cube after a kernel panic is more of a problem for me."

Take a powerbook and connect it to a windows machine using SMB. Put the powerbook to sleep. Take the powerpook home. Open the lid. Mac OS X will beachball trying to find the SMB share. It won't and you have to re-boot. Happens in 10.2 and I have heard that it happens in 10.3.

Urban Legend. This issue has been fixed.

__________________
~Steve

If that is the case - it is great!

Okay, so is it fixed with AFP servers too? I have my Xserve mounted on my powerbook, sleep it, bring it home, there's an absurdly long beachball penalty while it desparately tries to find the xserve again.

It will *eventually* figure it out, but it's faster to just pull the power on the darn thing and restart.

Peter · Aug 27, 2003, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by sandsl:
Isn't it great to a see a "developer" condone piracy everyone..look...free burnoutmenu and Strateges

-

Anyone know whats new in this build? Any fancy new gui effects?

He never said he was gonna pirate it

RooneyX · Aug 27, 2003, 12:22 PM

They should allow everyone to download a preview of Panther. The more exposure there is the more Windows users will see a proper OS in action. At cafes all over the world they'll see Mac users previewing a real OS.

For the preview they could put seperate timers throughout the system that make it unhackable so that when the preview expires it truly expires but reminds you to back up your personal data before the expiry date.

KidRed · Aug 27, 2003, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by PeterClark2002:
He never said he was gonna pirate it

He said he was never going to pay for Panther, or pay for any OS for that matter. Ah, without paying for it, do you think he's still running OS 7.5 that came installed on one of his older 20 macs?

SMacTech · Aug 27, 2003, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by C.J. Moof:
Okay, so is it fixed with AFP servers too?

Yes, SMB, AFP mounts will try and reconnect and if it can't it will give you the option to disconnect or try and reconnect.
I tried all iterations, mount shares, put computer to sleep, wake, pull ethernet cable and curse at the server too, it still connects or gracefully disconnects after a time-out period of about 30 seconds/

Peter · Aug 27, 2003, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by KidRed:
He said he was never going to pay for Panther, or pay for any OS for that matter. Ah, without paying for it, do you think he's still running OS 7.5 that came installed on one of his older 20 macs?

yes. Most likely.

SMacTech · Aug 27, 2003, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by RooneyX:
They should allow everyone to download a preview of Panther. The more exposure there is the more Windows users will see a proper OS in action.

Oh sure, I can hear it now. "But this doesn't work yet, ya know, it's still in Beta". I paid my money to ADC for the privilege, so should all others.

osxisfun · Aug 27, 2003, 12:40 PM

They should allow everyone to download a preview of Panther. The more exposure there is the more Windows users will see a proper OS in action. At cafes all over the world they'll see Mac users previewing a real OS.

For the preview they could put seperate timers throughout the system that make it unhackable so that when the preview expires it truly expires but reminds you to back up your personal data before the expiry date.

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Sounds like an unworkable nightmare to me.

Imagine the tech support.

2 OSXs on one HD..

If people want to try it they can visit the apple site and even an apple store...

sandsl · Aug 27, 2003, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by PeterClark2002:
He never said he was gonna pirate it

He didn't say he wasn't going to pirate it, he was unspecific!

If he doesn't pay for it (or get it legally) but still uses it then it is piracy..

yes. Most likely.

Your wrong. Considering:
- He uses OSX 10.2 not 7.5
- He purports to be a mac "developer" and you can't fully develop for 10.3 in 10.2.
- "So sue me" suggests law breaking.

Ambush will almost certainly be using Panther..legally or illegally its entirely upto him.

Sounds like an unworkable nightmare to me

Totally agree with you...imagine the fun those tech support guys will have

Although if Apple did do a public beta tester alot of people wouldn't have to break the law.

How about a developers only beta tester - but for all levels of developers including students?

sniffer · Aug 27, 2003, 01:27 PM

*bump*

So what is new in b49?

gorickey · Aug 27, 2003, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by sniffer:
*bump*

So what is new in b49?

No kidding, man these topics get side-tracked easily...

SMacTech · Aug 27, 2003, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
No kidding, man these topics get side-tracked easily...

Patience young man :-) It does take time to download 1.3GB, burn and install.

RooneyX · Aug 27, 2003, 02:15 PM

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Sounds like an unworkable nightmare to me.

Imagine the tech support.

2 OSXs on one HD..
[/B][/QUOTE]

Archive and Install for Preview release? Go back to your original installation when you want.

Tech support = report bug button.

People who know what a Preview is don't call tech support like crazy. They report bugs like we did with Safari...and that p.o.s that came out in March 2001.

C.J. Moof · Aug 27, 2003, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by SMacTech:
Yes, SMB, AFP mounts will try and reconnect and if it can't it will give you the option to disconnect or try and reconnect.
I tried all iterations, mount shares, put computer to sleep, wake, pull ethernet cable and curse at the server too, it still connects or gracefully disconnects after a time-out period of about 30 seconds/

Well, that's better than the minutes and minutes that would drag on under Jag, but not as quick as OS 9, which figured out this wouldn't work quite promptly.

It would be nice if this could be tied to an automatic location manager.... if IP is in this range, and router is this, and gateway is this, don't bother trying to reconnect to server X, cuz you're not gonna get there.

ambush · Aug 27, 2003, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by osxisfun:
Post your info in this thread and I am sure apple will...

I see there is a charge of $5.95 for "burn out menu" Is that a program you wrote?

So if people steal that would you get angry?

This is not the point. The point is I buy an avg. of 3 macs/year so I think I'm giving them enough money. Anyway I'll just wait for my next mac to play with Panther.

Originally posted by sandsl:
Isn't it great to a see a "developer" condone piracy everyone..look...free burnoutmenu and Strateges

You're the biggest hypocrite ever. Look, look, a "MUG director" condoning NDA violation! Luke try to make sense, and then come back. You're confused. Oh and by the way, what's the logic with me pirating OSes? I said I was never going to pay 210 for a ****ing OS, I'd rather wait till I get my PB15. Retard.

Originally posted by BuonRotto:
Wait until you buy a new Mac then. No biggie. I bet most people do that.

Exactly.

Originally posted by goMac:
Sounds like its time for some NETBOOT!

Weren't you the one asking me for xcode a week ago? yeah you were.

Originally posted by KidRed:
He said he was never going to pay for Panther, or pay for any OS for that matter. Ah, without paying for it, do you think he's still running OS 7.5 that came installed on one of his older 20 macs?

Oh hum, i'm running 10.2.6 that came with my two eMacs and my iBook600. Thanks.

Luke, you're the one breaking the law, so stop being a fool.

KidRed · Aug 27, 2003, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by sniffer:
*bump*

So what is new in b49?

Don't expect much expect for bug fixing from here on out. Relax, we'll get it soon enough.