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Apex · Aug 28, 2003, 06:50 PM

Does anyone else have a problem with the Dvorak keyboard remapping in OSX (Jaguar) not "sticking"?

I consistantly set it as my only keyboard style in the international settings in control panel, but the computer seems to randomly switch back to standard USA mapping at reboot. (Which is quite irritating since I have no warning that the re-map was lost until I start typing away and gobbledygook starts popping up.)

When I had both the standard QWERTY layout and Dvorak both set up, the system would default to QWERTY every reboot. Now that I only have Dvorak, I've got what feels like an 80% chance of getting Dvorak on startup.

Has anyone else noticed this? Have you been able to correct it? If so, what did you have to do?

oVeRmInD911 · Aug 28, 2003, 07:09 PM

Mine sticks 100%.

I have the pulldown menu with the "DQ" in it, and also QWERTY. It always goes to DQ if I left it on DQ, and QWERTY when someone else leaves it on that.

rishio · Aug 29, 2003, 11:45 PM

My problem is with the command mapping in different applications. Using Command in apple applications uses the proper qwerty command mapping. Using the command key in applications such as photoshop does not work properly in dq. Anyone know if this is fixed in panther?

Originally posted by oVeRmInD911:
Mine sticks 100%.

I have the pulldown menu with the "DQ" in it, and also QWERTY. It always goes to DQ if I left it on DQ, and QWERTY when someone else leaves it on that.

dopik · Aug 30, 2003, 02:45 AM

I have been looking for quite a while for a USB Dvorak keyboard. Where have you bought yours. Thanks.

dopik

amontague · Aug 30, 2003, 06:20 AM

I see this problem quite a bit, but I can't work out a pattern. On my own B+W G3, it sticks in Dvorak all the time. Yesterday, however, I was using a 12" PB, and I couldn't get Dvorak to stick. Sometimes I couldn't get the Dvorak keyboard to work at all.

So I don't have an answer, but I can confirm it's a problem.

Spheric Harlot · Aug 30, 2003, 06:54 AM

I had that problem for a while with the German keyboard layout. It kept
a) sticking the keyboard menu back in the menu bar, despite the fact that I'd disabled all input methods except for German, and
b) defaulting to US layout.

It started happening after I installed the Corel Graphics package. That installer is seriously ****ed up.

It requires quitting everything else (totally unnecessary bollocks), and then to top it off, it requires a *restart*. After that, my problems began.

Fixing permissions using Disk Utility seemed to help.

-s*

Powaqqatsi · Aug 30, 2003, 12:01 PM

Do you have both Qwerty and Dvorak as "selectable" ? (with the extra menu, after the "Help" menu). If so try disabling the Qwerty layout while only leaving the Dvorak selected, so that the menu dissapears.

ZackS · Aug 30, 2003, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by dopik:
I have been looking for quite a while for a USB Dvorak keyboard. Where have you bought yours. Thanks.

dopik

I popped the keys off my Apple keyboar and rearranged them to be DVORAK

oVeRmInD911 · Aug 30, 2003, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by ZackS:
I popped the keys off my Apple keyboar and rearranged them to be DVORAK

I had that too, but I kept "f" and "j" in their spots, since the little extrusions on them are very useful. Then the other, QWERTY-using, people tried using my keyboard, and whenever they looked down they'd get messed up, and they complained so I switched it all back.

It was fun while it lasted.

dopik · Sep 1, 2003, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by ZackS:
I popped the keys off my Apple keyboar and rearranged them to be DVORAK

That is too much for me... I won't do it.

dopik

Apex · Sep 3, 2003, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by dopik:
I have been looking for quite a while for a USB Dvorak keyboard. Where have you bought yours. Thanks.

dopik

I'm actually using the standard QWERTY keyboard on my Mac, just remapping it. I did rearrange the keys on my work laptop though. As for a keyboard, I actually learned Dvorak primarily so I could get one of these babys: TouchStream LP ZeroForce Keyboard. Dvorak has less finger travel, so I'm thinking it will counter the "wandering fingers" issue.

Only trouble is... By the time I save up enough extra cash to actually get one of those, I'm probably going to wind up blowing it on an iPod.

Has anyone out there tried one of these keyboards? Did you like it?

If you would like to change your keycaps, it's possible to buy stickers that you can put on your keys. That way you don't have to go through the trauma of tearing you keyboard apart. (Which isn't nearly as hard/easy-to-break as you might think.) If you'd like a link, I can do some searching for you.

Apex · Sep 3, 2003, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
I had that problem for a while with the German keyboard layout. It kept
a) sticking the keyboard menu back in the menu bar, despite the fact that I'd disabled all input methods except for German, and
b) defaulting to US layout.

It started happening after I installed the Corel Graphics package. That installer is seriously ****ed up.

It requires quitting everything else (totally unnecessary bollocks), and then to top it off, it requires a *restart*. After that, my problems began.

Fixing permissions using Disk Utility seemed to help.

-s*

This got me thinking, and I figured out that part of my issue is with my typing tutor... I'm using the trial version af Master Key, and every time I start it, the US layout gets put back into my droplist of "Locals". If, after I finish using it, I exit, manually remove and reset the locals in the System Preferences, and reboot, I've got a much better chance of it working in Dvorak. (It still switches, but less than before.)

I'll try the Disk Utility, and see if that helps.

Thanks!

hotani · Jan 27, 2004, 10:28 AM

I'm having weird issues with this as well, but a little different.

I need the login screen to ALWAYS be qwerty, while my account is dvorak. To do this, I log in as root and set it to be qwerty.

However, sometimes it just randomly switches back to dvorak at the login screen!!! This makes life difficult (impossible) for anyone else that needs to log in.

Anyone else experience this?

hotani · Jun 14, 2004, 09:43 AM

any comments on this issue? anyone?

I'm still having the problem, and have noticed that it pops up the most when dealing with multiple users. Only one user (me) uses dvorak, and all the others use qwerty. Sometimes the login screen changes itself to dvorak unexpectedly.

solutions?

olePigeon · Jun 14, 2004, 05:18 PM

When did Dvorak become a Mac guy? Did I miss Armageddon?

CharlesS · Jun 14, 2004, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by olePigeon:
When did Dvorak become a Mac guy? Did I miss Armageddon?

No, this thread is about music. Which one of Dvořák's nine symphonies is your favorite?

benb · Jun 15, 2004, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by hotani:
I'm having weird issues with this as well, but a little different.

I need the login screen to ALWAYS be qwerty, while my account is dvorak. To do this, I log in as root and set it to be qwerty.

However, sometimes it just randomly switches back to dvorak at the login screen!!! This makes life difficult (impossible) for anyone else that needs to log in.

Anyone else experience this?

Whatever you choose as your default layout after an install will be applied to the login window. Individual users can then apply layouts at whim.

How to change this later? I have no idea.

hotani · Jun 16, 2004, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by benb:
Whatever you choose as your default layout after an install will be applied to the login window. Individual users can then apply layouts at whim.

How to change this later? I have no idea.

I think that may be the case. When I set up the system I may have chosen dvorak as the keyboard layout. However, after that I logged in as root and set that user to the qwerty layout and all is well until another user gets involved.

In other words, if it is just me using my account with dvorak layout, I log out and the login prompt is set to qwerty because that is what root is set to. However, if another user uses the system it will randomly switch. Very odd.