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videian28 · Sep 2, 2003, 08:23 AM

anyone?

WJMoore · Sep 2, 2003, 08:37 AM

You become a Select or Premier member at the ADC http://developer.apple.com/membership/

videian28 · Sep 2, 2003, 08:42 AM

that was my understanding as well, I had just read somewhere that a student developer had access.

oh well, just checking

Arkham_c · Sep 2, 2003, 08:44 AM

The only legal way to get it is to join the ADC as a Select or better member. That's it.

There are other ways (BitTorrent, Hotline, Carracho, Limewire, etc), but none of them are legal.

jetta_gt · Sep 2, 2003, 09:24 AM

no, it's not the ONLY way. become a student member for $99, then win an Apple Developer Scholarship (not half as hard as you'd think), along with access to all the OSX betas, you'll get a one-time 20% off coupon for any Apple hardware purchase (actually, this comes with the account, no scholarship required).

see you at WWDC next year!

booboo · Sep 2, 2003, 09:25 AM

Carracho

alien · Sep 2, 2003, 10:33 AM

I can wholehartedly recommend what jetta_gt suggested...

Brazuca · Sep 2, 2003, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by jetta_gt:
no, it's not the ONLY way. become a student member for $99, then win an Apple Developer Scholarship (not half as hard as you'd think), along with access to all the OSX betas, you'll get a one-time 20% off coupon for any Apple hardware purchase (actually, this comes with the account, no scholarship required).

see you at WWDC next year!

Joining for $99 gives you 20% off on HW? Is there any mention of this in Apple's website (couldn't find it)?

sounds like it makes sense to become a member just to save money on the HW purchase.

edit: OK, found some info, but it is not clear if this discount applies on top of the EDU prices or if they are the same thing. There is a broken link on that page that should have these answers, so if anyone else has experience with this, please pass it on so I can finally place my order for my dualG5.

http://developer.apple.com/students/sthardware.html

videian28 · Sep 2, 2003, 11:49 AM

yes, paying the $99 to become a student developer gets you a ONE time 20% purchase from the apple store, on any apple product (limited to the amount of machines and displays tho as in limited to one each)

it is very easy to do

I did this on my 17" pb and 20" display purchase

ratlater · Sep 2, 2003, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Brazuca:
Joining for $99 gives you 20% off on HW? Is there any mention of this in Apple's website (couldn't find it)?

sounds like it makes sense to become a member just to save money on the HW purchase.

edit: OK, found some info, but it is not clear if this discount applies on top of the EDU prices or if they are the same thing. There is a broken link on that page that should have these answers, so if anyone else has experience with this, please pass it on so I can finally place my order for my dualG5.

http://developer.apple.com/students/sthardware.html

The discount isn't on top of EDU, it is 20% off sticker price. Also, you only get a once in a lifetime purchase and can only by 1 computer. So you can by a G5, Cinema Display, iPod and other crap once, and get 20% of the whole order. It's a sweet deal that you should take advantage of before you graduate from college.

-matt

Art Vandelay · Sep 2, 2003, 01:03 PM

As a student developer, you will get the public release of Panther in your student mailing. You won't get access to the developer releases.

timmerk · Sep 2, 2003, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
As a student developer, you will get the public release of Panther in your student mailing. You won't get access to the developer releases.

Are you positive on this? I hope so.

parsec_kadets · Sep 2, 2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
As a student developer, you will get the public release of Panther in your student mailing. You won't get access to the developer releases.

The only exception to this is if you attended WWDC. If you didn't attend in June you're out of luck this year, unless you spend the cash for the more expensive memberships. If you'll still be a student when Apple starts talking about 10.4 and you attend WWDC you MIGHT get access to those builds. I say might because this is the first time Apple has let any student developers have access to the builds at all. When I was a student the only access I ever got to a build was a release candidate for 10.0, and it only came by mail, and I didn't get it until a day or two before OS X was released. I didn't get squat for 10.1 (well, I got 10.1 for free but not until it was released). Even if you don't use the hardware discount (or if you already used it), the student package is worth it because you get a free copy of OS X when it's updated. If you enroll now you would get Panther for free when it was released. Even if you enroll after the release of Panther, you would receive it in your welcome package. You actually end up making $30 right there alone.

Art Vandelay · Sep 2, 2003, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by timmerk:
Are you positive on this? I hope so.

Yes, I used to be a student developer. I got 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, and a few interim releases such as 10.2.3 too.

goMac · Sep 2, 2003, 03:21 PM

All accounts (except for Web) include this cool little packet. You should get 10.2.3 with it. Apple will also mail you cd's for each major OS release.

timmerk · Sep 2, 2003, 06:01 PM

Excellent - i am a student dev and I got 10.2, but I didn't think I would get 10.3. How long after 10.3 hits stores do we (the student ADC members) get 10.3?

Thanks

Art Vandelay · Sep 2, 2003, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by timmerk:
Excellent - i am a student dev and I got 10.2, but I didn't think I would get 10.3. How long after 10.3 hits stores do we (the student ADC members) get 10.3?

Thanks

It depends on when it goes Gold Master and when they send out the monthly mailings. You may get it before the public or after.

Kenneth · Sep 2, 2003, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
Yes, I used to be a student developer. I got 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, and a few interim releases such as 10.2.3 too.

Same here... joined ADC Student since 1999... I received many "Classic" OS 8.5 to 9.1 and then all the Mac OS X 10.0 to 10.2.3 on CD... I remembered that I also received Mac OS X Developer Preview 4 on the mail as well.

I used the 20% HW discount off my PowerBook G4/400.

Phil Quinney · Sep 3, 2003, 01:30 PM

Sorry to go off topic, but if this is the case then wouldn't it would be cheaper for me to purchase a Student Membership rather than buy Panther, plus I get the monthly mailings....?

Anyone,

Phil.

timmerk · Sep 3, 2003, 01:34 PM

Yes, if you are indeed a student.

Phil Quinney · Sep 3, 2003, 01:47 PM

Yeap, sure am! King's College London.

Phil.

Art Vandelay · Sep 3, 2003, 01:53 PM

If you are just looking for Panther, it is not cheaper to get it through the Student ADC program. The Student ADC program is US$99/year. OS X is US$69 for students.

Phil Quinney · Sep 3, 2003, 02:00 PM

Now that's rediculous:

$69, or �70.50 here in the UK.

Talk about a pound-dollar exchange rate!

Looks like ADC membership is the way for me.

Phil.

Angus_D · Sep 3, 2003, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Phil Quinney:
$69, or �70.50 here in the UK.

�60, actually. Still, that's $25 higher.

videian28 · Sep 3, 2003, 02:33 PM

well that's good to know, I was gonna buy panther lol.. then again, I do have 2 macs, guess I will still have to buy one.

Phil Quinney · Sep 3, 2003, 02:35 PM

Angus_D.

Where were you getting your price from, I checked that on the Apple Store for Education?

Phil.

Angus_D · Sep 3, 2003, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by ratlater:
Also, you only get a once in a lifetime purchase and can only by 1 computer.

There is a legal requirement that you use the computer for development purposes. Don't use this if you're not a developer.

Brazuca · Sep 3, 2003, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Angus_D:
There is a legal requirement that you use the computer for development purposes. Don't use this if you're not a developer.

Angus, how does this work. I'm in the field of Economics, and I certainly intend to use the G5 to develop programs to run econometrics stuff. But I'm not a Comp. Sci. student.

How do they keep track of this?

goMac · Sep 3, 2003, 03:23 PM

Note that as a developer you won't get the full thing. My copy of 10.2.3 is simply a nicish cd sleeve (think what comes with Adobe products). No box, no cool little manual. (C'mon, you know those are important

)

Also, you don't have to wait for the gm cd's. Usually they are supplied online. Before I was in ADC I got Jaguar golden master 4 or 5 days early from Apple via ftp if that gives you an idea of a time frame. I ordered Jaguar anyways with the edu discount, but the early copy held me over.

If you are simply looking for Panther, just buy it. Its cheaper and you get the full thing. The membership is only good for a year anyways, so most likely it will expire by the time the next version of OS X comes.

As far as I am aware the only reason Apple released 10.2.3 on cd is because some hardware requires it to boot, not really much else of a reason.

sandsl · Sep 3, 2003, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Brazuca:
Angus, how does this work. I'm in the field of Economics, and I certainly intend to use the G5 to develop programs to run econometrics stuff. But I'm not a Comp. Sci. student.

How do they keep track of this?

They don't keep track, its just a term of the license to prevent loads of non-developer students from getting it I guess.

You don't have to be a computer science student to develop.

alien · Sep 4, 2003, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by Brazuca:
Angus, how does this work. I'm in the field of Economics, and I certainly intend to use the G5 to develop programs to run econometrics stuff. But I'm not a Comp. Sci. student.

How do they keep track of this?

Before, I think you had to send in proof that you were taking developer-related courses. I can't find this term anymore. You can read about the discount here: http://developer.apple.com/students/sthardware.html

BTW, what kind of tools or software do you use to make econometrics programs?

Brazuca · Sep 4, 2003, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by alien:
Before, I think you had to send in proof that you were taking developer-related courses. I can't find this term anymore. You can read about the discount here: http://developer.apple.com/students/sthardware.html

BTW, what kind of tools or software do you use to make econometrics programs?

Well, I signed up, payed $99, sent in picture ID and proof of reg., and now I have an active student ADC account. Doesn't seem to require proof of dev courses, which doesn't make sense to require anyways.

I plan on developing a front end for common econometric functions, linking to Stata and perhaps to SAS. Ultimately I would like to have it format output to TeX system.