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BurpetheadX · Sep 8, 2003, 09:22 PM

I've seen this available as a developer download. Build is 6R57. I have no information about it, however.

nobitacu · Sep 8, 2003, 10:17 PM

I guess this can still be some good use for the people who are not buying Panther when that comes out, otherwise, for someone like me who is going to go out and buy Panther the day it hits the stores, it's pretty much pointless of an update for me.

Ming

Horsepoo!!! · Sep 8, 2003, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by nobitacu:
I guess this can still be some good use for the people who are not buying Panther when that comes out, otherwise, for someone like me who is going to go out and buy Panther the day it hits the stores, it's pretty much pointless of an update for me.

Ming

But it's actually remarkable that Apple is putting out a last 10.2 update for the people that are too pussy to upgrade to 10.3.

This update should calm some people down.

DBvader · Sep 8, 2003, 11:31 PM

too pussy?

hah, good one.

upgrading to panther isnt always about who is the pussy and who isnt. some people cant afford the upgrade (or dont think its worth the cost for that "level of innovation"). these people arent pussys, just realists.

its good that apple is supporting everyone...even the pussys.

blackbird_1.0 · Sep 8, 2003, 11:50 PM

not to be rude here, but:

-how's about a tabbed or updated dock?
tabs would be great, so would vrtual
workspaces (i guess expose takes care of
this)

-an actually different quicktime player?
this thing needed updating 3 years ago,
interface wise

-better power / memory management?
i'm sure we can all agree with this

-I'd like a tool tip like thing to popup the date
when my cursor is over the time
(no offense, windows has been doing this
since '95, etc. i know i can click, but...)

Brass · Sep 8, 2003, 11:57 PM

yep, some people don't need all the new fandangled features of every upgrade, and cannot justify upgrading if it costs anything significant.

For such users, they will only purchase every second or third paid upgrade (depending on the relevance of the new features or improvements to their workflow).

So these users will be happy to get something else for free.

From what I've heard about Panther, I think I'll be recommending it for all my clients (for speed increases alone). However, if not for the speed increase (or if the rumours prove insubstantial), I see no reason for most of my clients to upgrade.

As for myself, I wouldn't miss it

Art Vandelay · Sep 9, 2003, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by blackbird_1.0:
not to be rude here, but:

-how's about a tabbed or updated dock?
tabs would be great, so would vrtual
workspaces (i guess expose takes care of
this)

-an actually different quicktime player?
this thing needed updating 3 years ago,
interface wise

-better power / memory management?
i'm sure we can all agree with this

-I'd like a tool tip like thing to popup the date
when my cursor is over the time
(no offense, windows has been doing this
since '95, etc. i know i can click, but...)

You're not going to see changes like these in in a minor update like this.

ginoledesma · Sep 9, 2003, 12:18 AM

Well, slight improvements to power management/memory management need not only occur in 'major' updates (that is, a bump in the first decimal). And tooltips don't seem too hard to implement.

The number of updates (reaching this far) isn't suprising. If we count the 10.1 line of updates to be part of the original Mac OS X release, the number of Jaguar updates are almost equal to the older updates:

Original Mac OS X:
10.0 - 10.0.4 (4 updates)
10.1 - 10.1.6 (6 updates)
Total of 10 updates, 11 if you count 10.1.

Mac OS X (Jaguar):
10.2 - 10.2.8 (7 updates, excluding 10.2.7)
Total of 7 updates, 8 if you include 10.2.7 (which is G5 only)

nobitacu · Sep 9, 2003, 12:55 AM

I better not have to wait another 7 years before I can be using Mac OS 11 !!!! at least from the looks of it... it sure feels like it'll be a 7 years of wait for OS 11

because really... OS X will really get old for me to look at for the next 7 years.

Ming

Art Vandelay · Sep 9, 2003, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by nobitacu:
I better not have to wait another 7 years before I can be using Mac OS 11 !!!! at least from the looks of it... it sure feels like it'll be a 7 years of wait for OS 11 because really... OS X will really get old for me to look at for the next 7 years.

Ming

Apple said when Mac OS X was first released that they expected it to last for a decade or more. Besides, they can change the look with a 10.x update if they wanted to. Each update so far has refined the look somewhat.

Pierre B. · Sep 9, 2003, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by ginoledesma:
Original Mac OS X:
10.0 - 10.0.4 (4 updates)
10.1 - 10.1.6 (6 updates)
Total of 10 updates, 11 if you count 10.1.

There is no 10.1.6. Look for example here

blackbird_1.0 · Sep 9, 2003, 05:04 AM

actually i was referring to the major 10.3 upgrade, if it had like 200-250+ new features then it'd be a real cause to upgrade.

I was commenting on another comment about upgrading to 10.3...

Horsepoo!!! · Sep 9, 2003, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by blackbird_1.0:
actually i was referring to the major 10.3 upgrade, if it had like 200-250+ new features then it'd be a real cause to upgrade.

I was commenting on another comment about upgrading to 10.3...

Where were you when all the comments about 10.3 feeling like "a brand new machine" were made? Frankly people would be stupid not to buy 10.3. It may be 129$ but it's the best 129$ you'd ever spend for your computer...I **** you not.

If you feel that your computer is fast enough...fine, stick with 10.2. But you ain't seen nothing yet.

mitchell_pgh · Sep 9, 2003, 11:35 AM

I can see why some people wouldn't want to update. (I have a server that does NOTHING but serve a few pages here and there...

It hasn't crashed in forever, but then again, it really doesn't do much...

Also, I'm willing to F@#$ around with all the crap that comes with a 10.3.0 update (You know, all the crap that "the 10.3.1 update will fix"

For those who don't want to update, I say cool... but don't bitch when I can do something you can't...

blackbird_1.0 · Sep 9, 2003, 01:47 PM

Horsepool!!!, I was there 10.3 is cool, I just wish for more dramatic updates, I probably will buy 0.3 for the new Finder and the speed increase.

Love Calm Quiet · Sep 9, 2003, 01:56 PM

Sigh, but WHEN will you be able to buy it?

sushiism · Sep 9, 2003, 05:46 PM

"-how's about a tabbed or updated dock?
tabs would be great, so would vrtual
workspaces (i guess expose takes care of
this)"
GOD NO!
look at linux, see how they tend to shove ****nig tabs on everything and see what a bloody confusing mess of gui crap you get

"-I'd like a tool tip like thing to popup the date
when my cursor is over the time
(no offense, windows has been doing this
since '95, etc. i know i can click, but...)"
after using windows for many many years i prefer osx quick click to check the date, rather than windows wait 5/6 seconds tooltip

as2 · Sep 9, 2003, 05:56 PM

I know at the moment I can't afford 10.3... I will probably get it when I upgrade my mac early next year.

blackbird_1.0 · Sep 9, 2003, 10:03 PM

sushiism,

tabs:
as in openstep, a lot of osx is based on next/openstep, i won't be surprised if the docks does get tabs later on
at least make the doc non-transparant, i kinda liked the first dock osx had with the tiles,

tooltip:
even on old pcs at school, it was always faster that my 1 menubar click, this is just my personal experience

i'm not trying to attack anything

ginoledesma · Sep 9, 2003, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by Pierre B.:
There is no 10.1.6. Look for example here

Whoops. Oversight. Thanks for catching that. So that makes it 9 updates, or 10 if you include 10.1.0.

sushiism · Sep 10, 2003, 02:06 PM

blackbird_1.0:
jesus christ your mac is slow then, because me clicking on the clock brings the date up instantly, while the default windows tooltip time is around 1.5 seconds, and anyway a tooltip for the clock on osx wouldnt make it any faster and would be in fact slower because osx tooltips seem to be about 3.5 seconds because osx doesnt believe in harassing the user with tooltips they dont want/need for just not moving the mouse for a second

blackbird_1.0 · Sep 10, 2003, 05:41 PM

the windows machine i tested on on was a pre-500mhz machine, my ibook is 500 mhz, it stutters onmnce in a while but eorks good, tooltips are better than clicks on my ibook at least

sushiism · Sep 10, 2003, 06:53 PM

ok that is a bit slow thne, but a tooltip would be slower than clicking that menu ahh at least ours can show the day of the week, i really find that useful for some reason, prolly the whole late nights sleeping through day student life thing

Graymalkin · Sep 11, 2003, 12:30 AM

If you want a really quick way to check the time, run Clock.app as a dock item in digital mode. It is quick, lightweight and no waiting is required. I'm sure a little browsing would find even cooler dock clocks.

An update to Jaguar actually makes a bit of sense. Not everyone is going to want to or needs to upgrade to Panther. There's people still using Puma because it works well for them. You can't get Jaguar running on 604e based PowerMacs so Puma is the only option on those. The same with Panther on non-USB Macs. Beige G3 and Wallstreet owners are going to have to stick with Jaguar. There's also plenty of institutions that don't have the money this fiscal year to upgrade to Panther or don't want to go through the hassle of QA testing with their apps.

kzmk · Sep 11, 2003, 06:33 AM

you may want to try "fuzzy clock" over at http://www.objectpark.org -- it features the "hovering date thingy" you want, and is a great alternative to the standard menubar clock.

have fun.

suthercd · Sep 11, 2003, 07:23 AM

Perhaps there are some additional hardware capabilities that will be supported by 10.2 and this upgrade enables those. After all, Apple is a hardware company.

Craig