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Cykon · 12:33 PM

I'm very new to Mac OS X, so what is the best way to go about removing 10.2.8? Do I have to reinstall the OS? And if so, will this erase all of my files?

...or is there an easier way to wipe out 10.2.8 completely?

Developer · Sep 26, 2003, 12:51 PM

If you don't have any problems with 10.2.8 there's no need to remove it.
If you have to you can make an Archive and Install of 10.2 and then update up to 10.2.6. This will preserve your user settings and documents.

ZackS · 01:00 PM

Archive install is cool. I'm sure Apple will have it all straightened out soon though

[APi]TheMan · Sep 26, 2003, 01:12 PM

I used Carbon Copy Cloner to make a disk image of my clean install of 10.2 (with basic settings, 10.2.6 updates, and a few of the Applications I use) so that when stuff like this goes wrong I can revert to the good ole days.

My Pismo didn't get affected by the no Ethernet issue, but it did seem to start crawling about 90% more often. Man that system is slow now. 10.2.6 here I come.

danengel · Sep 26, 2003, 03:52 PM

Just downgraded from 10.2.8 to 10.2.6. Was about as painful as brushing one's teeth. Took only half an hour and makes me hope I don't get three kernel panics in half a day anymore

Scooterboy · Sep 26, 2003, 09:24 PM

Thanks for the info! I'll be downgrading to 10.2.6 tonight. I need my iBook to run on battery this weekend and 13 minutes is all 10.2.8 will give me.

nobitacu · Sep 26, 2003, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Scooterboy:
Thanks for the info! I'll be downgrading to 10.2.6 tonight. I need my iBook to run on battery this weekend and 13 minutes is all 10.2.8 will give me.

It's not that you only have 13 min of run time on full charge... just that the 10.2.8 messed up the time sensor... it should still run just as long as before without any problems...

Ming

Scooterboy · Sep 27, 2003, 09:36 AM

No, it is that I had 13 minutes of runtime on a full charge. My battery indicator was reading that I had 26 minutes, but 13 minutes after going on battery, the iBook was forced into sleep. I had to connect the AC Power Adapter to wake it up, and when I did the battery indicator showed I was charging from 0%. So that's 100% to 0% in 13 minutes. This happened several times as I tried to deep cycle and re-calibrate the battery. I hope this fresh install of 10.2.6 will have fixed this issue and returned my 2 hours runtime, as I'll be using the iBook on battery this weekend.

sniffer · Sep 27, 2003, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by Scooterboy:
No, it is that I had 13 minutes of runtime on a full charge. My battery indicator was reading that I had 26 minutes, but 13 minutes after going on battery, the iBook was forced into sleep. I had to connect the AC Power Adapter to wake it up, and when I did the battery indicator showed I was charging from 0%. So that's 100% to 0% in 13 minutes. This happened several times as I tried to deep cycle and re-calibrate the battery. I hope this fresh install of 10.2.6 will have fixed this issue and returned my 2 hours runtime, as I'll be using the iBook on battery this weekend.

Oops! There is a lot of similar threads about this exact same thing at the Apple forums, just that it's related to earlier 10.2.x upgrades and not this one. I am afraid you should prepare you're self on the worst. Sorry.

shabbasuraj · Sep 27, 2003, 04:14 PM

because of 10.2.8 i also have had to downgrade,

I ended up doing an archive and install...

and it fixed my drag and drop issue...

but now I cannot connect to theinternet since I cannot select 'DHCP' in the network preferences pane regardless of what 'method to connect' is selected...

any ideas...

should i attempt to do another archive and install..?

OSX is really annoying now (not that anyone cares)...

TIA

lates..

shabbasuraj · Sep 27, 2003, 04:28 PM

in the event that I cannot get this thing to work... how do I backup my files in such that I can do a clean install and then still have all of my data/personal files, i.e. things in iCAL, and Mail...

Do I just burn my user directory onto a CD along with all of my apps ( I don't have that many, only Office...)

and then transfer them at will into the appropriate directory?

I am a relative OSX newbie (I just switched in July) and just want to do this properly if I decide to do a clean install...

also in the format option do I select 'OS extended' or 'unix'....

thanks in advance to those who reply back..

lates..

Person Man · Sep 27, 2003, 06:57 PM

And the admin locks the thread on partitioning because he doesn't think it is necessary

SMacTech · Sep 27, 2003, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by [APi]TheMan:
I used Carbon Copy Cloner to make a disk image of my clean install of 10.2 (with basic settings, 10.2.6 updates, and a few of the Applications I use) so that when stuff like this goes wrong I can revert to the good ole days.

My Pismo didn't get affected by the no Ethernet issue, but it did seem to start crawling about 90% more often. Man that system is slow now. 10.2.6 here I come.

This Man has learned a lesson or two about upgrading.
My pismo with Panther is now a computer I can use with OS X, and with a mere 192mb.
If it isn't broke, don't fix it.

Cadaver · Sep 27, 2003, 07:29 PM

My 1GHz TiBook is perfectly happy with 10.2.8.

Just lucky I guess.

ponami · Sep 27, 2003, 07:52 PM

Except that Preview is now very good. Before it was unusable, now it is very fast viewing PDF's and anything else I open with it.
And I have installed 10.2.8 on a Gigabit G4 and a Pismo PB. no problem on either.

Terri · Sep 27, 2003, 08:14 PM

After a bunch of freezes and kernel panics over the last couple of days I just cloned my 10.2.6 install, that I had made on a Firewire drive before upgrading to 10.2.8, back on to my 17" PowerBook.

So far so good. This sure was one major mess up by Apple.

[APi]TheMan · Sep 29, 2003, 04:42 PM

Even after I wiped 10.2.8 and installed 10.26 my system still seems slow. I think I'm going to erase the whole drive (I have multiple partitions) and try again.

I can't stand this 900mhz being so slow.

kcmac · Sep 29, 2003, 07:29 PM

So...does Panther hit the street at the same time, before or after 10.2.8.1?

shabbasuraj · Sep 29, 2003, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by [APi]TheMan:
Even after I wiped 10.2.8 and installed 10.26 my system still seems slow. I think I'm going to erase the whole drive (I have multiple partitions) and try again.

I can't stand this 900mhz being so slow.

join the club...

I had to do a clean install...

10.2.8 screwed my computer hard..

now 10.2.6 is flying as it should on my 12"..

lates...

Scooterboy · Sep 30, 2003, 04:20 AM

Hi everybody,
I thought I'd post an update on my iBook, which I have started to call "my iDesk".

I did the "Archive and Install" of 10.2.6, which indicated I was performing a clean install. I really did expect this to fix my battery problem. It didn't. The battery still discharges 100% in roughly 13 minutes. Before I installed 10.2.8 it was around 2 hours actual, which isn't great for an iBook but it is the original battery. So, I'm thinking that maybe 10.2.8 really did "kill" my battery, or the Archive and Install of 10.2.6 still left intact whatever glich that's the cause of my problem. I did just now run fsck and it indicated about a full page run of "orphaned iNodes". I'll run it again to see if it fixed this, and I'll test the battery out tomorrow (I don't want to unplug it now cause it's damn late to wait even 13 minutes for it to run down).

Pierre B. · Sep 30, 2003, 08:20 AM

By the way, does anyone know if the "archive and install" option erases non-system directories as well at the root level (such as /sw/ created by fink or /usr/X11R6/ for X11)?

Scooterboy · Sep 30, 2003, 11:52 AM

Ok, now my actual battery run-time is between 5 and 10 minutes. I get a low battery warning at 88% charge, with a forced sleep soon after. This is totally unacceptable, and it is beginning to cost me in time and money.

Does anyone here have any suggestions about how I can resolve this issue? I've done all that I think I can do, and spent hours and hours trying to fix this but to no avail.

I cannot use this for my business because there are locations where I need to run my iBook on battery. It was fine before the 10.2.8 Update, and now even after wiping the update with an Archive and Install of 10.2.8, and resetting NVRAM and the PMU and recalibrating the battery countless times my iBook is unuseable unless connected to AC. This really sucks!

Footy · Sep 30, 2003, 04:45 PM

I hate to say it but looks like you need to back up the important stuff and erase your HD and reinstall OSX. Maybe try yet another Archive and Install first but if it were me I think I'd just erase and reinstall at this point.

I am currently running 10.2.8 without a hitch and hope I can hold out on the erase until Panther comes out.

-Footy

Originally posted by Scooterboy:
It was fine before the 10.2.8 Update, and now even after wiping the update with an Archive and Install of 10.2.8, and resetting NVRAM and the PMU and recalibrating the battery countless times my iBook is unuseable unless connected to AC. This really sucks!

Scooterboy · Sep 30, 2003, 05:15 PM

Maybe you're right, but this is what I had to do when I used Windows! Reformat the hard drive! There must be a better and less destructive way. I don't want to even do another Archive and Install, because it wiped out my purchased iTunes songs and I had to re-authorize the computer, leaving me only 2 more chances to do that.

What will a full reformat solve? I do have a full back-up on CD-RW from two months ago, and I can use that after backing up my current documents. This really does suck though and I wish Apple would at least give me some advice but they are very tight lipped about what seems to be a fairly common issue with 10.2.8. Damn! Maybe I'll go buy a FW hard drive to backup to but I shouldn't be going through this. I mean, I bought Apple, not Wintel! Maybe my expectations are just too high for Apple and OS X. When I had to reformat my Windows laptop I'd just shrug and do it and spend the hours getting it running.
I really did expect the Apple Software Update to be problem free. How naive of me!
One last chance for the Genius Bar to help out, and I might do the reformat tonight. Off to the Apple Store....
Any 2nd Opinions?

Terri · Sep 30, 2003, 08:55 PM

Over on Macfixit they were talking about how going back to 10.2.6 didn't fix the battery problem and Apple was hinting at replacing batteries.

Is there some kind of battery firmware or something that this update messed with, I don't know.

I'm sure that Apple must be working overtime to figure out what to do about this mess, but it is going to take time. I can almost see and here Steve himself jumping up and down while screaming at everyone.

My 17" is working great now, but it was hell getting it stable again after going back to 10.2.4.

I've been using Macs since the eighties and this has to be one of the biggest mess ups that I have seen from Apple. Well there was the laptops that burst into flames�

Scooterboy · Sep 30, 2003, 11:48 PM

The Mac Genius I talked to did a document search and found an internal document saying just that. He said that Apple is aware of the battery problem and doing an Archive and Install has no effect on the problem.

He said that Apple is working on a remedy and that they will post it to Software Update soon.

In the meantime, I have an iDesk, not an iBook. I hope the fix can repair the battery, or I'll really be needing a new one.