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iDriveX · Oct 1, 2003, 08:27 PM

Here's the new thread for B85.

I can't give anyone a definite answer yet. But I can say "Mac OS X 10.3 is the Golden Master at Build 7B85" with 85% accuracy. I might have more information later tonight as someone is supposed to give me a phone call around 9 PM PST about this.

nobitacu · Oct 1, 2003, 08:29 PM

Cool, I'm really look forward to 10.3 release later this month. Finally, the wait is almost over....

Ming

Landos Mustache · Oct 1, 2003, 08:31 PM

Lets hope that us Dual G5 owners get a free copy...

ambush · Oct 1, 2003, 08:37 PM

iDriveX, some german site beat you on the 85==GM scoop.

Spaztik · Oct 1, 2003, 08:44 PM

I am really happy that Panther is going Final, but I still don't like the icon name hilites. Why couldn't they just leave it the same as jaguar? Oh well...

I also don't like the Finder windows how they no longer have the scroll bar wells always showing because when a scroll thumb does show up... it throws your window out of whack because your icons will no longer line up right...

Probably nobody understood that last statement I made... I wish I had a screenshot... oh well.

I'm sure I'll get used to Panther... I may have to get rid of my loved Column view because it sucks in Panther.

iDriveX · Oct 1, 2003, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by ambush:
iDriveX, some german site beat you on the 85==GM scoop.

That sucks....Excuse me, I have to go end my life now.

cSurfr · Oct 1, 2003, 09:04 PM

Personally, i could care less which build is GM..I just want to see it in action, and maybe get to test drive it for myself. If panther is GM, it's only a matter of days, if not hours before it gets around.

cs

gorickey · 09:16 PM

iDrive X said it....so I believe it...keep us up-to-date after your phone call and give us a definite answer...

Thanks!

d0ubled0wn · Oct 1, 2003, 09:21 PM

I am experiencing this bug in 7b80 (and previous builds):

Am I the only one? Dunno what causes it but I'm curious if it's been fixed in 7b85.

iDriveX · Oct 1, 2003, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by d0ubled0wn:
I am experiencing this bug in 7b80 (and previous builds):

Am I the only one? Dunno what causes it but I'm curious if it's been fixed in 7b85.

Ummm...What bug?

gorickey · Oct 1, 2003, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Ummm...What bug?

Shadows? Is that what you are referring too?

hunkhuang · Oct 1, 2003, 09:31 PM

THE LINKS IS HERE ::

PANTHER 7B85

d0ubled0wn · Oct 1, 2003, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
Shadows? Is that what you are referring too?

Yeah, them shadows look FUUUUGLY!

JeremyS · Oct 1, 2003, 10:54 PM

Don't know if this was there before 7B80 but you now have iPhoto albums listed in your screen saver and desktop settings, pretty cool!!

nforcer · Oct 1, 2003, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Here's the new thread for B85.

I can't give anyone a definite answer yet. But I can say "Mac OS X 10.3 is the Golden Master at Build 7B85" with 85% accuracy. I might have more information later tonight as someone is supposed to give me a phone call around 9 PM PST about this.

How did you determine 85% accuracy? And it's about 30 minutes past 9 PM Pacific time now. What's the word from your "source"?

I'm going to remain skeptical on the 7B85 GM claim until a later build appears that contradicts this, or until I receive my copy of it. It just seems like an awful lot of sites received some kind of "confirmation" on 7B85 being the GM at about the same time, which would seem to imply that there might be one "source" behind this all. And I typically don't like to base information on a single source.

Brass · Oct 1, 2003, 11:36 PM

Like I said in another thread, if anyone actually ever gets any real information, please do NOT post it here, but please create a new thread. We wouldn't want to spoil this thread by including any actual information about a new build of the OS!

k2director · Oct 2, 2003, 12:26 AM

Wait....how could we have an OS X golden master without Piracy first coming online to berate everyone? What's the world coming to?

quandarry · Oct 2, 2003, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by d0ubled0wn:
I am experiencing this bug in 7b80 (and previous builds):

Am I the only one? Dunno what causes it but I'm curious if it's been fixed in 7b85.

did you report the bug to apple?

quandarry · 01:28 AM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
I can't give anyone a definite answer yet. But I can say "Mac OS X 10.3 is the Golden Master at Build 7B85" with 85% accuracy. I might have more information later tonight as someone is supposed to give me a phone call around 9 PM PST about this.

funny idrive but i get news of this stuff before you do and i have no informant!

are you sure it's not 7B86?

i think you'll have your definite answer when you find it on the web...

iDriveX · Oct 2, 2003, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by quandarry:
funny idrive but i get news of this stuff before you do and i have no informant!

i think you'll have your definite answer when you find it on the web...

I'm sorry my news is slow. Oh wait. No I don't.

Well ****, looks like I am going to put all my marbles on the table here:

7B85 is the Golden Master and has already gone to press.

But I'm sure that there will end up being two 7B85's and that you won't get the one that I was seeded.*

*That was an attempt at sarcasm, hinting back to the "two versions" of Build 4K78 that circulated back when Mac OS X 10.0 was first seeded but was later found to be bit-for-bit identical.

quandarry · Oct 2, 2003, 01:58 AM

Panther 7B85 and Prior Builds Appear as Final Candidates Oct-01-2003 01:00 PM
Apple has not seeded its Apple Developer Connection members with a seed of Mac OS X 10.3 Panther in almost two weeks. Internally, progress on the next-generation Macintosh operating system has pressed on, with new builds being distributed for testing on a daily basis.

One of the latest builds, 7B85, contains only two noticeable tweaks since build 7B80, sources said. The system installer contains some text placement adjustments, and the large "X" setup assistant splash screen no longer reads "Mac OS X Panther Getting Started." Instead, the solitary aluminum "X", overlaying a black canvas, devours the screen for several seconds as a musical theme begins to play.

Apple to Declare Mac OS X Panther Gold Master Oct-01-2003 05:00 PM

An anonymous submission to AppleInsider claims that Mac OS X 10.3 will indeed ship this month and that build 7B86 will be declared the Gold Master, if 7B85 has not assumed that role already. A second -- unconfirmed report -- states that 7B85 is indeed the final product and that it will be the version forwarded for duplication.

Apple was actively seeding daily builds of Mac OS X 10.3 Panther until a couple of days ago, when the seedings seemingly halted at build 7B85.

All system components, as of build 7B85, reflect final status. Only Boot ROMs remain in the final candidate stage. However, it is customary for Apple to release systems to the public with these ROMs in such a state.

Additionally, depending on geographical location, it seems that both the October 24th date reported by MacRumors.com and the October 25th date reported by AppleInsider sources, are of accuracy.

Stay tuned for further updates.

http://www.appleinsider.com/news/

Diggory Laycock · Oct 2, 2003, 05:42 AM

Would someone with a build > 7B74 confirm that this bug I filed is still there?

Open Script Editor
paste the Following into a new document: Display Dialog "Hello World"
Save the Document as "Hello" and with file format "Script"

Copy the script you just created to ~/Library/Speech/Speakable Items/

Start Speakable Items
Trigger the script by saying "Hello"

Does the script execute? Do you get a dialog shown? (you can tell when the command has been recognised because you get a tool tip on the Speakable Items window that reads "Hello")

ambush · Oct 2, 2003, 06:07 AM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
I'm sorry my news is slow. Oh wait. No I don't.

Well ****, looks like I am going to put all my marbles on the table here:

7B85 is the Golden Master and has already gone to press.

But I'm sure that there will end up being two 7B85's and that you won't get the one that I was seeded.*

*That was an attempt at sarcasm, hinting back to the "two versions" of Build 4K78 that circulated back when Mac OS X 10.0 was first seeded but was later found to be bit-for-bit identical.

you're just repeating what the rumours sites say. but OK.

- - e r i k - - · Oct 2, 2003, 06:07 AM

Originally posted by Diggory Laycock:
Would someone with a build > 7B74 confirm that this bug I filed is still there?

Open Script Editor
paste the Following into a new document: Display Dialog "Hello World"
Save the Document as "Hello" and with file format "Script"

Copy the script you just created to ~/Library/Speech/Speakable Items/

Start Speakable Items
Trigger the script by saying "Hello"

Does the script execute? Do you get a dialog shown? (you can tell when the command has been recognised because you get a tool tip on the Speakable Items window that reads "Hello")

Has uncompiled scripts EVER worked as a speakable item?

Xeo · Oct 2, 2003, 06:16 AM

So what's the news on Server? I'm excited for its release. Is it a simultaneous release?

Oh, and if Panther has gone to press, why can't we even pre-order it yet? Or have I missed that somewhere?

gorickey · 07:44 PM

Originally posted by Xeo:
So what's the news on Server? I'm excited for its release. Is it a simultaneous release?

Oh, and if Panther has gone to press, why can't we even pre-order it yet? Or have I missed that somewhere?

OSXS has always followed the client release by a few weeks or so...I expect the same here.

Diggory Laycock · Oct 2, 2003, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
Has uncompiled scripts EVER worked as a speakable item?

From an Apple Employee's email to me replying to a Q on the AppleScript Users Mailling List:

>In what format do Scripts need to be in order to work as "Speakable Items"?

>I thought that they need to be compiled scripts, but I have the newer beta of Script Editor 2 (v36) which does not seem to have that option for saving. It has "Text" , "Script" , "Script Bundle", "Application" and "Application Bundle"

>Which is suitable? Only the Application form seem to work for me. Which seems a bit over the top.

Use "script"; it's the same thing as the older "compiled script". Theoretically, script bundle and application bundle should also work, but Speakable Items hasn't caught up yet. (Remember, you're using a (Script Editor) beta, so it's a bit ahead of the times.)

awaspaas · Oct 2, 2003, 07:52 AM

I sure hope they improve Font Book soon, it is NOT ready for prime time in 7B80 anyway.

quadgrande · Oct 2, 2003, 08:09 AM

This build is not currently posted on the ADC website.

gorickey · Oct 2, 2003, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by quadgrande:
This build is not currently posted on the ADC website.

There hasn't been in a few weeks...these are all internal builds...

MasonMcD · Oct 2, 2003, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by Diggory Laycock:
From an Apple Employee's email to me replying to a Q on the AppleScript Users Mailling List:

It works for me. The default setting for me was to first say "Computer" before a speakable item, so it worked when I said "Computer, Hello."

Xeo · 11:28 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
OSXS has always followed the client release by a few weeks or so...I expect the same here.

But didn't Jag Server have the same ship date as Jag Client? I think I remember them both shipping Aug. 24th, 2002. That's why I'm curious about Panther.

gorickey · Oct 2, 2003, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Xeo:
But didn't Jag Server have the same ship date as Jag Client? I think I remember them both shipping Aug. 24th, 2002. That's why I'm curious about Panther.

Well, we can only hope...if not at the same time, it'll be darn close! And yes, Jaguar Client and Server were released the same time I believe as well...

Liquidity X · Oct 2, 2003, 12:20 PM

b85 is GM client
b86 i Gm server

As of now that is what I hear from my sources at Apple, as long as nothing last minute pops up.

Zimphire · Oct 2, 2003, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by d0ubled0wn:
I am experiencing this bug in 7b80 (and previous builds):

Am I the only one? Dunno what causes it but I'm curious if it's been fixed in 7b85.

I haven't ran into that bug.

Do you fresh install or just install over top of older build?

Zimphire · Oct 2, 2003, 12:29 PM

Congratulations iDrive, you were right, again.

clarkgoble · Oct 2, 2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by awaspaas:
I sure hope they improve Font Book soon, it is NOT ready for prime time in 7B80 anyway.

In what way?

I half-way suspect that they just want to get it out this month and that within a week or two there will be a 10.3.1 just as what happened with 10.2. (Or did that update happen within a week?)

quandarry · Oct 2, 2003, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Congratulations iDrive, you were right, again.

right about what? about stuff that was up on the regular rumor sites before he even got outta bed...

WICKEDfour · Oct 2, 2003, 03:28 PM

Hey, I was wondering..
AppleInsider was talking about "grayer" parts of the interface... lemmie get the actual quote:

From AppleInsider:
"...including system-wide window alterations that reflect 'grayer' tint in areas that previously sported an aqua-like feel. This move seems to be consistent with the metallic scheme Apple intents to present with Mac OS X 10.3."

Also, from earlier:
"Meanwhile, a new source tells AppleInsider that Apple's Human Interface division has been busy creating a revised version of the aluminum theme for inclusion in an update to Mac OS X 10.3 (or possibly Mac OS X 10.4) sometime next year. "The revision exists as simply nothing more than a prototype, at the moment," the source says. It's rumored to be 'slightly darker' and 'smoother' than the current theme. Other alterations include tweaking of the dark-faced font and buttons that constitute interactive portions of the theme."

Has anyone seen any indications of either of these things, or at least anything showing a grayer tint throughout the GUI?

Agasthya · Oct 2, 2003, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Liquidity X:
b85 is GM client
b86 i Gm server

As of now that is what I hear from my sources at Apple, as long as nothing last minute pops up.

your sources at apple meaning MacRumors Page 2? Because its been on MacRumors page two since this morning.

dole · Oct 2, 2003, 03:44 PM

hmm

I hope that it really is GM

http://www.powerpage.org/cgi-bin/Web...y?newsID=11453

d0ubled0wn · Oct 2, 2003, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I haven't ran into that bug.

Do you fresh install or just install over top of older build?

I use the archive and keep accounts option.

Zimphire · Oct 2, 2003, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by quandarry:
right about what? about stuff that was up on the regular rumor sites before he even got outta bed...

When his first post was made, I didn't see any information on any web pages regarding it.

gregpins · Oct 2, 2003, 04:34 PM

Question about Mail in latest builds:

Is it possible to set a preference to have unread messages be marked by being in bold face rather than the little blue dot? A small thing, but I much prefer boldfacing (like just about every other e-mail program I can think of) versus the dot.

Just curious, thanx in advance.

gregpins · Oct 2, 2003, 05:15 PM

Also, how has Exchange support shaped up in recent builds?

besson3c · Oct 2, 2003, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by gregpins:
Also, how has Exchange support shaped up in recent builds?

iSync supports syncing with Exchange, Mail has better IMAP Exchange support, Address Book will sync with the Exchange GAL, and Address Book will now authenticate to ADS (meaning you can access the Exchange GAL via LDAP supported apps such as Mail). This is assuming that the Exchange server is setup to allow IMAP connections, and supports LDAP queries via ADS. ADS is a requirement with Exchange 2000, so it might be that these features only work with Exchange 2000 servers.

Does this answer your question?

besson3c · Oct 2, 2003, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by gregpins:
Question about Mail in latest builds:

Is it possible to set a preference to have unread messages be marked by being in bold face rather than the little blue dot? A small thing, but I much prefer boldfacing (like just about every other e-mail program I can think of) versus the dot.

Just curious, thanx in advance.

No

besson3c · Oct 2, 2003, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I haven't ran into that bug.

Do you fresh install or just install over top of older build?

I've had this problem with the last few builds at least (weird shadows). I've done archive and installs each time. I arrange my icons by name, so the icon positioning is always jumping around.

It may have to do something with the icon size, grid, or some combination thereof but I have had this problem on 2 different machines (it still exists in 80)

Xeo · Oct 2, 2003, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by besson3c:
I've had this problem with the last few builds at least (weird shadows). I've done archive and installs each time. I arrange my icons by name, so the icon positioning is always jumping around.

It may have to do something with the icon size, grid, or some combination thereof but I have had this problem on 2 different machines (it still exists in 80)

Fresh install of b80 and I also saw it on the Desktop. I then opened the view options, resized the icons a little, and the abnormality went away. Try it and see if it fixes it for you. (Temp solution, but it'll show we're talking about the same thing, at least.)

mikemako · Oct 2, 2003, 07:37 PM

In the most recent build, is it possible to specify in Mail whether you're sending attachments to a Mac, Windows, or both (like in Entourage)? Some of my friends get confused with the strange method Mail has of sending double files.

Do iTunes visualizations still pause when it moves onto the next song? Does burning a CD with "0" second gap between songs still create a CD with a split second gap between tracks?

Thank you for answering.