[danengel]

Just wonder if you could add some details:

Public Beta: Slow like molasses, made my iBook almost tranquilizing

10.0: Buggy, slow

10.1: A bit snappier, still buggy, Finder sucks

10.2: First OS X for the masses, speedy, Finder was kinda usable

[smitty825]

Originally posted by danengel:
Just wonder if you could add some details:

Public Beta: Slow like molasses, made my iBook almost tranquilizing

10.0: Buggy, slow

10.1: A bit snappier, still buggy, Finder sucks

10.2: First OS X for the masses, speedy, Finder was kinda usable

Public Beta: Not Free
10.0: Not Free (though slight discount for Public Beta People)...aka Public Beta #2
10.1: Free...due to large amount of pressure from Apple Customers. aka: Final Public Beta
10.2: Not Free. Should be called 10.0
10.3: Not Free. Even for Powerbook owners who have ordered their machines, but still haven't recieved them yet...

[CatOne]

Originally posted by smitty825:
Public Beta: Not Free
10.0: Not Free (though slight discount for Public Beta People)...aka Public Beta #2
10.1: Free...due to large amount of pressure from Apple Customers. aka: Final Public Beta
10.2: Not Free. Should be called 10.0
10.3: Not Free. Even for Powerbook owners who have ordered their machines, but still haven't recieved them yet...

Maybe you should go to Windows?

[Kenneth]

Originally posted by smitty825:
Public Beta: Not Free
10.0: Not Free (though slight discount for Public Beta People)...aka Public Beta #2
10.1: Free...due to large amount of pressure from Apple Customers. aka: Final Public Beta
10.2: Not Free. Should be called 10.0
10.3: Not Free. Even for Powerbook owners who have ordered their machines, but still haven't recieved them yet...

What operating system are you using?

Either you are running on a Mac which is barely met the minimum requirement or a Windows troll.

My Mac OS X experience began with DP4 on my Bondi Blue iMac.. not bad at all.

[iDriveX]

Or you could try being positive:

Mac OS X Public Beta: Wow what a trip! Remember those days trying out that new software. Remember Apple's Mp3 Player.app, the precursor to iTunes! Ahhh Memories...

Mac OS X 10.0: No DVD playing...No CD Burning....But the apps were being built....Remember waiting and waiting for Microsoft Office AND PHOTOSHOP....God that took forever...Memories...

Mac OS X 10.1: CD BURNING! WHOO HOOO! And the Speed increase! From 10.0 it was amazing. What would the future of the Mac OS Hold. This had everything we needed...except stability and more speed...but those are minor details

Mac OS X 10.2: Remember the Jaguar Release Party? The Faux Leopard Print desktop pictures. Speed Speed Speed. This was finally it, a great OS!

And Now Mac OS X 10.3: Look how much has changed since March 24th, 2001. Imagine what will change in two years from now!

[SupahCoolX]

New Powerbook owners have been getting Panther free. See here.

Anyway:
PB- Ooh, look at the pretty colors!
10.0- OK.. shows some promise
10.1- Not bad! Everyday OS.
10.2- Kick ass! Goodbye OS9 *empty trash*
10.3- Don't know yet...

[Person Man]

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Mac OS X Public Beta: Wow what a trip! Remember those days trying out that new software. Remember Apple's Mp3 Player.app, the precursor to iTunes! Ahhh Memories...

Actually, the "real" precursor to iTunes was SoundJam. Remember the SoundJam OS X Public Preview?

[jasong]

Remember it, I still have it! If you set your clock back, it still runs under 10.2.

-- Jason

[mishap]

I remember getting KPs in iTunes with OSX v10.0 while simply trying to play an mp3

Now in 10.2 i can play mp3s, burn cds and do other tasks as well.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Kenneth:
What operating system are you using?

Either you are running on a Mac which is barely met the minimum requirement or a Windows troll.

My Mac OS X experience began with DP4 on my Bondi Blue iMac.. not bad at all.

Hahahaha. Yeah, right.

I ran DP4 on my G4, and that moment is when I lost faith in OS X. It was beyond horrible. Before that, I was an avid supporter.

It was pathetic. PB, 10.0, etc - did nothing to help that.

10.1 became barely acceptable.

10.2 became good.

10.3 should kick some ass.

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Or you could try being positive:

Mac OS X Public Beta: Wow what a trip! Remember those days trying out that new software. Remember Apple's Mp3 Player.app, the precursor to iTunes! Ahhh Memories...

Mac OS X 10.0: No DVD playing...No CD Burning....But the apps were being built....Remember waiting and waiting for Microsoft Office AND PHOTOSHOP....God that took forever...Memories...

Mac OS X 10.1: CD BURNING! WHOO HOOO! And the Speed increase! From 10.0 it was amazing. What would the future of the Mac OS Hold. This had everything we needed...except stability and more speed...but those are minor details

Mac OS X 10.2: Remember the Jaguar Release Party? The Faux Leopard Print desktop pictures. Speed Speed Speed. This was finally it, a great OS!

And Now Mac OS X 10.3: Look how much has changed since March 24th, 2001. Imagine what will change in two years from now!

Riiiight...

[Adam Betts]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
Riiiight...

Are you that miserable? Grow up please.

iDriveX, I have the exact feeling. Those were the good memories. I couldn't imagine how I survived the old blurry Aqua though Back in that time, I never noticed anything wrong with that old Aqua.

I remembered when I first saw the Genie Effect, my jaw dropped big time. It's just.. unbelievable.

[Sarc]

I remember that the speed bump seen from 10.0 to 10.1 made OS X usable overnight.
Plus increased stability, and greater support from 3rd party developers where key components that IMHO made that update the most critical one.

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
iDriveX, I have the exact feeling. Those were the good memories. I couldn't imagine how I survived the old blurry Aqua though Back in that time, I never noticed anything wrong with that old Aqua.

Yup, I remember the old Aqua days too ... and it was bugly ... I remember seeing the glassy version of the early Jaguar builds and instantly extracted Extras.rsrc into my 10.1 install.
Now that was a pleasnt change.

[iDriveX]

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
Are you that miserable? Grow up please.

iDriveX, I have the exact feeling. Those were the good memories. I couldn't imagine how I survived the old blurry Aqua though Back in that time, I never noticed anything wrong with that old Aqua.

I remembered when I first saw the Genie Effect, my jaw dropped big time. It's just.. unbelievable.

I remember two things specifically. I remember making excuses to all my Windows friends on why I couldn't watch DVDs on my computer or burn CDs, yet they were still blown away by the simultaneous tasks you could do in 10.0.

Secondly, I remember buying my first external FireWire CD-RW (4x CD-R My Friends!) and when (I think) 10.0.3 was first released (cause 10.0.2 was bad bad bad) hooking it up and burning my first CD from iTunes...(It took about 5 times because of buffer underrun errors but it finally worked!!!!!)

[blackbird_1.0]

if your purchase invoice is on or after 10/8 then i think you can get panther at discount/free

[Xeo]

There are two types of people in this thread: 1) Those who want an OS just to get their work done (Professionals), and 2) those who love just getting the new OS and playing with it (Enthusiasts).

People of type 1 hated everything OS X until Jag because everything else was slow and buggy. People of type 2 loved OS X from the start because each release was a new frontier to explore, and could care less if exploring meant walking through mud.

I find myself in type 2, but definitely see the point of type 1. I didn't care too much about the speed (or lack there of) of earlier OS X releases, but that didn't mean I enjoyed it when I was trying to actually get work done.

Remember when Classic had a desktop and a menubar? It was like VPC for OS 9!

[Jellytussle]

Originally posted by Xeo:
There are two types of people in this thread: 1) Those who want an OS just to get their work done (Professionals), and 2) those who love just getting the new OS and playing with it (Enthusiasts).

<snip>

Well, you can be both. From a server point of view, even MOSX1.2 (pre aqua, pre DP3) had its merits. Server from 10.1 was more than useable. I haven't got many clients who took the X plunge before 10.2, though, But i ran it since DP4, pretty much as my daily OS at home. Those early days of watching versiontracker and Scott Anguish's site ( what's that called?) for ANY piece of native software. Great fun.

[clebin]

Let's take it back a little bit further....

8.0 - new Platinum appearance, contextual menus and Desktop Pictures make System look like the modern OS it should've looked like 5 years earlier. Ah, tabbed windows and windowshade.

8.5 - Appearance themes and the overhyped Sherlock, a host of UI improvements like the improved application menu, proportional scroll thumbs (though inexplicably not implemented like the earlier shareware fix), resizable columns in the Finder and more. The MacOS just about reaches its pinnacle of usability.

9.0 - yawn-some release and a waste of money if you owned 8.5/6. New Sherlock is still overhyped, voiceprint passwords are not useful, fudged multiuser functionality and other rarely used features.

OS X Public Beta - great to look at and play around with if not exactly productive. No Apple menu and no drives on the desktop a sore point (rightly or wrongly)

OS X 10.0 - more of the same really, but really beginning to show it's potential

OS X 10.1 - great release mostly for it's improvements under the bonnet, CD burning.

OS X 10.2 - Niceties and performance improvements, Mail is multithreaded at last, Windows shares browseable, spring-loaded folders shut people up, new Sherlock still overhyped, Finder is still second-rate, exceptional Help Viewer rewrite adds 3 weeks to the launch time.

OS X 10.3 - More under the bonnet (/hood) improvements, Expose and Fast User Switching the only major features. Steve Jobs' reality distortion field strains at the complete lack of innovation in the Finder, calling it "User-centric" and offering one-click access to your favourite folders (just like before except with highlighted colours!). Much bigger than 8.5-9.0, but one of the least compelling releases so far.

Chris

[Eug]

OS 8/9 - Unstable and an anachronism.
X.0 - OS X slow and there wasn't app support. Pre-beta.
X.1 - When I bought my iBook (after 10 years of not owning an Apple). A solid but beta OS.
X.1.3 - OS X ready for the masses but app support still lacking.
X.2 - OS X even better and app support reached critical mass. I had no problems recommending X.2 to anyone consider switching to OS X.
X.3 - Awesome. It's even faster, and Expose simply rules.

Now running on a TiBook SD 1 GHz, with Radeon 9000. Looking forward to my PowerBook G5 with X.4. I will buy it as soon as it's out, given my very positive experiences with X.

[danengel]

Remember when the Apple was still in the middle of the menubar? It took a some time until Steve was convinced to take it out.

[danengel]

Yes, and: System 7.1 was probably the most stable MacOS ever. It didn't do that much, though...

System 7: Multi Finder. People could suddenly have more than one app open at the same time.

System 2 or something: Dragging a disk icon to the trash ejects it. The best thing since sliced bread, although completely illogical.

[Powaqqatsi]

Originally posted by danengel:
Yes, and: System 7.1 was probably the most stable MacOS ever. It didn't do that much, though...

System 7: Multi Finder. People could suddenly have more than one app open at the same time.

System 2 or something: Dragging a disk icon to the trash ejects it. The best thing since sliced bread, although completely illogical.

MultiFinder existed long before System 7 IIRC.

[littlegreenspud]

Yup I have multi finder on my Mac plus running OS 6.

[moonmonkey]

Originally posted by danengel:
System 7: Multi Finder. People could suddenly have more than one app open at the same time.

Multifinder is System 6.
System 7 gave us the amazing 16 colour icons!

System 7 was the most amazing release ever.

[LeeG]

I would definitely say I fall into the 'group 2' - enthusiast.
Here's my take, but I'd love to see someone break down the timeline into the point releases (eg 10.2.1, 10.2.2, 10.2.3, etc). Oh, and what was it, iTunes 3 that erased people's home directories??

Public Beta: I thought the public beta was REALLY cool - though not a day-to-day OS, a shining glimpse of what could be.

10.0: Agreed, Still a beta. Better, (was the apple moved in this release?) But still lacked things that ANY modern OS should have - CD burning, etc.

10.1: Official OSX release - now we just need major apps/developers, and still need SPEED (debug code still present).

10.2: I disagree with some above posts that this was not the bomb - OSX has come into its own. I still tell people you need pretty modern hardware to run this at an acceptable speed (my dad's G3/400 still runs OS 9), but all the baseline stuff is up and running, major developer support is there, and now apple plays with bells and whistles, and improves on software (iLife, safari).

10.3: I have not used it. I have read everyones reviews, but I wanted to experience the quantum leap all at once with the final release version (an un-tainted exposure). I think this will be THE release. FAST FAST FAST (esp on older hardware/procs which will help justify there still being a G3 in the product line- though it seems IBM will help that situation), and some more bells and whistles - expose, starting to make real use of earlier OSX technologies (QE).

As for the new finder, I have not used it, and all brushed metal debate aside, I think it looks great. I think the idea of showing the home directory as the root of the drive is a REALLY good one from a basic users perspective. Macheads will figure out how to go where they need to, but I want mom and dad to think that their home directory is the basis for their file management, and it seems the new finder does this well. The idea of scrolling back (in column view) to the root of the drive, and then forward to the users folder etc etc is contrived and confusing (why are there 2 library folders??? - sarcasm) for the average user (who prob only has 1 user on the machine anyway). Make this invisible to the casual user and you simplify the navigation.

Anyway, can't wait for Panther, I think the networking, navigation, quartz extreme, are all coming into their own, and visually the OS is really matured - beautiful stuff-

Now where is finder-based session burning of CDs??? 10.4? 10.5??


Lee

[dont.wanna.tell]

6.0.4 and on... (at least I think so, may be even earlier)
Do you guys remember the intro game that came with every mac at that time?
I just loved the tutorial on how to move the mouse and see all those birds fly away, explore the house, have menus explained to me as "roll up kind of thing" Ahh...
Oh, and do you remember Broderbounds Schuflepuck?

7.1 This was when I was able to convince my Dad that we absolutely needed this memory upgrade to 12 Megabytes for that IIci so I could play Spaceship Warlock. I still remember the amazing graphics...

Ohhh and those where the days when I started to programm in HyperCard <sniff>.

My skills have evolved and so has the power of my programming environment (Cocoa rocks) but, well, I'm still searching for something that has this expressive power of a HyperCard stack. </sniff>

That was all the old time. I remember collecting icons and sound files just for the fun of it and to fill up this 200 Megabyte SyQuest drive. Well, it took me a long time. And all this searching around on the MacUserGroup CD (man was there an incredibly amount of Software on that thing).

8.0 - 8.1 - 8.6 I just remember that this was incredibly buggy at first. Well I still have a system running on 8.6 with a selfmade HyperCard system to run my moms medical practice. Man that was a time when I recently had to switch the system to euro... Did I tell how much I like HyperCard?

9.1 Don't remember much about this.

Oh, and all those betas of OS X... Used them all, most of them on a daily basis.
Though, I still miss the Mp3Player.app.

PublicBeta and onwards. Well, I think you can call me an early adoptor. I still remember the fun of seing an open-source programm play dvd's before apple was able to do it themselves... <gg>

Now I look forward to Panther because I really like Exposé and the new Finder. Using the new and old one together just makes me scream on how much this little change (folders on the left) makes this new thing better! (That and the new open/save dialog-boxes).

[danengel]

Oh, and do you remember Broderbounds Shufflepuck?

I liked it very much, but it wasn't half as good as OIDS!

[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by clebin:

OS X 10.3 - More under the bonnet (/hood) improvements, Expose and Fast User Switching the only major features. Steve Jobs' reality distortion field strains at the complete lack of innovation in the Finder, calling it "User-centric" and offering one-click access to your favourite folders (just like before except with highlighted colours!). Much bigger than 8.5-9.0, but one of the least compelling releases so far.

Chris

I take it you haven't used 10.3 yet?

[kovacs]

Ooh man, I remember playing with the genie effect and dock magnification for hours, but now I have turned them both off. I still have pictures of my dock in OS 10.0, stripes, ugly OS 9 icons, no dock seperators and a bleu arrow under the active app...aaah those were the days, but I'm glad they are over...

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally posted by danengel:
I liked it very much, but it wasn't half as good as OIDS!

Ah yes... OIDS

[jasong]

I refuse to "upgrade" until someone ports The Grouch from System 7 to Mac OS X!

-- Jason

[Geobunny]

Originally posted by kovacs:
Ooh man, I remember playing with the genie effect and dock magnification for hours, but now I have turned them both off. I still have pictures of my dock in OS 10.0, stripes, ugly OS 9 icons, no dock seperators and a bleu arrow under the active app...aaah those were the days, but I'm glad they are over...

I agree with everything you say...apart from the bit about the blue arrow. I really miss that, I'd like it back but I think it's gone for good (well, bad actually, but you know what I mean!)

[eyadams]

Two details that I find significant:

Public Beta: No Apple menu. Instead, in the middle of the menu bar is a blue apple logo that serves to purpose.
...
10.3: No more support for "Beige" G3s.

[Drakino]

Public Beta: Never saw it
OS 10.0 : Played with it release night, was sold that Apple finally had a modern operating system. Began counting pennies.
OS 10.1 : Enough pennies saved to buy a used iMac 500mHz. Began working with the OS from time to time to see how likely a transition was.
OS 10.2 : Sold on the OS, but not on the bulk of the iMac. Sold it to a friend and bought a G4 Cube. G4 Cube moved to work, since a desktop at home is simply a gaming machine. Have since upgraded the video and use it daily as a dual monitor system to get my work done. 10.2 also preloaded on my Powerbook, signaling my transition to the Mac. PC laptop retired.
OS 10.3 : Will be bought on release night from the same local reseller that introduced me to OS X.

[clebin]

Originally posted by Catfish_Man:
I take it you haven't used 10.3 yet?

I have used it. Fast user switching is good and I love Expose. These are the reasons I'll buy it.

Other than that, I don't see much that's a big deal. I'm looking forward to it, just as I look forward to any MacOS upgrade, but I just don't see the quantum leap that some people are talking about.

The Finder is the most disappointing - it's just a collection of bug-fixes, overdue performance fixes and minor features from OS 9 or 1990s Windows. How many more upgrades to we have to buy before we have a Finder that acts the part for the 2000s?

Sorry to be a grumpy old bugger, but as Cipher 13 is postively overjoyed by his standards, I feel someone has to darken the mood!

Chris

[Michel Fortin]

What about this:

• First Macintosh: January 24, 1984
• Mac OS X 10.0: March 24, 2001
• Mac OS X 10.1: September 24, 2001
• Mac OS X 10.2 "Jaguar": August 24, 2002
• Mac OS X 10.3 "Panther": October 24, 2003

But did you knew Steve Jobs birth date was Febuary 24, 1955?

Now, let's take a guess...

• Mac OS X 10.4 "Cheetah": November 24, 2004

[iDriveX]

Originally posted by Michel Fortin:
What about this:

• First Macintosh: January 24, 1984
• Mac OS X 10.0: March 24, 2001
• Mac OS X 10.1: September 24, 2001
• Mac OS X 10.2 "Jaguar": August 24, 2002
• Mac OS X 10.3 "Panther": October 24, 2003

But did you knew Steve Jobs birth date was Febuary 24, 1955?

Now, let's take a guess...

• Mac OS X 10.4 "Cheetah": November 24, 2004

Just FYI:

Mac OS X 10.0, Codenamed: Cheetah
Mac OS X 10.1, Codenamed: Puma
Mac OS X 10.2, Codenamed: Jaguar
Mac OS X 10.3, Codenamed: Panther

And as far as I know, the working codename for Mac OS X 10.4 is Lynx.

[barbarian]

10.0 DR - Gigantic everything. Funky. OS 9 Appearance optional.
10.0 Preview Release - I want to kill myself it's so slow. I can't believe this.
10.0- Ditto. Options I need options.
10.1- Ok useable, but I still spend lots of time in 9.
10.2- Finally fast enough to do real work. Bye. Bye OS 9. Can't believe I still can't control the system and finder fonts. Windowshade makes my workflow better.
10.3- Almost there... but the finder is still a bit slow and I would have been much more impressed if we had real metadata support and more user control over the desktop. Would like a revamped dock.