[ebuddy]

I've read a lot of rumors about Panther being configured in such a way to run very well on old iMacs. Specifically, a tangerine iMac. Jaguar runs okay on the iMac. Just okay. Will Panther work on this iMac???

The rumors say yes and will rival OS9.2 speeds, Mac "officials" say no. Video RAM required exceeds that which I have in that machine?

What say you?!

[typoon]

It should work and it should be faster.

[zen]

Originally posted by ebuddy:
I've read a lot of rumors about Panther being configured in such a way to run very well on old iMacs. Specifically, a tangerine iMac. Jaguar runs okay on the iMac. Just okay. Will Panther work on this iMac???

The rumors say yes and will rival OS9.2 speeds, Mac "officials" say no. Video RAM required exceeds that which I have in that machine?

What say you?!

I'm installing Panther on a 333 MHz iMac, with 288 MB RAM. Jaguar is fine but a little slow, I expect Panther to be faster.

Don't expect any change in video performance though. I have 2D acceleration only - which means I can at least play movie files!

Zen

[MindFad]

Pfft. OS 9 speeds? You need to boot up 9 and play with it some more. Panther comes damn close, so much so most won't even notice. But not quite OS 9 GUI performance. Menu performance, contextual and otherwise, is really a lot faster in Panther. Window-resizing is faster, though still not too great in brushed apps—but who sits at a computer and uses window resizing as a measurement of performance? Scrolling still sucks, though—I wish they would get that to OS 9 speeds. Scrolling is pretty much as fast as Jaguar, maybe a tad bit faster, though in full-sized windows (like browsers, for example), your scrolling framerate drops by a noticeable margin—well, if you're used to OS 9, anyway. It's more irritating than anything else.

Still, all of that is trivial—OS X will run circles around OS 9 any day, all day.

You will love Panther.

[clebin]

Originally posted by ebuddy:
I've read a lot of rumors about Panther being configured in such a way to run very well on old iMacs. Specifically, a tangerine iMac. Jaguar runs okay on the iMac. Just okay. Will Panther work on this iMac???

The rumors say yes and will rival OS9.2 speeds, Mac "officials" say no. Video RAM required exceeds that which I have in that machine?

What say you?!

The rumours are clearly wrong, if you're talking about anything involving a GUI. People have been repeating the same thing with every release since Public Beta and it gets pretty tiresome.

OS X's Quartz display will never ever be as fast a bitmapped display. If you've used Panther and don't agree, go and use OS 9 for a while. It's bloody fast. Pretty crap, of course, but bloody fast.

This kind of thing just encourages people to get their hopes up, and then they get disappointed. Maybe it is a bit faster - if I can hack it onto my Beige 266, I'll confirm, but it's always going to be a bit slow.

Chris

[bOOzo]

I'd like to know if there are any OpenGl drivers for iMacs? My brother uses a rev D 333 Mhz iMac, and he is not using OS X cause he can't play Myth II on it, because there are no OpenGL drivers.. has this changed?

[DanMacMan]

Originally posted by bOOzo:
I'd like to know if there are any OpenGl drivers for iMacs? My brother uses a rev D 333 Mhz iMac, and he is not using OS X cause he can't play Myth II on it, because there are no OpenGL drivers.. has this changed?

I too have a 333 iMac, and would love at lest some sort of Open GL driver, if for no other reason than to be able to run a screen saver decently Eesshh, can't wait until I get a new generation Mac.

[SOLIDAge]

Installed Panther on office Bondi last night w/ 160 meg ram...
happy to report, Safar opens completly in 2 bounces, Photoshop is completly usable, and AIM is also usable all at once...i'd say a pretty good upgrade.

[ZackS]

Originally posted by clebin:
The rumours are clearly wrong, if you're talking about anything involving a GUI. People have been repeating the same thing with every release since Public Beta and it gets pretty tiresome.

Yes, they say the same thing every release but the "OS 9 mark" as it were keeps slipping back. Public Beta was unusable. 10.0 was really unusable because of missing features and a lack of software but it could run decently on brand new hardware at the time. 10.1 pushed the usability mark to any G4 and the last G3s and introduced the OS 9 mark on about a 667MHz G4. Jaguar moved usability back just a bit (iMacs, beige towers) and the OS 9 mark to about a G4/400 or so if you bought a new graphics card to use Quartz Extreme (like I did). Now with Panther the OS 9 mark is back around the 333 iMac and I actually got it running phenomenally well on a 266MHz Wallstreet G3 Powerbook. I think Panther just might have hit critical mass with optimizations though.

Originally posted by clebin:
OS X's Quartz display will never ever be as fast a bitmapped display. If you've used Panther and don't agree, go and use OS 9 for a while. It's bloody fast. Pretty crap, of course, but bloody fast.

The last system to run 9, the dual 1.42 G4, will have it's GUI performance in 9 blasted away to nothing soon enough (it it hasn't been already!). Saying OS 9 will always be faster is moot.

Originally posted by clebin:
This kind of thing just encourages people to get their hopes up, and then they get disappointed. Maybe it is a bit faster - if I can hack it onto my Beige 266, I'll confirm, but it's always going to be a bit slow.

Chris

Well, of course it will be slower than a G4 or G5 but what did you expect? The point is that the OS runs acceptably on weak systems now. It's an astonishing achievement and there's nothing that can detract from the fact.

[BZ]

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